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[Candidate 88766]

abaris wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I don't want to start an
argument, but people here are constantly saying that it is spyware but
its occurred to me that I've never actually seen real proof of this.

The proof is in their EULA. They openly admit to collect data about your hardware, software and games.

But what data? 

People say it can go through their files and collect data form documents and such, but there is no evidence for that.

Lots of programs collect data from PC's. What is it about Origin's data collection that makes it so much worse than anything else? I'm not saying what Origin does is right - I strongly disagree with the lack of opt-out clause and the fact they could originally give data to third parties (which they can't any more) - but I'm just trying to find out why there is so much uproar about it.

[Pixieking]

MassStorm wrote...

Steamfanboys here are annoying.what is the problem if ME physical copies for PC require Origin? Even Steam forces his installation on physical copies of their games, so why EA should do differently? I wanted to play Skyrim and Deus Ex but didn't because Steam was forced upon me but i did not go on Steam forum whining and encouraging piracy.

"Steam's policies are pro-consumer. Steam's policies ensure that DLC is offered by the same digital distributors that sell the core game, thus ensuring every consumer has the chance to buy and play the DLC.

EA's stance is that there shall be no other distributor of Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC. This is anti-consumer. I should not taking EA's anti-consumer stance to Steam. I should be voting with my wallet re: buying EA games and complaining to EA, both directly and indirectly (here).

If EA truly wanted to ensure the best experience for the  consumer, they would allow their DLC to be sold elsewhere. They don't.  They want to keep all the money for themselves.

That is where Steam's policies conflict with EAs."

This is why I'm pro-Steam. Give me the chance to buy DLC from elsewhere, and I won't be anti-Origin.

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:05 .

[Gamerpru]

MassStorm wrote...

Steamfanboys here are annoying.what is the problem if ME physical copies for PC require Origin? Even Steam forces his installation on physical copies of their games, so why EA should do differently? I wanted to play Skyrim and Deus Ex but didn't because Steam was forced upon me but i did not go on Steam forum whining and encouraging piracy.

I'm no steamfanboy, I just made a choose years ago and now I got a good digital platform full of stuff.
And Origin is annoying to and does things it should not even do compaired to Steam. Furthermore, Steam has been on the market for years already, god how long has it been. Many people got a big list of games, friends, communitygroups and more. And then here comes EA at a very bad timing with their beta crap software called origin, that scan your pc for stuff it should never even be programmed to scan. I don't encourage piracy, but I have no other choose do I ?

Modifié par Gamerpru, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:09 .

[Pupuppu]

MassStorm wrote...

Steamfanboys here are annoying.what is the problem if ME physical copies for PC require Origin? Even Steam forces his installation on physical copies of their games, so why EA should do differently? I wanted to play Skyrim and Deus Ex but didn't because Steam was forced upon me but i did not go on Steam forum whining and encouraging piracy.

Rightfully as you should have complained to Bethesda or Eidos in this case. But comparing Steam to Origin is a sad analogy.

[Gamerpru]

Emoking wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Steamfanboys here are annoying.what is the problem if ME physical copies for PC require Origin? Even Steam forces his installation on physical copies of their games, so why EA should do differently? I wanted to play Skyrim and Deus Ex but didn't because Steam was forced upon me but i did not go on Steam forum whining and encouraging piracy.

"Steam's policies are pro-consumer. Steam's policies ensure that DLC is offered by the same digital distributors that sell the core game, thus ensuring every consumer has the chance to buy and play the DLC.

EA's stance is that there shall be no other distributor of Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC. This is anti-consumer. I should not taking EA's anti-consumer stance to Steam. I should be voting with my wallet re: buying EA games and complaining to EA, both directly and indirectly (here).

If EA truly wanted to ensure the best experience for the  consumer, they would allow their DLC to be sold elsewhere. They don't.  They want to keep all the money for themselves.

That is where Steam's policies conflict with EAs."

