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[MassStorm]

Aliens Crew wrote...


Sorry, but you are wrong.

Steam's politic is not pro-consumer. It is pro-Valve. And that's all.

Why did Steam exists?

Because Valve want to cut off the market for second hand games. Because Valve want to force their customers under their knout. And the big deal is...Valve want to maximizes their profit. (50 % per game is not a bad quote I think.)

And Origin is the same junk in green.

And I bet every amount on earth...if Steam would not exist or has become a big crashdown for Valve, Origin would never have been programmend as well.

Finally someone that tell the truth

Modifié par MassStorm, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:36 .

[Fredvdp]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

twisty77 wrote...Thank God I have an Xbox 360.

May we all take a moment to thank whatever deity we happen to believe in for the existence of the 360 where even PC gamers exiled by Origin can transfer their saves to and continue playing as if nothing had changed. I absolutely do not believe BioWare should be punished for EA's mistakes but the PC version of any game requiring Origin must NOT be considered a commercial success so I am buying two N7 CEs for the 360.

While Origin is definitely annoying I don't think it's worth that much of a downgrade. The Xbox 360 operating system is in my opinion more annoying than Origin. When i want to play on my brother's Xbosx 360 I have to first log him out, log me in and then endure pretty long load times. At least on PC you only have to log in on the Origin application once.

[Wardka]

Emoking wrote...
Yeah, not too bad thanks... How's you?

Not bad, not bad. Feeling somewhat encouraged by the outcry against Origin.

Well, it's the weekend, so all the "proper" gaming sites are on a break til Monday. But I'm hopeful that this'll carry into the wider media.

Yeah, which was no doubt a conscious decision by EA. And Rock Paper Shotgun's inbox is still full, heh. I've emailed the story to a bunch of smaller gaming sites though to hopefully give it wider coverage. I'd hate to see the attempts to get it swept under the carpet succeed.

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

string3r wrote...

Looks like it's up to pirates to save the say.

dont worry about that. They will have this game uploaded even before its releaseday. Quick playthrough and delete it again. Then I'll spend my money on Max Payne 3. Thank god Rockstar is not owend by EA and only availbe via origin

So you think you have the right to play ME3 but you don't feel you should have to pay for it?

If you want to send a message, don't buy and don't play it.

And punishing the developers for the decisions of the publishers is going to cripple this industry. The big publishers will surive any decreases in sales by just shutting down studios.

If you're not willing to pay for ME3 then why the hell should you have the right to play it?

[wolfsite]

I've been running Origin for some time on my PC, have had no problems.  I've run Origin in the Program from the pics earlier that claim it scans your PC, the program only went into \\program files\\origin and checked files within those folders.... just like Steam does.

The fear most people have is that they feel the EULA gives EA the power to take all your information whenever they want.... which they don't.

If they did that though it would be corporate suicide.  We saw what happenned in Germany when this first happenned.  EA admitted to the mistake on there part, changed Origin (Thus it only does limited scans within it's own related folders) and apologised.

EA knows people are watching them like a hawk,  it would be way too damaging if they did an about face and decided they want all your information.  To do this would essentially cripple there stake in the PC market.

[Samwell]

Restrictive terms by Steam, eh?

That's interesting, since my copy of ME2 on Steam seems to be just fine with all the DLC I bought.

[Stouny]

I have Origin installed, I´m getting promotional emails, which I want to get, because they may come in handy and I really don´t care about this spyware business.

If you don´t want to play ME3, don´t play it, but don´t use Origin as an excuse. Because it´s just a glorified game downloader/launcher/shop/promotional platform, not some diabolical tool created by EA to control the world.

[flexxdk]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Its just that people don't complain about those, but Origin is 'spyware' so there must be some difference in the data collected. Its not as though its going through your documents collecting credit card numbers or tax details, so there must be a reason people have got so worked up about it. 

Probably because it's EA, people think it is bad.

However, there's no real proof that EA collects your tax details and all that stuff.
And all I have found so far is a Reddit post that explained how Origin wasn't spyware. And people hardly take Reddit seriously.

So I believe people should do more research on these images. Take the things you don't understand, separate them from the rest and use the internet to find out what these things do, what they mean, their purpose, etc.

Modifié par Whacka, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:42 .

[wolfsite]

Samwell wrote...

Restrictive terms by Steam, eh?

That's interesting, since my copy of ME2 on Steam seems to be just fine with all the DLC I bought.

Those terma were introduced after the release of ME2, games released before the terms were put in place are unnaffected.  Which is why Dragon Age 2 and Crysis were removed by Valve and not DA; Origins or ME2.

