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Modifié par El Neebre, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:09 .
Candidate 88766 wrote...
So you don't feel that Bioware deserves your money for ME3 but you feel you the right to own and play it for free?Gamerpru wrote...
NOPE!! This way EA will get a part of that money and EA is as good as useless organization to me and many other people out there at the moment. A horrible american commercial company that doenst give crap about their customer - the people that buy their stuff in the first place -
I have an 360 and a ps3. I like playing on both platforms, but preffer the pc and for that platform I use steam for years now.
You're whats wrong with gamers.
So what if EA doesn't care about its customers? Most companies don't.
El Neebre wrote...
EA doesn't care about connecting with it's consumers, if they did then they'd realise what the consumers want - which is to have the game on Steam.
The real reason the game isn't on Steam is because soon they're going to be advertising Origin as a competitor to Steam, with games from various developers... but hopefully these other developers won't be as selfish as EA, and keep their games on the service which consumers want to use.
Fredvdp wrote...
It doesn't even do that anymore. It used to, but not anymore. Just the EA Games folder and Program Files, but no subfolders of that.Stouny wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.ejoslin wrote...
My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.
Nope. It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.
And why would it scan My Documents? To check your Word documents and send them to EA so their "Divion of Origin monitoring" has something to do? :happy: If you think about it, it doesn´t make any sense and if they´re doing it it´s not spying it´s stupidity.
But if have any kind of specific info, post the link pls.
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.ejoslin wrote...
My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.
Nope. It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.
No it doesn't, download a copy of the Process Monitor and see for yourself. I can confirm it only scans folders and files directly related to Origin. It is in par with Steam and how it scans.
Edit..... gonna have to get some screen grabs then a place to post them
no need wolf, ive popsted my picture (which ive done today)on page 32, but ill repost it for you guys
http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png
Modifié par wolfsite, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:13 .
Modifié par Boomer-Australia, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:13 .
Stouny wrote...
El Neebre wrote...
EA doesn't care about connecting with it's consumers, if they did then they'd realise what the consumers want - which is to have the game on Steam.
The real reason the game isn't on Steam is because soon they're going to be advertising Origin as a competitor to Steam, with games from various developers... but hopefully these other developers won't be as selfish as EA, and keep their games on the service which consumers want to use.
Origin is a competition to steam, it has 3rd party games on it and a growing user base. And it´s doing the same things as Valve did with steam: great games exlusive to the platform (Half-Life 2 anyone?)
ejoslin wrote...
Fredvdp wrote...
It doesn't even do that anymore. It used to, but not anymore. Just the EA Games folder and Program Files, but no subfolders of that.Stouny wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.ejoslin wrote...
My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.
Nope. It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.
And why would it scan My Documents? To check your Word documents and send them to EA so their "Divion of Origin monitoring" has something to do? :happy: If you think about it, it doesn´t make any sense and if they´re doing it it´s not spying it´s stupidity.
But if have any kind of specific info, post the link pls.
When did it stop? This is a serious question. I haven't kept up to date on the whole thing. While I don't like it scanning the Program Files directory either (it should scan nothing but the Origin related folder), it sounds like EA may have realized that they were going way too far.
And as for why they would scan the "My Documents" folder? You do realize that there's far more than just word documents stored there I hope. Many games store save game files there. Mods as well. Downloads too.
But it sounds like, if this thread is to be believed, that EA has cut way down on what they were scanning. It's possible, and if so, EA realized what a timebomb they had there. However, I also hate running unnecessary software on my machine as well, and for a boxed copy of a game, it should not be necessary.
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Stouny wrote...
El Neebre wrote...
EA doesn't care about connecting with it's consumers, if they did then they'd realise what the consumers want - which is to have the game on Steam.
The real reason the game isn't on Steam is because soon they're going to be advertising Origin as a competitor to Steam, with games from various developers... but hopefully these other developers won't be as selfish as EA, and keep their games on the service which consumers want to use.
Origin is a competition to steam, it has 3rd party games on it and a growing user base. And it´s doing the same things as Valve did with steam: great games exlusive to the platform (Half-Life 2 anyone?)
Modifié par Gamerpru, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:21 .
wolfsite wrote...
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
It doesn't look every file. It mostly looks on files related to Origin itself.ejoslin wrote...
My issue with Origin is that it scans and sends back to EA the name of every file on my computer. I really don't care what they do with it; I just care that it is done to begin with. This is far beyond what Steam does. I won't be buying ME3, but I probably wouldn't have anyway. I just hope this trend ends before DA3 comes out.
Nope. It actively scans your computer, including your "My Documents" folder and sends the information back to EA. THAT is the huge issue with Origin.
No it doesn't, download a copy of the Process Monitor and see for yourself. I can confirm it only scans folders and files directly related to Origin. It is in par with Steam and how it scans.
