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[Candidate 88766]

ejoslin wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.

Nope.  It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.  

I don't want to come across as rude, but that is a rather extraordinary claim. The 'pics or it didn't happen' rule seems relevant. I'm not saying you're lying, but this really is something you need to be able to back up.

[ejoslin]

MartinDN wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

Google is your friend - "Isolation program" - Origin will not search files you wont let it search.

I do have a question, if i may, why be on the forum, and commentate about me3 being on origin, if you wasnt going to buy it ?

Only if you run it in a Sandbox.  And why am I here?  Someone on my friends list commented on it so I saw their comment and I wanted to a) reinforce that Origin is far more intrusive than many people realize and to say that I really hope DA3 doesn't require it (as it will if this is accepted).

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:56 .

[wolfsite]

ejoslin wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.

Nope.  It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.  

No it doesn't, download a copy of the Process Monitor and see for yourself.  I can confirm it only scans folders and files directly related to Origin.  It is in par with Steam and how it scans.

Edit..... gonna have to get some screen grabs then a place to post them

Modifié par wolfsite, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:56 .

[BounceDK]

Good news. No need to give steam even more control of games.

[Boomer-Australia]

Stouny wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Stouny wrote...

I have Origin installed, I´m getting promotional emails, which I want to get, because they may come in handy and I really don´t care about this spyware business.

If you don´t want to play ME3, don´t play it, but don´t use Origin as an excuse. Because it´s just a glorified game downloader/launcher/shop/promotional platform, not some diabolical tool created by EA to control the world.

Most of us if not all want to play ME3 we just don't want origin snooping around and we would like the option of steam since some of us have nice collections on steam and this basically ruins it 

And if you buy a game on steam, I think you also have to buy it´s DLCs on steam, but I may be wrong on this.

If you have the base game you should be able to use your dlcs you brought seperatly but if its say a dlc from steam and you want to use it on origin it might not work

It depends on the circumstances of the dlc

[PnXMarcin1PL]

wolfsite wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.

Nope.  It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.  

No it doesn't, download a copy of the Process Monitor and see for yourself.  I can confirm it only scans folders and files directly related to Origin.  It is in par with Steam and how it scans.

Edit..... gonna have to get some screen grabs then a place to post them

no need wolf, ive popsted my picture (which ive done today)on page 32, but ill repost it for you guys

http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png

[raz3r]

Who cares, I prefer Steam but that doesn't mean that I won't buy the game. Instead, I am looking forward to see what EA can do with Origin and Mass Effect 3. Don't miss a wonderful game like ME3 just because you hate Origin guys, don't do that. Shepard won't agree.

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

string3r wrote...

Looks like it's up to pirates to save the say.

dont worry about that. They will have this game uploaded even before its releaseday. Quick playthrough and delete it again. Then I'll spend my money on Max Payne 3. Thank god Rockstar is not owend by EA and only availbe via origin

So you think you have the right to play ME3 but you don't feel you should have to pay for it?

If you want to send a message, don't buy and don't play it.

And punishing the developers for the decisions of the publishers is going to cripple this industry. The big publishers will surive any decreases in sales by just shutting down studios.

If you're not willing to pay for ME3 then why the hell should you have the right to play it?

I indeed intend not to buy the game, but I will play the game. It is not fault I'm force to use origin. EA is not giving me any fair change here. Bioware is just stuck in the middle of all this. I feel sorry for them and I wish there is some way I could give them the money the deserve! In this case the industry is to blame for the crippleing the industry. I always buy my pc games. They are cheaper then console games and in 1 year I only buy around 10 games. Its not the money. I JUST REFUSE TO USE THIS ORING CRAP. Its that simple. And the ONLY way to bypass origin is an illegal download. at this moment

THEN BUY THE GAME.

Buy the game, and then do what you mentioned - download another copy.

Bioware isn't punished for EA's use of Origin, and you get to play your game without using it.

Bioware deserve the money for making ME3. Regardless of hwo you feel about Origin, punshing the developer is not the way to go.

