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[Adugan]

Pupuppu wrote...

So we are back again at the point where software pirates get the superior product.

Not only that, if you pay for the product, you get forced to install intrusive beta software with a spyware EULA, that changes every few weeks but showed it true intend on the initial release.

You know, with a customer friendly EULA, I might had given you my data voluntarily if I had a chance to review it first. You could have just asked.

Could you please offer me as a paying customer a better product then the person who doesn't pay for it, thank you.

But if they release tyrannical DRM, delay the PC version, make the PC version a crappy console port, and insult the PC playerbase, the PC players will buy more products and pirate less!

Oh wait...

[johnhughthomas]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

For the very, very few who keep to their threats, congratulations sticking to your principles or keeping your word when make such threats and do you wish me to let you know how amazing the game is when release day comes around?

I might not be able to tell you on release day, I don't care enough about the game to be bothered about waiting. I'll tell you a week or so later when I get my pre-owned PS3 copy and all my money goes to Game, rather than EA.

Modifié par johnhughthomas, 14 janvier 2012 - 10:14 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Pupuppu wrote...

So we are back again at the point where software pirates get the superior product.

Not only that, if you pay for the product, you get forced to install intrusive beta software with a spyware EULA, that changes every few weeks but showed it true intend on the initial release.

You know, with a customer friendly EULA, I might had given you my data voluntarily if I had a chance to review it first. You could have just asked.

Could you please offer me as a paying customer a better product then the person who doesn't pay for it, thank you.

This reminds me of a Cyanide and Happiness comic about DRM but I am too much of a scaredy-cat to post it here.

[Kranchan]

Dear Bioware,

The funny thing about this is that since it is an Origin exclusive I am now more inclined to pirate it and I am sure many others feel that way. It's ok though, I wasn't expecting much out of ME3 anyway so I wasn't really looking forward to it anyway. 1 was great except for the elevators but 2's story just didn't feel as epic. In 1 the Reapers were these unstoppable Cthulian nightmares that took the combined fleets of everyone to kill just one and in two you fight one on foot.

I also like how the default avatar on these forums accurately describes my feelings about Origin.

Modifié par Kranchan, 14 janvier 2012 - 10:15 .

[Mister Mida]

Aliens Crew wrote...

I give a damn hell about Steam. And with Origin it is the same. I'll never will install neither the one nor the other on my PC. Because I don't need this kind of stuff....and I don't want it.

So I don't buy any game that requires a digital platform like Steam or Origin. Make Origin optional for the retail version of ME 3 and I'll buy it as soon as possible.  Otherwise I'll not. We all know, that DRMs like Origin are not capable to protect your games from beeing pirated. So, why you just forget this whole nosense?


Do you know the game "The Witcher 2"?

CD Projekt don't want to anger their customers with useless DRMs like Origin & co. And so I'll buy the game. It cost the same as DA:O or ME 2 but it comprised a lot of goodies beside the game. The soundtrack of the game for example. That is what I called an added value not useless gateway jails like Origin.

BioWare also do something like this...but this is so long ago.

So, you lose one paying customer. Congratulations for this big deal.

I agree.

The PC has always been the platform that was unclaimable by any company, mostly because PC's are made of hardware and software made by mulitple companies. It gave it its diversity, but now with piracy it seems that the publishers see this as an excuse to take the platform over inch by inch by making a tedious layer between the operating system and the game where we are required to ask permission to play a game, actively consolizing the PC platform. And if I wanted to play on a console, I'd go and actually play on a console.

The worst about it all is that most people will just sit and take it and future generations will just think that this kind of treatment is normal.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 14 janvier 2012 - 10:25 .

[NaastyNZL]

It's a real shame that Bioware/EA is forcing us to use Origin, then explain to us how they're providing us with the best possible experience to play Mass Effect 3. For me, the best possible experience is to allow us gamers the freedom to decide what platform we want to use (or nothing at all).

[sissysouthpaw]

casadechrisso wrote...

Liisi wrote...

Mass Effect Player wrote...

Liisi wrote...

I find it kind of amazing that only the German EULA has been updated, by the way.

Germany when it comes to law is pretty interesting. So many rules, regulation laws etc. It's little bit more complex than you could see I believe than American or Canadian. Can't Speak for the rest of the english speaking world.