Edit..... gonna have to get some screen grabs then a place to post them
no need wolf, ive popsted my picture (which ive done today)on page 32, but ill repost it for you guys
http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png
Thanks, I did take a screen anyways so might as well share
I can add one with Stam if anyone wants a comparrison.
This was just the initial start up, as you can see it just checked itself over a few times and every little bit it checks the sames files which is standard for most programs.
PnXMarcin1PL wrote...
wolf add a pic with steam, maybe some people will actualy calm down
Modifié par wolfsite, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:30 .
Gamerpru wrote...
dude, that was years ago, there was no other thing like it and for your information Steam got their **** together and fixed everything. Now years later, serioulsy YEARS later EA decided to build their own crappy platform and they make these kinds of choises, saying to the gamers out there that have been using 1 single platform for years - full of friends, games, communitygroups, achievements, dlc - from now on you can only play our game via origin. BAM! you call that fair? I call that running a monopoly! ****** off EA
Modifié par casadechrisso, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:26 .
Aeowyn wrote...
Pre-order cancelled.
I'm disappointed, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Stouny wrote...
Maybe I´m not that interesting but I just don´t think anyone anywhere is that interested in my savegames from Fallout New Vegas (all 4 of them), 0 download and just many folders with game and program settings ("junk"). It´s true that about 10 years ago, when I was still running XP SP1 with that funny firewall, I was probably sending something interesting to Russia but that is a story for another time
As for running unnecessary SW, you can launch ME, play it, finish playing it and exit Origin. I don´t see a problem there. There can be a problem with Origin slowing down ME, but that can be helped with optimization of the client (which is still in beta).
Modifié par ejoslin, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:28 .
Gamerpru wrote...
Stouny wrote...
El Neebre wrote...
EA doesn't care about connecting with it's consumers, if they did then they'd realise what the consumers want - which is to have the game on Steam.
The real reason the game isn't on Steam is because soon they're going to be advertising Origin as a competitor to Steam, with games from various developers... but hopefully these other developers won't be as selfish as EA, and keep their games on the service which consumers want to use.
Origin is a competition to steam, it has 3rd party games on it and a growing user base. And it´s doing the same things as Valve did with steam: great games exlusive to the platform (Half-Life 2 anyone?)
dude, that was years ago, there was not other thing like it and for your information Steam got their **** together and fixed everything. Now years later, serioulsy YEARS later EA decided to build their own crappy platform and they make these kinds of choises, saying to the gamers out there that have been using 1 single platform for years - full of friends, games, communitygroups, achievements, dlc - from now on you can only play our game via origin. BAM! you call that fair? I call that running a monopoly! ****** off EA
Mister Mida wrote...
Gamerpru wrote...
dude, that was years ago, there was no other thing like it and for your information Steam got their **** together and fixed everything. Now years later, serioulsy YEARS later EA decided to build their own crappy platform and they make these kinds of choises, saying to the gamers out there that have been using 1 single platform for years - full of friends, games, communitygroups, achievements, dlc - from now on you can only play our game via origin. BAM! you call that fair? I call that running a monopoly! ****** off EA
And you're not noticing Valve is doing the same?
casadechrisso wrote...
Well, once again directly.
Chris, I'm sorry but I don't buy it. Anything from the Steam issue to Origin being nice and friendly.
The Steam issue: You really want us to believe that EA and only EA left Steam due to unacceptable new terms and condtions on Valve's side, while no other big company that (surprisingly!) isn't currently trying to force a direct Steam competition on it's customers seems to have any issue ith it? Is Bethesda maybe one of those little indie developers who are forced by the evil Valve to keep selling their DLCs to me on Steam? Oh poor Bethesda, evil Steam.
No, I don't buy it, repeat it as much as you want. I know Valve, monopolist or not, still as a user-friendly company that tries to appeal to it's customer base with special offers, fair conditions and some things that actually make a gamer's life easier, while EA has never done anything that suggested they actually care for their customers. Everything I see from EA is force and all but likeable.
I wouldn't even consider for one second bringing this issue to the Steam boards, because the fact that only EA, one of the most user-unfriendly publishers of them all, who's currently trying to force Origin on us with brute force, is having an issue with Steam's policy tells the whole story. And even if EA had a point in this matter, I still wouldn't care and say "suck it up" because EA never had my sympathies, they ruined that actively. If Bethesda and others can sell their DLC on Steam, EA can too, they just don't want to. Period.
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Now to Origin. There is no need to prove you that the current version is spying on us, because as long as the EULA gives you all the rights to do that, you can show us a spyware-free version today and update it to the worst malware tomorrow. And we're not even allowed to sue you for it and if you want o sue us, you can drag us in front of a US court even if we live outside the US - at least that's what your EULA says. As long as this kind of EULA exists, I don't even care what Origin actually does and what not, you want the rights to do whatever you like. "Oh, of course we would never do that!"... yeah yeah... if you're so nice and want us to believe that, scratch that EULA, it shouldn't exist.