If you buy a copy of the game, and keep it as long as you have a version of ME3 on your computer, then everything has worked out - you've paid for a copy of ME3, and as long as you have the physical copy then you have the right to play ME3. If you really feel the need to obtain an Origin-free version then I don't imagine anyone will be too fussed as long as you've paid for at least one copy of the game. Although buying it and then selling it straight away defeates the purpose a bit.



Stuff like this is why I prefer console gaming. No DRM, no clients like Steam or Origin.

NOPE!! This way EA will get a part of that money and EA is as good as useless organization to me and many other people out there at the moment. A horrible american commercial company that doenst give crap about their customer - the people that buy their stuff in the first place -

I have an 360 and a ps3. I like playing on both platforms, but preffer the pc and for that platform I use steam for years now.

[El Neebre]

Pre-order cancelled, refuse to use Origin after the trouble Battlefield 3 has caused me.

Get over yourselves EA, just conform and deliver on Steam.

[Fredvdp]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

twisty77 wrote...Thank God I have an Xbox 360.

May we all take a moment to thank whatever deity we happen to believe in for the existence of the 360 where even PC gamers exiled by Origin can transfer their saves to and continue playing as if nothing had changed. I absolutely do not believe BioWare should be punished for EA's mistakes but the PC version of any game requiring Origin must NOT be considered a commercial success so I am buying two N7 CEs for the 360.

While Origin is definitely annoying I don't think it's worth that much of a downgrade. The Xbox 360 operating system is in my opinion more annoying than Origin. When i want to play on my brother's Xbosx 360 I have to first log him out, log me in and then endure pretty long load times. At least on PC you only have to log in on the Origin application once.

The load times aren't that much longer and the log in/out process takes mere seconds....but you prefer spyware to save a few minutes per dozens of hours of playtime so plese be my guest, I won't try to dissuade your enthusiasm.

That's like selling your soul for pocket change that wouldn't be enough to get you a pack of chewing gum.

I monitored Origin's scanning recently and it didn't scan more than the EA folder. Besides, we're only talking about a one-time use of Origin. You can sandbox that and you never even have to launch Origin after that.

And when you say "the load times aren't that much longer", do you have a specific PC system in mind to which you compare it?

"Decontamination in pr -- Logged! The commanding officer is aboard. XO Pressley has the deck!"

Modifié par Fredvdp, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:01 .

[Gamerpru]

raz3r_ wrote...
Don't miss a wonderful game like ME3 just because you hate Origin guys, don't do that. Shepard won't agree.

ever heard of the verd "to download"

not gonna miss a sinlge thing!

[Stouny]

ejoslin wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.

Nope.  It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.  

And why would it scan My Documents? To check your Word documents and send them to EA so their "Divion of Origin monitoring" has something to do? :happy: If you think about it, it doesn´t make any sense and if they´re doing it it´s not spying it´s stupidity. 

But if have any kind of specific info, post the link pls.

[Gamerpru]

El Neebre wrote...

Pre-order cancelled, refuse to use Origin after the trouble Battlefield 3 has caused me.

Get over yourselves EA, just conform and deliver on Steam.

Good stuff m8! Crashes to desktop over and over again. I still thinks Origin is to blame here. BF3 hasnt been fun at all.

Modifié par Gamerpru, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:00 .

[Pony11]

I want a retail version similar to ME2 (without Origin) or if Origin is required then a Steam release :/

Second Bioware game that I won't buy on PC (first was DA II)

[Fredvdp]

Stouny wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.

It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.

Nope.  It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.  

And why would it scan My Documents? To check your Word documents and send them to EA so their "Divion of Origin monitoring" has something to do? :happy: If you think about it, it doesn´t make any sense and if they´re doing it it´s not spying it´s stupidity. 

But if have any kind of specific info, post the link pls.

It doesn't even do that anymore. It used to, but not anymore. Just the EA Games folder and Program Files, but no subfolders of that.

[Kronner]

BounceDK wrote...

Good news. No need to give steam even more control of games.

Who cares about Steam. ME3 should be playable without any third party software.