I think they should extend the update to entire EU *for starters* (because yes, I happen to think that the privacy of people living in the US and Canada should be respected as well) because these privacy laws are not just a German thing, which makes the whole thing just absurd for non-Germans.

Heya Liisi, long time no see! 

As a german I can clearly answer this: Because only the german gamers created a ****storm for EA that even the mainstream media picked up. I'm quite sure the Origins EULA is against laws of other countries as well and would create the same outcry elsewhere - if people would just care. So far only german gamers cared, and as a result we're the funny Krauts again who are somewhat special when it comes to privacy. Well, as long as we succeed I couldn't care less about being called a madman. Kinda proud of the geramn community actually.  

OMG HI!  You have every right to be proud. I wish others were more like Germans on the caring front.

[flexxdk]

PDesign wrote...

Saberdark wrote...

@PDesign
That's not proof. Just because they have the right to do something doesn't mean they actually do it.

*snip*

*snip*

And would you please explain to me what I'm seeing here?

All I see is a bunch of gibberish. Anyone could make anything out of this and still be horribly wrong.

In fact, I have never ever seen any concrete proof of that Origin is spyware, except for a few unclear images which for some people is enough to yell "Witch! Witch!".
And Origin isn't the only one who does this. Google Chrome also collects information stored on your PC. And for what purpose? To display ads that might interest you (though everyone hates ads (right?)). And believe me, I hardly care.
Both Steam and Facebook do the same: collect information.

So why only complain about Origin doing this?

Either way, I'll be enjoying ME3 when it gets delivered. Don't know about the rest of you guys, but I hardly care about Origin.

Modifié par Whacka, 14 janvier 2012 - 10:46 .

[Bluth54]

Chris Priestly wrote...

However, I really do not accept the criticism that WE, BioWare and EA, are wrong for not offering it on Steam. We would like to offer it on Steam. We used to have a good relationship with Steam. The more stores and digital retailers who sell our games, the more customers can buy the games and the money we can make. We are working with digital retailers like Direct2Drive and others so we are not Origin exclusive by any means. Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

I'm sorry, but no, we should not be taking this up with Steam, EA is the one in the wrong here.

The new DLC policy is not restrictive at all. EA is still free to sell DLC anywhere else they see fit, they just need to sell it through Steam as well. It's even less restricive then Xbox Live and Playstation Network. Are you guys going to stop selling DLC through Microsoft and Sony because they're more restrictive then Steam? Are you going to stop patching 360 and PS3 games because the patches have to go through Microsoft and Sony? That's just as restricive as Steam.


EA and Bioware is absolutely in the wrong here and Valve is absolutely in the right. People should be bringing it up on this message board.

EA and Bioware will not be recieving one penny of my money until you reverse your decision. I have over 600 games on steam. It's too bad Mass Effect 3 wont be one of them

[EimiYoshikawa]

Sadly, it doesn't just come down to citizens caring.

It comes down to governments caring enough to back their citizenry up when they stand up for themselves.

Sadly, I seriously doubt that my own would do so, which stings extra hard considering that I share that government with Bioware.

[Adugan]

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

Sadly, it doesn't just come down to citizens caring.

It comes down to governments caring enough to back their citizenry up when they stand up for themselves.

Sadly, I seriously doubt that my own would do so, which stings extra hard considering that I share that government with Bioware.

Dont go there.  will lock this thread.

[Kranchan]

Mister Mida wrote...

Aliens Crew wrote...

I give a damn hell about Steam. And with Origin it is the same. I'll never will install neither the one nor the other on my PC. Because I don't need this kind of stuff....and I don't want it.

So I don't buy any game that requires a digital platform like Steam or Origin. Make Origin optional for the retail version of ME 3 and I'll buy it as soon as possible.  Otherwise I'll not. We all know, that DRMs like Origin are not capable to protect your games from beeing pirated. So, why you just forget this whole nosense?


Do you know the game "The Witcher 2"?

CD Projekt don't want to anger their customers with useless DRMs like Origin & co. And so I'll buy the game. It cost the same as DA:O or ME 2 but it comprised a lot of goodies beside the game. The soundtrack of the game for example. That is what I called an added value not useless gateway jails like Origin.

BioWare also do something like this...but this is so long ago.

So, you lose one paying customer. Congratulations for this big deal.

I agree.

