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[Wulfram]

RainyDayLover wrote...

I won't cancel my pre-order or anything but not making the game available on Steam is a HUGE mistake.

I mean...just have a look at some of the Steam stats from last year:

They're still selling plenty of pre-orders.  And I'd guess they make a whole bunch more money on stuff sold directly through Origin.  Plus once people start interacting with Origin, the theory is that they'll buy other stuff there.

And EA really don't want to get to a situation where Steam has the power to dictate terms to them.

Of course, they'd surely do better if they gave us some reasons to actually want to buy stuff from Origin.  Or just one big reason - attractive pricing.

[Pixieking]

Mclouvins wrote...

Emoking wrote...


Yeah, fair fair. I happen to think Steam is great for PC gaming and developers, but I'm not so arrogant I think everyone should think the same. The part that gets me is the hypocrisy - "Steam have restrictive terms of service which limit delivery of DLC... Hey guys, there's only 1 place to buy Mass Effect DLC!" Words fail me how EA can get so many people to think that's okay. <_<

The major point is that Valve collects a portion of the sale from dlc via Steam when they contibute nothing to the product.

Well, other than providing servers and support that automates the downloading and installing of DLC, you're right. That'll be why Steam take a cut.

Tbh, as a consumer, Steam is easier for me. Hence why it irritates me.

[Tup3x]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I feel bad for all you PC users. This is some really crummy news, especially if someone played ME1 and 2 on Steam and thus wouldn't your playthroughs be useless?

Makes me glad sometimes that I play on a console.. still, if I was a PC owner, I wouldn't be happy with this either.

No, that's not how things work. It's not useless at all. On top of that you can register your Steam ME2 in Origin if you prefer to use only one client. You cant' do that for ME1 though since it's so old.

Well that still sucks.. you don't have that kind of restriction with 360. Lame.

Ehh... What restriction?

[Candidate 88766]

MartinDN wrote...

We all knew it was coming, im unsure what im going to do, i was waiting for chris's update till i decided whether to preorder or not, i think i may still do it as it doesnt require a constant origin connection, which isnt so bad as i can just uninstall. But still this leaves a bad taste in my mouth, i doubt if given the choice bioware would choose to use this service, but then again nobody knows.

Anyone know the laws in the Uk regarding protection of private data collected and then transferring to unspecified third partys ? Im sure the data protection act would have something to say ? Or is it because you willingly agreed to give your data, even without an opt out ?

Don't know about the rest of the EULA, but that bit changed last August - EA isn't allowed to send any data collected to third parties of any kind in the new EULA.

[Reofeir]

Emoking wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

]Well... That seals the deal then. *Pre-orderds DDE version from Origin tomorrow.* I dunno if I should hate Steam's new policy or EA's lack of flexibility. I'd prefer Steam.

And this right here is why I hate EA's PR.

Steam wants everyone to have access to DLC. It's not a restrictive service. Go look at how many places sell Shogun 2 DLC (a Steamworks game, btw). Look at the fact that Arkham City DLC is available both on Steam, and G4WL.

What happened is that EA want full control of the sale of their DLC. That's why there is still only one place to buy ME/DA DLC.

Steam genuinely aren't in the wrong here.

In some other perspective, forcing a company to give valve 30% (I think) of their sales to them or don't have the game on there at all can be considered a bussiness move to just get valve more money. Not saying they are wrong, but it could be something to also look at. 

[Dovahzaan]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Was wondering the same. It's as if Bioware themselves are ashamed to announce this news.

They should be.

[OdanUrr]

Well, I was getting the 360 version anyway in the hopes they'll release offline co-op so I can play with my brother.

[shepskisaac]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Was wondering the same. It's as if Bioware themselves are ashamed of this.

I don't blame them. I know that if it was up to them, there wouldn't be any mandatory Origin in ME3. But unfortunately we know it's not the case

[goofyomnivore]

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

[IronSabbath88]

Tup3xi wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I feel bad for all you PC users. This is some really crummy news, especially if someone played ME1 and 2 on Steam and thus wouldn't your playthroughs be useless?

Makes me glad sometimes that I play on a console.. still, if I was a PC owner, I wouldn't be happy with this either.

No, that's not how things work. It's not useless at all. On top of that you can register your Steam ME2 in Origin if you prefer to use only one client. You cant' do that for ME1 though since it's so old.

Well that still sucks.. you don't have that kind of restriction with 360. Lame.

Ehh... What restriction?

Not being able to register ME1 aswell.

[shepskisaac]

strive wrote...

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

There's no op-out. That's just for ME3 saves data, same thing as in ME2. There's no opt-out from data-mining Orign does everywhere else

[twincast]

Wardka wrote...