Oh right, and if we get mad about that and use the F-word on the EA forums, we get thrown out and lose our $150 worth in games.
Ah right, that was an unintended accident? You already said that one year ago when users who complained about DA2 suddenly lost access to their games. Right, accident, big apologies after it went to the media. Very strange that now, one year later, users who use the F-word still lose access to their game library and history repeats. Big apologies again, yeah yeah... no, I don't buy it. EA does what they want, they grant themselves the rights to do so in the EULA, and only if the media catches wind of it they force one of the nice Bioware developers everyone likes to make an apology to calm the waves. I don't buy it.
And to the few generation Facebook people here with that "I don't care, I have nothing to hide" attitude... thanks for ruining our lives, if you just cared a little bit, it wouldn't be possible for EA to treat their loyal customers like mindless sheep.
BTW, Facebook.... comparing Origin to Facebook or Google Chrome makes no sense at all. I can freely decide whether or not I want to use facebook, but no company forces me to use facebook only to have access to my daily news site. If you want to use Origin, please do, but most of us want to use Mass Effect 3 and not Origin. Tha's the difference.
As for Chrome, never used it, never even got tempted. There are dozens of web browsers and again, nobody tries to force me into using Chrome only for accessing my daily news site.
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Needless to say I won't support ME3 and it's a hard decision not to buy it on day 1 directly. Even though I'm german and we have some advantage regarding the EULA, it's a matter of principles not supporting the current way EA takes. Sorry for you, Bioware, and I'm sorry too that I have to argue with devs I love, but all you say is EA talk and Bioware is just not what you were anymore. Another company slowly but steadily ruined by EA.
Well, so much for my little nerdrage. I still love you Bioware guys, please stop feeding us EA blabla, better stop talking at all before you do.
Gamerpru wrote...
Stouny wrote...
El Neebre wrote...
EA doesn't care about connecting with it's consumers, if they did then they'd realise what the consumers want - which is to have the game on Steam.
The real reason the game isn't on Steam is because soon they're going to be advertising Origin as a competitor to Steam, with games from various developers... but hopefully these other developers won't be as selfish as EA, and keep their games on the service which consumers want to use.
Origin is a competition to steam, it has 3rd party games on it and a growing user base. And it´s doing the same things as Valve did with steam: great games exlusive to the platform (Half-Life 2 anyone?)
dude, that was years ago, there was no other thing like it and for your information Steam got their **** together and fixed everything. Now years later, serioulsy YEARS later EA decided to build their own crappy platform and they make these kinds of choises, saying to the gamers out there that have been using 1 single platform for years - full of friends, games, communitygroups, achievements, dlc - from now on you can only play our game via origin. BAM! you call that fair? I call that running a monopoly! ****** off EA
Here is one with Steam on my PC
Ones sec it's not formating right
Modifié par Pupuppu, 14 janvier 2012 - 01:26 .
Mister Mida wrote...
Gamerpru wrote...
dude, that was years ago, there was no other thing like it and for your information Steam got their **** together and fixed everything. Now years later, serioulsy YEARS later EA decided to build their own crappy platform and they make these kinds of choises, saying to the gamers out there that have been using 1 single platform for years - full of friends, games, communitygroups, achievements, dlc - from now on you can only play our game via origin. BAM! you call that fair? I call that running a monopoly! ****** off EA
And you're not noticing Valve is doing the same?
Customz wrote...
Gamerpru wrote...
Stouny wrote...
El Neebre wrote...
EA doesn't care about connecting with it's consumers, if they did then they'd realise what the consumers want - which is to have the game on Steam.
The real reason the game isn't on Steam is because soon they're going to be advertising Origin as a competitor to Steam, with games from various developers... but hopefully these other developers won't be as selfish as EA, and keep their games on the service which consumers want to use.
Origin is a competition to steam, it has 3rd party games on it and a growing user base. And it´s doing the same things as Valve did with steam: great games exlusive to the platform (Half-Life 2 anyone?)
dude, that was years ago, there was no other thing like it and for your information Steam got their **** together and fixed everything. Now years later, serioulsy YEARS later EA decided to build their own crappy platform and they make these kinds of choises, saying to the gamers out there that have been using 1 single platform for years - full of friends, games, communitygroups, achievements, dlc - from now on you can only play our game via origin. BAM! you call that fair? I call that running a monopoly! ****** off EA
So ea should "****** off" because they're trying to "run[] a monopoly" by getting people who "have been using 1 single platform for years " to move to their platform...
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