The PC has always been the platform that was unclaimable by any company, mostly because PC's are made of hardware and software made by mulitple companies. It gave it its diversity, but now with piracy it seems that the publishers see this as an excuse to take the platform over inch by inch by making a tedious layer between the operating system and the game where we are required to ask permission to play a game, actively consolizing the PC platform.

The worst about it all is that most people will just sit in take and future generations will just think that this kind of treatment is normal.

I like how companies cry piracy and yet everyone I know buys the vast majority of their games, only pirating things that have restrictive DRM or to try before they buy since the demo has mostly died off. http://www.steamcalc...com/id/Kranchan

Also this.

[EimiYoshikawa]

Adugan wrote...

EimiYoshikawa wrote...

Sadly, it doesn't just come down to citizens caring.

It comes down to governments caring enough to back their citizenry up when they stand up for themselves.

Sadly, I seriously doubt that my own would do so, which stings extra hard considering that I share that government with Bioware.

Dont go there.  will lock this thread.

I wasn't suggesting any particular corruption on Bioware's part, merely alluding to the fact that I'm Canadian.

[jklinders]

Sorry guys. I love your product but forcing me to use a service I don't trust is a deal breaker for me. My one experience with EA's e-store resulted in a dispute over a refund because they failed to deliver as promised on the pre-order of ME 1. Maybe if someone tells me Origin is great. Sure fine but I've got three perfectly good working gaming clients on my machine now. EA can use one of those or pound sand. There is no need to make this crap so convoluted for the end user. This whole thing is because EA is cranky about Steam. They should hash it out with each other instead of taking out on the rest of us.

It'll go into the bargain bin sooner or later. At that time it will be worth it to me to risk using a new service of a publisher that has shown itself to be untrustworthy to me in the past.

[Adugan]

Kranchan wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Aliens Crew wrote...

I give a damn hell about Steam. And with Origin it is the same. I'll never will install neither the one nor the other on my PC. Because I don't need this kind of stuff....and I don't want it.

So I don't buy any game that requires a digital platform like Steam or Origin. Make Origin optional for the retail version of ME 3 and I'll buy it as soon as possible.  Otherwise I'll not. We all know, that DRMs like Origin are not capable to protect your games from beeing pirated. So, why you just forget this whole nosense?


Do you know the game "The Witcher 2"?

CD Projekt don't want to anger their customers with useless DRMs like Origin & co. And so I'll buy the game. It cost the same as DA:O or ME 2 but it comprised a lot of goodies beside the game. The soundtrack of the game for example. That is what I called an added value not useless gateway jails like Origin.

BioWare also do something like this...but this is so long ago.

So, you lose one paying customer. Congratulations for this big deal.

I agree.

The PC has always been the platform that was unclaimable by any company, mostly because PC's are made of hardware and software made by mulitple companies. It gave it its diversity, but now with piracy it seems that the publishers see this as an excuse to take the platform over inch by inch by making a tedious layer between the operating system and the game where we are required to ask permission to play a game, actively consolizing the PC platform.

The worst about it all is that most people will just sit in take and future generations will just think that this kind of treatment is normal.

I like how companies cry piracy and yet everyone I know buys the vast majority of their games, only pirating things that have restrictive DRM or to try before they buy since the demo has mostly died off. http://www.steamcalc...com/id/Kranchan

Also this.

Namco isnt as far gone as EA is. They still have some hardcore gamer higher-ups, like the people who grew up on arcade games in the 80s. EA is pretty much all mathematicians cranking out statistics on market saturation and businessmen and marketers thinking of ways to sell you things and squeeze the most out of every customer.

[mcneil_1]

Its a bit weird how the game is Origin exclusive and yet places like D2D, Impluse and I think gamers gate can sell it. Doesnt that sort of defeat the purpose of being Origin exclusive

Modifié par mcneil_1, 14 janvier 2012 - 10:42 .

[Mister Mida]

mcneil_1 wrote...

Its a bit weird how the game is Origin exclusive and yet places like D2D, Impluse and I think gamers gate can sell it, doesnt that sort of defeat the purpose of being Origin exclusive?

It's pretty much the same as putting SteamWorks on your game. But you're right.

[elitecom]

Mister Mida wrote...
I agree.