[ttchip]

what boggles my mind is that people are actually surprised or even shocked that ME3 wont happen on steam - at least in the near future, that is.

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

NOPE!! This way EA will get a part of that money and EA is as good as useless organization to me and many other people out there at the moment. A horrible american commercial company that doenst give crap about their customer - the people that buy their stuff in the first place -

I have an 360 and a ps3. I like playing on both platforms, but preffer the pc and for that platform I use steam for years now.

So you don't feel that Bioware deserves your money for ME3 but you feel you the right to own and play it for free?

You're whats wrong with gamers.

So what if EA doesn't care about its customers? Most companies don't. 

[ejoslin]

I'm not about to install Origin on my system. I have seen plenty of other screenies showing a far more intrusive scan. Perhaps its the initial scan? Perhaps a grand conspiracy? The uproar over Origin started because of the incredibly intrusive scan as well as the incredibly draconian EULA (which has since been revised, but not nearly enough).

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:03 .

[Customz]

Gamerpru wrote...

Customz wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

Customz wrote...

Please stop talks of torrenting as the thread might get closed. People complaining it's not on steam: EA has all the rights to keep ME3 from steam if they feel like it. If it's because of the no exclusive dlc thing, I agree with what steam is doing. But EA has the right to not sell dlc anywhere else.

If you want you can circumvent the drm yourself after you buy the game and thus get rid of origin requirement. In some places this is legal. You can also try using sandboxing to keep origin from accessing your files. But all of these won't change the fact that EA will get your money and thus origin as it is now will remain in use, specially after this: www.gamasutra.com/view/news/39623/EA_reorganizes_after_a_landmark_1B_digital_year.php

LOL, you sound like a donkey dude. Here you are telling us to do all short of tweaking so that origin cant do what it is meant to do. Don't you see how stupid that sounds? How can EA get my money if I download this game, because they decide to make it origin exclusive, how in the hell are they going to get my money? If you read between the lines, then you will read that nobody wants origin gonna. Just dont force the exclusive part down our throats!! And furthermore, I;m not torrenting it, I use darknet and usenet.

Obviously you didn't understand what I said. I was talking of LEGAL ways to disable or bypass origin. Those imply BUYING the game and then getting rid of origin somehow. Downloading ME3 without paying is ILLEGAL. And furthermore considering the industries usual way of acting they'll use pirated games statistics, such as those released by torrentfreak, to conclude that the game was good enough "but the darn pirates ruin everything" and stick us with more drm. That's their usual mo, always try to increase enforcement.

P.S: I didn't know donkeys sounded this good! Learning something new everyday.

you're the only one that thinks it sounds good. Trust me, nothing but rubish! YOU NEED ORIGIN TO PLAY THE GAME. Dont be fooled that this is a one time thing. Just like BF3, every time you will first need to boot up origin before you can play the SP or the MP of ME3. Just wait and see here donkey. Same **** as with BF3. You are the one that thinks that consumers are ruining the industry, and I am the one that thinks that the business is ruining the industry. I always buy game, always!! Ever since BF3, I've decided to start downloading every origin exclusive titels. Unfortunatelly for Bioware no money for part 3. I have ME 1 and 2 on steam with all DLC. I intended to purchase ME3 on steam. The rest is history.

OK, let me put it in a simple way so you can understand: basically what I'm saying is that in many countries buying the game and then cracking it is legal, so you can do that if you want. If it's not, where you are, you can sandbox origin and ME3 so that when they run (I NEVER said origin will only run once) they can't touch your other files. I'm not saying consumers ruin the industry, but wether you like it or not companies obiously use data infered from consumer habits, including purchases, to make business decisions. Believing that because EA/Bioware is selling their product in a way which you don't agree with (I don't either) but is legal gives you the right to pirate it, regardless of whetehr before this you bought every single game you owned or they released, is ridiculous. It's still piracy.

Modifié par Customz, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:06 .

[Stouny]

Kronner wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

Good news. No need to give steam even more control of games.

Who cares about Steam. ME3 should be playable without any third party software.

Maybe, but 3rd party software > disc check imho if you have only DVD/BD drive. 

