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[Aargh12]

Adugan wrote...

 What companies dont realize is that piracy on PS3, 360 and even DS is easy and becoming more common. PC is just a punching bag now.

Ya sure?
http://torrentfreak....of-2011-111230/

Piracy on consoles exist, no one denies it, but PC piracy is completely different scale.

Modifié par Aargh12, 14 janvier 2012 - 10:58 .

[Adanu]

Mesina2 wrote...

NaastyNZL wrote...

It's a real shame that Bioware/EA is forcing us to use Origin, then explain to us how they're providing us with the best possible experience to play Mass Effect 3. For me, the best possible experience is to allow us gamers the freedom to decide what platform we want to use (or nothing at all).

You ain't forced to play ME3 on PC.

You can play it on XBOX360 and PS3.

I don't buy shooters on consoles.

[Fredvdp]

Aargh12 wrote...

Adugan wrote...

 What companies dont realize is that piracy on PS3, 360 and even DS is easy and becoming more common. PC is just a punching bag now.

Ya sure?
http://torrentfreak....of-2011-111230/

Piracy on console exist, no one denies it, but PC piracy is another scale.

But if you look at PC you see demanding games like Crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 so it's possible these get downloaded by people who want to see if they can run it. If you look at the Xbox 360 Crysis 2 isn't even on that list. On consoles everyone can run it so they don't feel the need to do this.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:01 .

[hangmans tree]

[edited...]

Modifié par hangmans tree, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:21 .

[Darth_Trethon]

This is all pointless legal talk.....Origin will do what it does and by accepting the EULA you agree to it.....therefore not spyware....technically speaking. And origin does not collect data....it makes windows collect it for it.....and you can opt out of having your Mass Effect 3 data scanned but not all the other non-ME3 related data.

Loopholes and workarounds yet the EULA states you allow EA to gather all the info it pleases about you and make a profile of you....prior to the German scandal it also used to say they could give(read: sell) that data to whoever they pleased.

Many will fall for these reassuring answers and there's nothing I or anybody else can say to prevent them from reading and seeing the things they wish to see and hear....I cannot begin to express how much this saddens me.

Origin's functions have not changed....it still does the things that outraged and still outrage many. it's just that the legal talk that makes it all sound ok has gotten significantly better.

[abaris]

Whacka wrote...

And Origin isn't the only one who does this. Google Chrome also collects information stored on your PC.

Well, there's a reason why I don't use Google chrome, yahoo toolbar or all the other little spies.

Don't assume that people who are against things like Origins run into every other wayward web trap. My privacy, or what governmental agencies have left of it, is very important for me. And working in the corporate word for well over two decades I know fully well that gimmicks aren't handed out for free. There's always some caveat included and you better steer well clear if you want to keep a low profile.

As far as ME3 is concerned, I'm waiting for some conclusive experience reports if the opt-out option really works out.

[CroGamer002]

Adanu wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

NaastyNZL wrote...

It's a real shame that Bioware/EA is forcing us to use Origin, then explain to us how they're providing us with the best possible experience to play Mass Effect 3. For me, the best possible experience is to allow us gamers the freedom to decide what platform we want to use (or nothing at all).

You ain't forced to play ME3 on PC.

You can play it on XBOX360 and PS3.

I don't buy shooters on consoles.

Your damn problem then.


I do agree shooters are far superior on PC then on consoles, but that's because some publisher or developer forced me on that conclusion.

[elitecom]

I really don't understand these "X and Y already collects information, they're no different than Origin" arguments. Yes so what if X and Y do so? That doesn't mean we need another one on the market or that it justifies more software that scans one's computer.

Modifié par elitecom, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:03 .

[CroGamer002]

Pupuppu wrote...

Please tell me how to import my PC saves into the PS3 and this may be an option.

There is a converter to change PC save files to XBOX 360 save files and vice versa.

Not sure why that didn't happen for PS3.

[Kronner]

Aargh12 wrote...

Adugan wrote...

 What companies dont realize is that piracy on PS3, 360 and even DS is easy and becoming more common. PC is just a punching bag now.

Ya sure?
http://torrentfreak....of-2011-111230/

Piracy on consoles exist, no one denies it, but PC piracy is completely different scale.

LOL @ torrent stats. That is a mere drop in the pirate sea.

[Darth_Trethon]

Mesina2 wrote...

Pupuppu wrote...

Please tell me how to import my PC saves into the PS3 and this may be an option.

There is a converter to change PC save files to XBOX 360 save files and vice versa.