[Boomer-Australia]

Emoking wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Wardka wrote...

And I see Chris returned to tell us why Valve is bad, which is pretty much proof he's just running EA's errands on this one, which is of course what we knew all along.

He is but a puppet in EA's  war on valve (guess whose losing) 

Ummm... Valve?

Oh, no, wait... ( http://www.techpower...eous-Users.html )

Meant to say steam, I've been using it for 4 years so I shouldn't make that mistake atleast valve owns steam so I wasn't out of the margin too badly 

[Boomer-Australia]

Stouny wrote...

I have Origin installed, I´m getting promotional emails, which I want to get, because they may come in handy and I really don´t care about this spyware business.

If you don´t want to play ME3, don´t play it, but don´t use Origin as an excuse. Because it´s just a glorified game downloader/launcher/shop/promotional platform, not some diabolical tool created by EA to control the world.

Most of us if not all want to play ME3 we just don't want origin snooping around and we would like the option of steam since some of us have nice collections on steam and this basically ruins it 

[Pixieking]

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Wardka wrote...

And I see Chris returned to tell us why Valve is bad, which is pretty much proof he's just running EA's errands on this one, which is of course what we knew all along.

He is but a puppet in EA's  war on valve (guess whose losing) 

Ummm... Valve?

Oh, no, wait... ( http://www.techpower...eous-Users.html )

Meant to say steam, I've been using it for 4 years so I shouldn't make that mistake atleast valve owns steam so I wasn't out of the margin too badly 

Oh, heh... No, I didn't meant to correct you. I was just joking "Steam's losing... ohh, no it isn't."

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

string3r wrote...

Looks like it's up to pirates to save the say.

dont worry about that. They will have this game uploaded even before its releaseday. Quick playthrough and delete it again. Then I'll spend my money on Max Payne 3. Thank god Rockstar is not owend by EA and only availbe via origin

So you think you have the right to play ME3 but you don't feel you should have to pay for it?

If you want to send a message, don't buy and don't play it.

And punishing the developers for the decisions of the publishers is going to cripple this industry. The big publishers will surive any decreases in sales by just shutting down studios.

If you're not willing to pay for ME3 then why the hell should you have the right to play it?

I indeed intend not to buy the game, but I will play the game. It is not fault I'm force to use origin. EA is not giving me any fair change here. Bioware is just stuck in the middle of all this. I feel sorry for them and I wish there is some way I could give them the money the deserve! In this case the industry is to blame for the crippleing the industry. I always buy my pc games. They are cheaper then console games and in 1 year I only buy around 10 games. Its not the money. I JUST REFUSE TO USE THIS ORING CRAP. Its that simple. And the ONLY way to bypass origin is an illegal download. at this moment

[Darth_Trethon]

Fredvdp wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

twisty77 wrote...Thank God I have an Xbox 360.

May we all take a moment to thank whatever deity we happen to believe in for the existence of the 360 where even PC gamers exiled by Origin can transfer their saves to and continue playing as if nothing had changed. I absolutely do not believe BioWare should be punished for EA's mistakes but the PC version of any game requiring Origin must NOT be considered a commercial success so I am buying two N7 CEs for the 360.

While Origin is definitely annoying I don't think it's worth that much of a downgrade. The Xbox 360 operating system is in my opinion more annoying than Origin. When i want to play on my brother's Xbosx 360 I have to first log him out, log me in and then endure pretty long load times. At least on PC you only have to log in on the Origin application once.

The load times aren't that much longer and the log in/out process takes mere seconds....but you prefer spyware to save a few minutes per dozens of hours of playtime so plese be my guest, I won't try to dissuade your enthusiasm.

That's like selling your soul for pocket change that wouldn't be enough to get you a pack of chewing gum.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:44 .

[Candidate 88766]

abaris wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Most things seem to collect data of some kind. Facebook, Amazon, Chrome (or any broswer for that matter), Google, iTunes, Steam, the list goes on.

If you're naive enough to use google chrome or facebook (using your real name and details) or personalise google. In fact I don't do any of these things, since it's none of their business who I am, what I do and what I might or might not like.

I'm not guilty of any of the above mentioned.

It's bad enough you can't escape the IP scanning, leading to a sh..storm of localised ads in your browser. I don't need to give any company additional data to figure me out.

But at the end of the day does it really matter if the companies know a bit about you? I mean really?

I use most of the things I mentioned. Amazon has a record of all the music I've bought, and because of this every fortnight I get a handful of free songs tailored to my tastes. Facebook knows my name, but hundreds of people know my name. Chrome and Google probably have records of my browsing history.