This is why I'm pro-Steam. Give me the chance to buy DLC from elsewhere, and I won't be anti-Origin.

SPOT ON!!!

If they should change it in time I'll be happy to buy games again that has the EA logo on the box, no biggie at all!!

[k177sh0t]

8) Is there a double-opt in for Mass Effect 3 marketing emails for German residents?
[/b]Yes, we always adhere to the German requirement of a double opt-in standard for marketing emails.  Mass Effect 3 users must opt-in twice to receive these emails.

Is this exclusive to Germans only?

[Wardka]

Morning, guys. Hi, Emoking. Slept well?

Anyway, I see this thread has grown to 36 pages while I was asleep. I actually read all of it, too. And I see Chris returned to tell us why Valve is bad, which is pretty much proof he's just running EA's errands on this one, which is of course what we knew all along.

We'll see if the word spreads about this. I'm kind of glad that the response here has been so overwhelming though, it's clear that this is something a fair amount of people care strongly about.

[abaris]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

But what data?

Does it matter?

I go to great lengths not to admit any program collecting data into my computer. I don't care what they are collecting or how they are anonymising that data. My rig isn't their business in any case.

[fchopin]

Aaleel wrote...

All I want to know is if you can uninstall Origin after you authenticate your game and still play single player. I have no interest in multiplayer so that is not a concern.

Have we had an answer to this question yet? 

I am not interested in multiplayer or DLC's.

[Techlology]

Is it wrong for me to feel glad that BioWare at least hasn't gone completely insane and forced us to launch ME3 from a poorly disguised Facebook clone on [insert web browser of choice]?

/knockonwood

[Pixieking]

Wardka wrote...

Morning, guys. Hi, Emoking. Slept well?

Yeah, not too bad thanks... How's you? 

Anyway, I see this thread has grown to 36 pages while I was asleep. I actually read all of it, too. And I see Chris returned to tell us why Valve is bad, which is pretty much proof he's just running EA's errands on this one, which is of course what we knew all along.

Yup. I get he's paid by EA, but, still...

We'll see if the word spreads about this. I'm kind of glad that the response here has been so overwhelming though, it's clear that this is something a fair amount of people care strongly about.

Well, it's the weekend, so all the "proper" gaming sites are on a break til Monday. But I'm hopeful that this'll carry into the wider media.

[Gamerpru]

fchopin wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

All I want to know is if you can uninstall Origin after you authenticate your game and still play single player. I have no interest in multiplayer so that is not a concern.

Have we had an answer to this question yet? 

I am not interested in multiplayer or DLC's.

trust me m8, same **** as with BF3. Even if you should go to the folder and double click the extension, then FIRST origin will boot and then you will have to click on ME single player icon or something like that. I asked this before. 

[Weskerr]

20thCenturyGhost wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
And what about the reports that Origin "reviews the filenames" of the contents of the rest of one's hard drive, not just the ProgramData/Origin folder?

Please provide an example of these reports, other than just rumor and hearsay, and I will investigate them with our Origin team. They may just be rumors, but I will investigate if you have a valid source.

Well, I guess we at least owe you some thanks for getting us the information, so thanks. 

That done, lets get quite a bit more candid, and I'm not directing this at Chris, but at Bio/EA:

It's a really sleazy and transparent move that you would withhold this until a Friday afternoon, knowing that it would minimize publicity. If you are so proud of Origin and satisfied that no reasonable person could possibly see it as anything but a boon, why didn't you dedicate your Thursday video to a grand announcement extolling it's virtues? If you're so proud of this why not at least a press release?

You are fooling no one.

Moreover, you are degrading yourselves. Is it worth it? Really?

It's interesting how Casey Hudson has withdrawn from publicizing the game. He seems sullen and demoralized like he's simply going through the motions in the rare bit of publicity he participates in recently. He's all but vanished from twitter, too. Oh, yes, Casey's too busy finishing the game, blah, blah. B.S.