Not sure why that didn't happen for PS3.

PS3 saves CANNOT be touched or modded, Xbox360 saves CAN be modded as much as PC saves...this also means that PC saves can be turned into 360 saves and vice versa but NOT into PS3 saves.

[CroGamer002]

elitecom wrote...

I really don't understand these "X and Y already collects information, they're no different than Origin" arguments. Yes so what if X and Y do so? That doesn't mean we need another one on the market or that it justifies more software that scans one's computer.

The thing is that many people use those X and Y, but don't mind it.
But with Origin it's a no-go.

Just pointing hypocrisy to those people.


Others who also hate that with X and Y are actually legit with their complaints.

[string3r]

Looks like it's up to pirates to save the say.

[CroGamer002]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

PS3 saves CANNOT be touched or modded, Xbox360 saves CAN be modded as much as PC saves...this also means that PC saves can be turned into 360 saves and vice versa but NOT into PS3 saves.

Ah, didn't know that.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Adugan]

Mesina2 wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

PS3 saves CANNOT be touched or modded, Xbox360 saves CAN be modded as much as PC saves...this also means that PC saves can be turned into 360 saves and vice versa but NOT into PS3 saves.

Ah, didn't know that.

Thanks for clarifying.

Mess around with Gibbed's save editor. It can turn XB>PC and PC>XB as well as modify plot flags. 

[elitecom]

Mesina2 wrote...

elitecom wrote...

I really don't understand these "X and Y already collects information, they're no different than Origin" arguments. Yes so what if X and Y do so? That doesn't mean we need another one on the market or that it justifies more software that scans one's computer.

The thing is that many people use those X and Y, but don't mind it.
But with Origin it's a no-go.

Just pointing hypocrisy to those people.


Others who also hate that with X and Y are actually legit with their complaints.

I can see that being a valid argument if you use such software, but if you don't then it still stands. Also do we really need another piece of software to scan your computer? This isn't a rehash of my previous argument, but if you already have so much of these kinds of software that scans your computer, do you really need more to add to the pile? It should stop somewhere. 

Also I must point out one big difference between Steam and Origin which seems to be a popular issue of debate regarding this Origin matter, Steam has a drop out function, Origin doesn't. I've no control of whether I want to participate in EA's "software/hardware" research. At least Steam gives me some control as a consumer to choose.  

[Candidate 88766]

Whacka wrote...

PDesign wrote...

Saberdark wrote...

@PDesign
That's not proof. Just because they have the right to do something doesn't mean they actually do it.

*snip*

*snip*

And would you please explain to me what I'm seeing here?

All I see is a bunch of gibberish. Anyone could make anything out of this and still be horribly wrong.

In fact, I have never ever seen any concrete proof of that Origin is spyware, except for a few unclear images which for some people is enough to yell "Witch! Witch!".
And Origin isn't the only one who does this. Google Chrome also collects information stored on your PC. And for what purpose? To display ads that might interest you (though everyone hates ads (right?)). And believe me, I hardly care.
Both Steam and Facebook do the same: collect information.

So why only complain about Origin doing this?

Either way, I'll be enjoying ME3 when it gets delivered. Don't know about the rest of you guys, but I hardly care about Origin.

I'm gonna be honest, I don't know enough about computers to know what was going on in the screenshots and how that counts as absolute proof that Origin can look through your files and actually collect data from your PC.

I don't want to start an argument, but people here are constantly saying that it is spyware but its occurred to me that I've never actually seen real proof of this. Hell, one of the screenshots in his thread seemed to show Origin constantly looking in its own directory and nothing else. I'm not calling anyone a liar, but if there is real evidence that Origin is really spyware and can actually like look through your files and stuff then it really should be posted here. I'm a console gamer, but I've seen enough PC gamers in this thread asking what Origin is and they deserve proof that Origin is as bad as some are saying it is.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:20 .

[abaris]

The PLC wrote...

Good thing I'm getting the 360 version : - )

Though, I really don't see the need for these pieces of software like Origin, to be able to play a game you're already paid for. Seems weird. Like EA doesn't trust their customers.

Well, don't get me wrong. Demanding online ACTIVATION is legit in my opinion. Windows is doing it too although even Microsoft trusts their customers enough to include a phone option.

It's all the other things that client does which are a no go for me.

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I don't want to start an
argument, but people here are constantly saying that it is spyware but
its occurred to me that I've never actually seen real proof of this.

The proof is in their EULA. They openly admit to collect data about your hardware, software and games.