But at the end of the day they know very little about me.

[Gamerpru]

Stouny wrote...

I have Origin installed, I´m getting promotional emails, which I want to get, because they may come in handy and I really don´t care about this spyware business.

If you don´t want to play ME3, don´t play it, but don´t use Origin as an excuse. Because it´s just a glorified game downloader/launcher/shop/promotional platform, not some diabolical tool created by EA to control the world.

Then what is wrong with wanted to put the game up on steam? I;ve been useing and FILLING steam up for years now. A

[Boomer-Australia]

Emoking wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Wardka wrote...

And I see Chris returned to tell us why Valve is bad, which is pretty much proof he's just running EA's errands on this one, which is of course what we knew all along.

He is but a puppet in EA's  war on valve (guess whose losing) 

Ummm... Valve?

Oh, no, wait... ( http://www.techpower...eous-Users.html )

Meant to say steam, I've been using it for 4 years so I shouldn't make that mistake atleast valve owns steam so I wasn't out of the margin too badly 

Oh, heh... No, I didn't meant to correct you. I was just joking "Steam's losing... ohh, no it isn't."

Don't worry I didn't take it that way also I got your joke 

[abaris]

Whacka wrote...


However, there's no real proof that EA collects your tax details and all that stuff.

Of course they don't do that. Problem is, you're inviting a client to your computer. You're opening a backdoor that reduces your own internet safety on a general scale. You're vulnerable if anyone hacks into Origin. And don't say, it can't happen. Other major players have already been hacked in recent years and had to admit to lose sensible user data on the way.

The other point is, it's not their business scanning anything on my computer. As I said, I go to great lenghts to not have any data miners on my system.

[Boomer-Australia]

abaris wrote...

Whacka wrote...


However, there's no real proof that EA collects your tax details and all that stuff.

Of course they don't do that. Problem is, you're inviting a client to your computer. You're opening a backdoor that reduces your own internet safety on a general scale. You're vulnerable if anyone hacks into Origin. And don't say, it can't happen. Other major players have already been hacked in recent years and had to admit to lose sensible user data on the way.

The other point is, it's not their business scanning anything on my computer. As I said, I go to great lenghts to not have any data miners on my system.

Possible replay of the PSN incident? except for origin not the PSN

[Customz]

Gamerpru wrote...

Customz wrote...

Please stop talks of torrenting as the thread might get closed. People complaining it's not on steam: EA has all the rights to keep ME3 from steam if they feel like it. If it's because of the no exclusive dlc thing, I agree with what steam is doing. But EA has the right to not sell dlc anywhere else.

If you want you can circumvent the drm yourself after you buy the game and thus get rid of origin requirement. In some places this is legal. You can also try using sandboxing to keep origin from accessing your files. But all of these won't change the fact that EA will get your money and thus origin as it is now will remain in use, specially after this: www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39623/EA_reorganizes_after_a_landmark_1B_digital_year.php

LOL, you sound like a donkey dude. Here you are telling us to do all short of tweaking so that origin cant do what it is meant to do. Don't you see how stupid that sounds? How can EA get my money if I download this game, because they decide to make it origin exclusive, how in the hell are they going to get my money? If you read between the lines, then you will read that nobody wants origin gonna. Just dont force the exclusive part down our throats!! And furthermore, I;m not torrenting it, I use darknet and usenet.

Obviously you didn't understand what I said. I was talking of LEGAL ways to disable or bypass origin. Those imply BUYING the game and then getting rid of origin somehow. Downloading ME3 without paying is ILLEGAL. And furthermore considering the industries usual way of acting they'll use pirated games statistics, such as those released by torrentfreak, to conclude that the game was good enough "but the darn pirates ruin everything" and stick us with more drm. That's their usual mo, always try to increase enforcement.

P.S: I didn't know donkeys sounded this good! Learning something new everyday.

[Stouny]

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Stouny wrote...

I have Origin installed, I´m getting promotional emails, which I want to get, because they may come in handy and I really don´t care about this spyware business.

If you don´t want to play ME3, don´t play it, but don´t use Origin as an excuse. Because it´s just a glorified game downloader/launcher/shop/promotional platform, not some diabolical tool created by EA to control the world.

Most of us if not all want to play ME3 we just don't want origin snooping around and we would like the option of steam since some of us have nice collections on steam and this basically ruins it 

I don´t even know how many games I have on Steam. It´s true, that it would be great to have the complete trilogy on steam, but you can have in on Origin (you can use your CD key from steam to activate games on origin).