When he quits shortly after ME3 ships, what will you be saying?

When Christina Norman quit I started to wonder if there wasn't a problem. Now it's pretty damn obvious for everyone to see that there is a very big problem.

Anyway, proving that Origin is spyware is not our responsibility. If you seriously expect anyone to believe your claims that it isn't, then I'm sure you won't mind submitting the software to an independent investigation. Let Avira, Kaspersky or someone of comparable stature independently verify that claim. Since you have such confidence in the unobtrusive nature of the Origin client I'm sure you will get right on that, right?

Bravo.

[Gamerpru]

Wardka wrote...

And I see Chris returned to tell us why Valve is bad, which is pretty much proof he's just running EA's errands on this one, which is of course what we knew all along.

Bioware is owned by EA, so they basically pay his salary ever month. He's just a robot that tells what the big boys at EA corp have decided. Especially seening the turnover they made from the moment Origin has been release. Every thing is going to be exactly like BF3 for both offline play and online play.

[Customz]

Please stop talks of torrenting as the thread might get closed. People complaining it's not on steam: EA has all the rights to keep ME3 from steam if they feel like it. If it's because of the no exclusive dlc thing, I agree with what steam is doing. But EA has the right to not sell dlc anywhere else.

If you want you can circumvent the drm yourself after you buy the game and thus get rid of origin requirement. In some places this is legal. You can also try using sandboxing to keep origin from accessing your files. But all of these won't change the fact that EA will get your money and thus origin as it is now will remain in use, specially after this: www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39623/EA_reorganizes_after_a_landmark_1B_digital_year.php

Modifié par Customz, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:26 .

[Candidate 88766]

abaris wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

But what data?

Does it matter?

I go to great lengths not to admit any program collecting data into my computer. I don't care what they are collecting or how they are anonymising that data. My rig isn't their business in any case.

Most things seem to collect data of some kind. Facebook, Amazon, Chrome (or any broswer for that matter), Google, iTunes, Steam, the list goes on.

Its just that people don't complain about those, but Origin is 'spyware' so there must be some difference in the data collected. Its not as though its going through your documents collecting credit card numbers or tax details, so there must be a reason people have got so worked up about it. 

[Aliens Crew]

Emoking wrote...

(Bolding because I don't want this lost in the mass)

Steam's policies are pro-consumer. Steam's policies ensure that DLC is offered by the same digital distributors that sell the core game, thus ensuring every consumer has the chance to buy and play the DLC.

EA's stance is that there shall be no other distributor of Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC. This is anti-consumer. I should not taking EA's anti-consumer stance to Steam. I should be voting with my wallet re: buying EA games and complaining to EA, both directly and indirectly (here).

If EA truly wanted to ensure the best experience for the consumer, they would allow their DLC to be sold elsewhere. They don't. They want to keep all the money for themselves.

That is where Steam's policies conflict with EAs.

Also, it would be nice if EA's marketing came up with something that wasn't so obviously and painfully false.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Steam's politic is not pro-consumer. It is pro-Valve. And that's all.

Why did Steam exists?

Because Valve want to cut off the market for second hand games. Because Valve want to force their customers under their knout. And the big deal is...Valve want to maximizes their profit. (50 % per game is not a bad quote I think.)

And Origin is the same junk in green.

And I bet every amount on earth...if Steam would not exist or has become a big crashdown for Valve, Origin would never have been programmend as well.

[Gamerpru]

Customz wrote...

Please stop talks of torrenting as the thread might get closed. People complaining it's not on steam: EA has all the rights to keep ME3 from steam if they feel like it. If it's because of the no exclusive dlc thing, I agree with what steam is doing. But EA has the right to not sell dlc anywhere else.