[Pupuppu]

wolfsite wrote...

I've been running Origin for some time on my PC, have had no problems.  I've run Origin in the Program from the pics earlier that claim it scans your PC, the program only went into program filesorigin and checked files within those folders.... just like Steam does.

This was different in the beginning and they reserve themself to go back to what they did before.

The fear most people have is that they feel the EULA gives EA the power to take all your information whenever they want.... which they don't.

The EULA gives them every right to do whatever they want, be it now with their imprecise statements or if this is not enough with their ever changing EULA. Why have an agreement in the first place, when they can change it to whatever they like? And if you don't agree to it, you can't play your games, ehm sorry.. can't access your license to play their game anymore. They showed what their true intensions were, when they released Origin but realised it was to early to violate their customers at that point. At this point they still refrain from telling me what stuff exactly they collect.
You state "..they don't". So can you tell me i.e. what data gets transmitted to Omniture via https whent Origin gets started.
Btw, why don't I get told when their privacy policy gets updated?

If they did that though it would be corporate suicide.  We saw what happenned in Germany when this first happenned.  EA admitted to the mistake on there part, changed Origin (Thus it only does limited scans within it's own related folders) and apologised.

Yes, the German EA branch told everyone they are not responsible as the data is stored abroad and they have no say in it. They removed illegal stuff and tried in cloudy word to retain as much of their invasive stuff as possible. Afaik the investigation is still ongoing.
This is a game I run on my computer why do I need a Social Networking and Shopping add to run it?
Btw, how to they deceide what EULA applies to me? Meaningless IP address or the data they guessed into my account, as I didn't enter it.

EA knows people are watching them like a hawk,  it would be way too damaging if they did an about face and decided they want all your information.  To do this would essentially cripple there stake in the PC market.

They already have this right, waiting when they claim the right again to sell it.

[abaris]

raz3r_ wrote...

Don't miss a wonderful game like ME3 just because you hate Origin guys, don't do that. Shepard won't agree.

First, I'm not sure about the wonderful part. That remains to be seen and I reserve my judgement.

But you're totally missing the point, since you're obviously comfortable having multiple clients in your system. I'm not into playing the corporate game of figuring out the customer by looking at their habits.

That won't happen and before you ask, I'm not using google chrome or anything along these lines either. I'm on facebook, but under a false name and a freemail account and I'm usually not into social networking and haven't got the least bit of interest in multiplayer or ingame chats.

I'm also not interested in offers, since I'm used to look up what I might need and don't need a company pushing my nose into stuff they think I might need.

[nikki191]

shepard at gun point "this is my favourite DRM on the internet"

[Darth_Trethon]

Fredvdp wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

twisty77 wrote...Thank God I have an Xbox 360.

May we all take a moment to thank whatever deity we happen to believe in for the existence of the 360 where even PC gamers exiled by Origin can transfer their saves to and continue playing as if nothing had changed. I absolutely do not believe BioWare should be punished for EA's mistakes but the PC version of any game requiring Origin must NOT be considered a commercial success so I am buying two N7 CEs for the 360.

While Origin is definitely annoying I don't think it's worth that much of a downgrade. The Xbox 360 operating system is in my opinion more annoying than Origin. When i want to play on my brother's Xbosx 360 I have to first log him out, log me in and then endure pretty long load times. At least on PC you only have to log in on the Origin application once.

The load times aren't that much longer and the log in/out process takes mere seconds....but you prefer spyware to save a few minutes per dozens of hours of playtime so plese be my guest, I won't try to dissuade your enthusiasm.

That's like selling your soul for pocket change that wouldn't be enough to get you a pack of chewing gum.

I monitored Origin's scanning recently and it didn't scan more than the EA folder. Besides, we're only talking about a one-time use of Origin. You can sandbox that and you never even have to launch Origin after that.

And when you say "the load times aren't that much longer", do you have a specific PC system in mind to which you compare it?

"Decontamination in pr -- Logged! The commanding officer is aboard. XO Pressley has the deck!"

You can choose to believe whatever you wish to believe....regardless of whether it's true or not.