And if you buy a game on steam, I think you also have to buy it´s DLCs on steam, but I may be wrong on this.

Last thing, that cross promotion between Amalur and ME wouldn´t be possible on steam. So I´m quite happy. Could Origin be better? Sure it could? Does it freeze my PC everytime it starts? Sure it does. But it´s just an another way to get games (or play them without a CD). 

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

string3r wrote...

Looks like it's up to pirates to save the say.

dont worry about that. They will have this game uploaded even before its releaseday. Quick playthrough and delete it again. Then I'll spend my money on Max Payne 3. Thank god Rockstar is not owend by EA and only availbe via origin

So you think you have the right to play ME3 but you don't feel you should have to pay for it?

If you want to send a message, don't buy and don't play it.

And punishing the developers for the decisions of the publishers is going to cripple this industry. The big publishers will surive any decreases in sales by just shutting down studios.

If you're not willing to pay for ME3 then why the hell should you have the right to play it?

I indeed intend not to buy the game, but I will play the game. It is not fault I'm force to use origin. EA is not giving me any fair change here. Bioware is just stuck in the middle of all this. I feel sorry for them and I wish there is some way I could give them the money the deserve! In this case the industry is to blame for the crippleing the industry. I always buy my pc games. They are cheaper then console games and in 1 year I only buy around 10 games. Its not the money. I JUST REFUSE TO USE THIS ORING CRAP. Its that simple. And the ONLY way to bypass origin is an illegal download. at this moment

THEN BUY THE GAME.

Buy the game, and then do what you mentioned - download another copy.

Bioware isn't punished for EA's use of Origin, and you get to play your game without using it.

Bioware deserve the money for making ME3. Regardless of hwo you feel about Origin, punshing the developer is not the way to go.

If you buy a copy of the game, and keep it as long as you have a version of ME3 on your computer, then everything has worked out - you've paid for a copy of ME3, and as long as you have the physical copy then you have the right to play ME3. If you really feel the need to obtain an Origin-free version then I don't imagine anyone will be too fussed as long as you've paid for at least one copy of the game. Although buying it and then selling it straight away defeates the purpose a bit.



Stuff like this is why I prefer console gaming. No DRM, no clients like Steam or Origin.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:53 .

[ejoslin]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.

Nope.  It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.  

[Gamerpru]

Customz wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

Customz wrote...

Please stop talks of torrenting as the thread might get closed. People complaining it's not on steam: EA has all the rights to keep ME3 from steam if they feel like it. If it's because of the no exclusive dlc thing, I agree with what steam is doing. But EA has the right to not sell dlc anywhere else.

If you want you can circumvent the drm yourself after you buy the game and thus get rid of origin requirement. In some places this is legal. You can also try using sandboxing to keep origin from accessing your files. But all of these won't change the fact that EA will get your money and thus origin as it is now will remain in use, specially after this: www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39623/EA_reorganizes_after_a_landmark_1B_digital_year.php

LOL, you sound like a donkey dude. Here you are telling us to do all short of tweaking so that origin cant do what it is meant to do. Don't you see how stupid that sounds? How can EA get my money if I download this game, because they decide to make it origin exclusive, how in the hell are they going to get my money? If you read between the lines, then you will read that nobody wants origin gonna. Just dont force the exclusive part down our throats!! And furthermore, I;m not torrenting it, I use darknet and usenet.

Obviously you didn't understand what I said. I was talking of LEGAL ways to disable or bypass origin. Those imply BUYING the game and then getting rid of origin somehow. Downloading ME3 without paying is ILLEGAL. And furthermore considering the industries usual way of acting they'll use pirated games statistics, such as those released by torrentfreak, to conclude that the game was good enough "but the darn pirates ruin everything" and stick us with more drm. That's their usual mo, always try to increase enforcement.

P.S: I didn't know donkeys sounded this good! Learning something new everyday.

you're the only one that thinks it sounds good. Trust me, nothing but rubish! YOU NEED ORIGIN TO PLAY THE GAME. Dont be fooled that this is a one time thing. Just like BF3, every time you will first need to boot up origin before you can play the SP or the MP of ME3. Just wait and see here donkey. Same **** as with BF3. You are the one that thinks that consumers are ruining the industry, and I am the one that thinks that the business is ruining the industry. I always buy game, always!! Ever since BF3, I've decided to start downloading every origin exclusive titels. Unfortunatelly for Bioware no money for part 3. I have ME 1 and 2 on steam with all DLC. I intended to purchase ME3 on steam. The rest is history.