If you want you can circumvent the drm yourself after you buy the game and thus get rid of origin requirement. In some places this is legal. You can also try using sandboxing to keep origin from accessing your files. But all of these won't change the fact that EA will get your money and thus origin as it is now will remain in use, specially after this: www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39623/EA_reorganizes_after_a_landmark_1B_digital_year.php

LOL, you sound like a donkey dude. Here you are telling us to do all short of tweaking so that origin cant do what it is meant to do. Don't you see how stupid that sounds? How can EA get my money if I download this game, because they decide to make it origin exclusive, how in the hell are they going to get my money? If you read between the lines, then you will read that nobody wants origin gonna. Just dont force the exclusive part down our throats!! And furthermore, I;m not torrenting it, I use darknet and usenet.

Modifié par Gamerpru, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:31 .

[Pixieking]

Aliens Crew wrote...

Emoking wrote...

(Bolding because I don't want this lost in the mass)

Steam's policies are pro-consumer. Steam's policies ensure that DLC is offered by the same digital distributors that sell the core game, thus ensuring every consumer has the chance to buy and play the DLC.

EA's stance is that there shall be no other distributor of Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC. This is anti-consumer. I should not taking EA's anti-consumer stance to Steam. I should be voting with my wallet re: buying EA games and complaining to EA, both directly and indirectly (here).

If EA truly wanted to ensure the best experience for the consumer, they would allow their DLC to be sold elsewhere. They don't. They want to keep all the money for themselves.

That is where Steam's policies conflict with EAs.

Also, it would be nice if EA's marketing came up with something that wasn't so obviously and painfully false.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Steam's politic is not pro-consumer. It is pro-Valve. And that's all.

Okay... So, there's somewhere else that sells DLC from EA?

I'll re-phrase:

In the case of selling DLC, Steam is pro-consumer.

And, if you think Origin and Steam are both the same, then fair fair. But the PR that EA is spinning is clearly wrong.

[Boomer-Australia]

Wardka wrote...

And I see Chris returned to tell us why Valve is bad, which is pretty much proof he's just running EA's errands on this one, which is of course what we knew all along.

He is but a puppet in EA's  war on valve (guess whose losing) 

Modifié par Boomer-Australia, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:32 .

[abaris]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Most things seem to collect data of some kind. Facebook, Amazon, Chrome (or any broswer for that matter), Google, iTunes, Steam, the list goes on.

If you're naive enough to use google chrome or facebook (using your real name and details) or personalise google. In fact I don't do any of these things, since it's none of their business who I am, what I do and what I might or might not like.

I'm not guilty of any of the above mentioned.

It's bad enough you can't escape the IP scanning, leading to a sh..storm of localised ads in your browser. I don't need to give any company additional data to figure me out.

[jklinders]

MassStorm wrote...

Steamfanboys here are annoying.what is the problem if ME physical copies for PC require Origin? Even Steam forces his installation on physical copies of their games, so why EA should do differently? I wanted to play Skyrim and Deus Ex but didn't because Steam was forced upon me but i did not go on Steam forum whining and encouraging piracy.

Excellent point. A lot of devs use Steam as their DRM. A lot of folks don't like that. I get that.


My concern is the whole EA/Steam dispute is centered around DRM. EA wants sole control of selling DRM through their rather clunky and weird system of management which frankly doesn't work all that well and forces people to buy "points" to purchase them rather than use currency. I still have leftover points from my last DLC purchase which amounts to wasted money as far as I am concerned. Maybe if we used good old fashioned currency instead of this bollocks points system I would not find buy DLC from them so egregious. But the current set up is so anti consumer I can't help but take Steam's side in this.

Steam wants a piece of the pie. Rather than share EA is taking their ball and going home. Maybe they should try talking about this again. Both will be losers in this but EA will lose more than Steam

[Pixieking]

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Wardka wrote...

And I see Chris returned to tell us why Valve is bad, which is pretty much proof he's just running EA's errands on this one, which is of course what we knew all along.

He is but a puppet in EA's  war on valve (guess whose losing) 

Ummm... Valve?

Oh, no, wait... ( http://www.techpower...eous-Users.html )