Modifié par abaris, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:23 .

[hangmans tree]

edited:
HEY CHRIS!
I want to know about EA local branches. (Poland here). With every
ME game, and EA game I got or wanted to get tbh, we've had major
problems. But lets focus on ME as its of great importance for me and I
dont give a pot of warm ****** about the rest. How will Origin act in
situations like tampering with ini files, executables, registry keys an
so on? In order to play ME2 in english or install LOTSB I had to tamper
with those (well I could BUY it but I couldnt have played it unless I
changed game language).
I want to know coz like I said EA always
manages to botch things up on their end when it comes to regionalisation
and the like. Will Origin affect my attempts to change some
files/registry?

As a side note I dont giva a damn bout steam
although I have one - I had to get it to play some game in the distant
past when I was uninformed what steam really is and what it does (now
I feel the same about Origin), and I dont understand the outrage ME3 not
being available by steam.

I reconsidered and I'm giving this a
chance (small one) - I'll follow the updates on the subject and see
where it goes from there.

I want to be clear on the matter: can I
install the Origin and have non of its processess contact/send
info-data? If I was to buy ME3 I want Origin dead on my PC with one
resuscitation attempt to authenticate my game copy and thats it. Can you
honestly answer is that possible or not?

Thanks.

[Adugan]

hangmans tree wrote...

edited:
HEY CHRIS!
I want to know about EA local branches. (Poland here). With every
ME game, and EA game I got or wanted to get tbh, we've had major
problems. But lets focus on ME as its of great importance for me and I
dont give a pot of warm ****** about the rest. How will Origin act in
situations like tampering with ini files, executables, registry keys an
so on? In order to play ME2 in english or install LOTSB I had to tamper
with those (well I could BUY it but I couldnt have played it unless I
changed game language).
I want to know coz like I said EA always
manages to botch things up on their end when it comes to regionalisation
and the like. Will Origin affect my attempts to change some
files/registry?

As a side note I dont giva a damn bout steam
although I have one - I had to get it to play some game in the distant
past when I was uninformed what steam really is and what it does (now
I feel the same about Origin), and I dont understand the outrage ME3 not
being available by steam.

I reconsidered and I'm giving this a
chance (small one) - I'll follow the updates on the subject and see
where it goes from there.

I want to be clear on the matter: can I
install the Origin and have non of its processess contact/send
info-data? If I was to buy ME3 I want Origin dead on my PC with one
resuscitation attempt to authenticate my game copy and thats it. Can you
honestly answer is that possible or not?

Thanks.

Lol, there are ways to kill Origin or prevent it from scanning your PC, but the mods label those as copyright circumvention.

[Adanu]

Mesina2 wrote...

elitecom wrote...

I really don't understand these "X and Y already collects information, they're no different than Origin" arguments. Yes so what if X and Y do so? That doesn't mean we need another one on the market or that it justifies more software that scans one's computer.

The thing is that many people use those X and Y, but don't mind it.
But with Origin it's a no-go.

Just pointing hypocrisy to those people.


Others who also hate that with X and Y are actually legit with their complaints.

Learn the platforms and what they do before you talk. Right now, you're showing your ignorance.

Steam only collects hardware information and only if you *OPT IN*.

Origin scans a good portion if not all of your computer including private information and does not give you a choice at all.

If you can't figure out why Origin is much worse than Steam, you're hopeless.

[MassStorm]

LOL bought my Mass Effect CE for PC with DD on Origin so it is not a big deal to me...and anyway i always knew it ended up like this so might anticipate the change

[Gamerpru]

1) Will Origin be a requirement to play all versions of Mass Effect 3? (Digital and/or from a retail brick and mortar store)
Yes, Origin is required for all PC editions of Mass Effect 3, physical or digital.

HAHAHA, idiots. Dont you know this is no way to handle your customers. Why force them to use a piece of **** application? I dislike Origin. Its a beta piece of crap software, that scan your computer for stuff it should not scan for. What kind of idiot decided to develop this at EA corp?

But thanks for this info. You just gave me a reason not to spend money on mass effect 3. I see no other options to play it without haveing to use origin.

I honestly hope EA will continue this and put all their games on origin and nowhere else! This will save me lots of money from now on.

[Gamerpru]

string3r wrote...

Looks like it's up to pirates to save the say.

dont worry about that. They will have this game uploaded even before its releaseday. Quick playthrough and delete it again. Then I'll spend my money on Max Payne 3. Thank god Rockstar is not owend by EA and only availbe via origin