Emoking wrote...
Yeah, fair fair. I happen to think Steam is great for PC gaming and developers, but I'm not so arrogant I think everyone should think the same. The part that gets me is the hypocrisy - "Steam have restrictive terms of service which limit delivery of DLC... Hey guys, there's only 1 place to buy Mass Effect DLC!" Words fail me how EA can get so many people to think that's okay. <_<

Yes, as far as I remember the "restrictive terms of service" are that DLC must be able to sold over Steam as well as any other locations. Basically EA wants to keep their DLC out of the Steam store so they don't have to pay Valve whatever cut they take. But hey, spinning that to Steam being at fault is an option, I suppose.

Yup.

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I feel bad for all you PC users.
This is some really crummy news, especially if someone played ME1 and 2
on Steam and thus wouldn't your playthroughs be useless?

Makes me glad sometimes that I play on a console.. still, if I was a PC owner, I wouldn't be happy with this either.

No, that works regardless.

Candidate 88766 wrote...

You'll need to install it and authorize your copy. 

Whether
you can uninstall afterwards is a different matter. The SP doesn't
require an internet connection, but it may require Origin being present.

Origin would be rather useless to them if you could (easily) uninstall it without making the games linked to it unplayable.

[Weskerr]

strive wrote...

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

Read it more carefully. It says "ME3 data collection" not data collection in general.

[Pixieking]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I feel bad for all you PC users. This is some really crummy news, especially if someone played ME1 and 2 on Steam and thus wouldn't your playthroughs be useless?

Makes me glad sometimes that I play on a console.. still, if I was a PC owner, I wouldn't be happy with this either.

No, that's not how things work. It's not useless at all. On top of that you can register your Steam ME2 in Origin if you prefer to use only one client. You cant' do that for ME1 though since it's so old.

Well that still sucks.. you don't have that kind of restriction with 360. Lame.

Ehh... What restriction?

Not being able to register ME1 aswell.

Yeah, the OCD part of me wants to register ME1 on Origin. Just because, you know?

[Yuoaman]

Dammit.

I'm still going to play the game, but I'm pissed that I'm going to have to deal with Origin.

[Ryzaki]

Weskerr wrote...

strive wrote...

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

Read it more carefully. It says "ME3 data collection" not data collection in general.

Wait...you can't opt out of the data collection in general? 

[LostCustomer]

Bad luck. You won't see a single cent from me any more as long as Origin will remain mandatory. Let's spread the word about Origin and the EULA&TOS and educate people about it; why they should be concerned, looking at the bigger picture, looking at what direction things are going.

This one goes out to the charming guys at EA, who voted for making Origin mandatory. BYE!



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Modifié par LostCustomer, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:22 .

[Reofeir]

Ryzaki wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

strive wrote...

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

Read it more carefully. It says "ME3 data collection" not data collection in general.

Wait...you can't opt out of the data collection in general? 

From what I know, no. You can't.

[Weskerr]

Ryzaki wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

strive wrote...

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

Read it more carefully. It says "ME3 data collection" not data collection in general.

Wait...you can't opt out of the data collection in general? 

From the wording it appears not. They cleverly worded it to try and fool people into thinking that however.

[Wardka]

strive wrote...

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not angry, just very disappointed. I own every Bioware game except Shattered Steel and that one Sonic game. I've been playing their games for 13 years now, and they used to be my favorite developer after Origin Systems (ironic, I know). This announcement more or less marks an end to all of that, though, and it makes me tired and sad. I don't really have it in me to be up in arms about it.

[Ryzaki]

Zenor wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

strive wrote...

This thread has been surprisingly mild. At least there is an opt out. Now just fix Origin's appetite for memory.

Read it more carefully. It says "ME3 data collection" not data collection in general.

Wait...you can't opt out of the data collection in general? 

From what I know, no. You can't.

Okay that's bull.

WTF.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

You'll need to install it and authorize your copy. 

Whether you can uninstall afterwards is a different matter. The SP doesn't require an internet connection, but it may require Origin being present.

That's too bad I was looking forward to buying ME3 for PC in the future, I guess the 360 version will have to do unless they change things which I doubt will happen unless a large number of people cause trouble for EA. 

Thanks for the answer.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:15 .

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

Wait...you can't opt out of the data collection in general? 

Of course not. EA wants free marketing data and they won't stop unless they're forced like in Germany

[MartinDN]

If any bioware/EA employee ever reads this thread, please please just make an opt out for origin datamining, not just me3, then we will support it wholeheartedly, there is no reason whatsoever to have a datamine function, if its for marketing purposes then it should be up to us to decide whether we will allow you to use our data, we shouldent be forced into it. Especially when console users dont have to, the PC audience isnt exactly your largest user base.