The PC has always been the platform that was unclaimable by any company, mostly because PC's are made of hardware and software made by mulitple companies. It gave it its diversity, but now with piracy it seems that the publishers see this as an excuse to take the platform over inch by inch by making a tedious layer between the operating system and the game where we are required to ask permission to play a game, actively consolizing the PC platform. And if I wanted to play on a console, I'd go and actually play on a console.

The worst about it all is that most people will just sit and take it and future generations will just think that this kind of treatment is normal.

True, but it's not so much because of piracy, that's just an excuse. Just take Crysis as an example. Crytek said that they were disatisfied with the amount Crysis was pirated and that was one of their reasons for focusing on consoles. However Crysis&Warhead sold together 4.5 million copies, which is incredibly good for a platform exclusive game. Piracy is nothing but an excuse for developers and publishers these days.

Also the passiveness of many is a recurring problem too.

[Pupuppu]

mcneil_1 wrote...

Its a bit weird how the game is Origin exclusive and yet places like D2D, Impluse and I think gamers gate can sell it, doesnt that sort of defeat the purpose of being Origin exclusive?

What do these shops sell in essence, a game key that activates on a different shop (Origin) and when they allow the download, they also let you download their competitors shopping application. They are actually driving their customers to the competition.

[CroGamer002]

NaastyNZL wrote...

It's a real shame that Bioware/EA is forcing us to use Origin, then explain to us how they're providing us with the best possible experience to play Mass Effect 3. For me, the best possible experience is to allow us gamers the freedom to decide what platform we want to use (or nothing at all).

You ain't forced to play ME3 on PC.

You can play it on XBOX360 and PS3.

[Mister Mida]

elitecom wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...
I agree.

The PC has always been the platform that was unclaimable by any company, mostly because PC's are made of hardware and software made by mulitple companies. It gave it its diversity, but now with piracy it seems that the publishers see this as an excuse to take the platform over inch by inch by making a tedious layer between the operating system and the game where we are required to ask permission to play a game, actively consolizing the PC platform. And if I wanted to play on a console, I'd go and actually play on a console.

The worst about it all is that most people will just sit and take it and future generations will just think that this kind of treatment is normal.

True, but it's not so much because of piracy, that's just an excuse. Just take Crysis as an example. Crytek said that they were disatisfied with the amount Crysis was pirated and that was one of their reasons for focusing on consoles. However Crysis&Warhead sold together 4.5 million copies, which is incredibly good for a platform exclusive game. Piracy is nothing but an excuse for developers and publishers these days.

Also the passiveness of many is a recurring problem too.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I was pretty much trying to say what you just said; piracy is just the excuse to take over the platform.

[Adugan]

 What companies dont realize is that piracy on PS3, 360 and even DS is easy and becoming more common. PC is just a punching bag now.

[Pupuppu]

Mesina2 wrote...

You can play it on XBOX360 and PS3.

Please tell me how to import my PC saves into the PS3 and this may be an option.

[elitecom]

Mister Mida wrote...

elitecom wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...
I agree.

The PC has always been the platform that was unclaimable by any company, mostly because PC's are made of hardware and software made by mulitple companies. It gave it its diversity, but now with piracy it seems that the publishers see this as an excuse to take the platform over inch by inch by making a tedious layer between the operating system and the game where we are required to ask permission to play a game, actively consolizing the PC platform. And if I wanted to play on a console, I'd go and actually play on a console.

The worst about it all is that most people will just sit and take it and future generations will just think that this kind of treatment is normal.

True, but it's not so much because of piracy, that's just an excuse. Just take Crysis as an example. Crytek said that they were disatisfied with the amount Crysis was pirated and that was one of their reasons for focusing on consoles. However Crysis&Warhead sold together 4.5 million copies, which is incredibly good for a platform exclusive game. Piracy is nothing but an excuse for developers and publishers these days.

Also the passiveness of many is a recurring problem too.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I was pretty much trying to say what you just said; piracy is just the excuse to take over the platform.

No you did, sorry about that, I somehow missed the excuse part.

[Kranchan]

Mesina2 wrote...

NaastyNZL wrote...

It's a real shame that Bioware/EA is forcing us to use Origin, then explain to us how they're providing us with the best possible experience to play Mass Effect 3. For me, the best possible experience is to allow us gamers the freedom to decide what platform we want to use (or nothing at all).

You ain't forced to play ME3 on PC.

You can play it on XBOX360 and PS3.

Yea and many people who play on PC refuse to play on console box because they are inferior platforms.