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[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

Customz wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

BECAUSE YOU WILL NEED TO USE ORIGIN!!!! I DONT WANT TO USE ORIGIN. Ik keep repeating myself here, god!
No matter which way I buy it I cant install on steam and for that matter I will not buy it. Becasue EA has won if i do. Sorry bioware. If i could pre-order the game right now on steam I would have already done it!

It's unbelievable how yout hink this entitles you to downloading the game for free. If you simply say you're going to download it period, or that you believe on a freetopia or that copyright laws are too restrictive or things should be free whatever, it would be one thing. You're stating you believe people should pay but the fact the developers and publishers decided to add a software requirement, to THEIR game, which you don't like gives you the right to pirate it is beyond me

I've never said that this entitles me to do so. Because I have no alternative I choose to download it. That is the only way not to get in contact with Origin. The other choose is to not play the game at all. HAHAHA, I need to see the day that will happen. And yes, from now on i will do this with all origin exclusive titels. And it is beyond me how foolish and ignorant EA is acting about this. 

You don't have to have ME3.

You're not entitled to it. You don't need it. Bioware doesn't owe you it.

If you're not going to pay for it, then you don't have the right to play it.

Simple as that.

You want ME3? Then you're going to have to put up with Origin.
Don't want to put up with Origin? Then you're going to have to miss out on ME3.

Its the choice between a lesser of two evils - Origin or no ME3.

[Pupuppu]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

You've paid for, and now own, a legal copy of ME3. You can then keep that on your shelf and play your Origin-free version that you seem to admamant on getting. Bioware gets the money they've earned, you don't have to use Origin.

Or just don't buy or play ME3 at all. That way you don't have to use Origin and you haven't done something illegal.

Circumventing Origin, at least in the US, is illegal, even if bought the game.

[N0-Future]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...  Becasue EA has won if i do. Sorry bioware. If i could pre-order the game right now on steam I would have already done it!

EA has won even if you pirate the game.  Look it is very simple if you are against Origin then you should be against buying or playing any EA product until they get rid of the festering mess they call Origin.  If you buy Mass Effect 3 on the PC and then pirate it you are givng a false message to EA that you support Origin.  If you do not buy it but still pirate it then you are giving EA justification to not only use Origin but make it more tougher and more invasive.

I do not like Origin, I refuse to have it on my PC therefore I will not be buyinig Mass Effect 3 nor will I be playing Mass Effect 3 in any way whatsoever.  If you feel so strongly about Origin that you are complaining about it in this thread then you will do the same.  If you intend to "pirate" the game then guess what YOU are the reason we have to put up with crap like Origin.

Irs just crap buissness practice imo, if EA were so set on implementing Origin they could have done it after the last installment of Mass Effect. As some people will not be able to resolve their Shepards story. I for one find that frustrating... So I can see why people are getting upset., it like selling a book with the last five chapters missing.

Modifié par N0-Future, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:02 .

[Candidate 88766]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here you go. I've been monitoring Origin for couple of days now and I see this all the time I check Origin in that program app. (I've done this pic today)

http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png

I don't really know what that means, but it looks the same as what Steam was doing.

[Mister Mida]

Gamerpru wrote...

and onces again i tell you, that steam has always been nr 1 and the only platform out there. I dont like any platform, but I dont want to download everything, because i hate it. But since october 2011, origin is introduced and is indeed doing the exact same thing valve is doint. This is life m8. Valve beat them to punch year ago, and i mean years and years ago. Because of this I will not start all over again with origin. That simple. If EA decided to put origin on the marktet a year after steam, then no biggie. Not now, bad timing!!

I can see this is going in circles, so I'm gonna stop. But for the last time I'll tell you that business doesn't work the way you think it works.

[Shepard the Leper]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Bioware deserves some money for making the game in the first place.

Indeed. I happily pay money for their GAMES - that's all I want. I don't want any other crap, crap that is forced upon us without any purpose except to give EA absolute control.

EA deserves some money for putting it onto disks and making it available to buy.

LOL

You can either choose to play ME3 and support Bioware, and through doing so suppoer EA or you can choose to not support EA by not buying or playing the game.

No, you can either chose to kiss EA ass OR you can deliver a message that those fools have gone too far this time.

If you really hate piracy and aren't just writing crap then don't pirate it. Living without ME3 isn't the end of the world. Pirating it just justifies things like DRM and Origin more.

The only connection between DRM and piracy is that the former increases the latter. It's ridiculous that loyal and earnest customers are punished for buying a legit version. It should be the other way around, but that's way beyond the pathetic understanding of companies such as EA, unfortunately.

The only thing they DO understand are drops in sales. Well, obviously, they believe piracy is resposible for this - not their illegal intrusive spyware and other user-unfriendly "protection" crap (cough - UbiSoft - cough). But even a braindeath EA manager will be unhappy when sales collapse. Not buying is the only thing one can do to voice his/her discontent.

Edit: That's because anyone who questions their policy is going to be banned from EA forums. It's not possible to have a healthy debate about the subject on any EA forum and doing so means you risk losing all the games you paid for. I have to give Bioware credits for allowing an Origin discussion in the first place.

Modifié par Shepard the Leper, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:06 .

[Pixieking]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

Not buying is the only thing one can do to voice his/her discontent.

This!

Except, you can also cause as much of an outcry in the press and forums as possible, in order to make yourself heard.

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:04 .

[Gamerpru]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...  Becasue EA has won if i do. Sorry bioware. If i could pre-order the game right now on steam I would have already done it!

EA has won even if you pirate the game.  Look it is very simple if you are against Origin then you should be against buying or playing any EA product until they get rid of the festering mess they call Origin.  If you buy Mass Effect 3 on the PC and then pirate it you are givng a false message to EA that you support Origin.  If you do not buy it but still pirate it then you are giving EA justification to not only use Origin but make it more tougher and more invasive.

I do not like Origin, I refuse to have it on my PC therefore I will not be buyinig Mass Effect 3 nor will I be playing Mass Effect 3 in any way whatsoever.  If you feel so strongly about Origin that you are complaining about it in this thread then you will do the same.  If you intend to "pirate" the game then guess what YOU are the reason we have to put up with crap like Origin.

Here is where you wrong! I already bought everything from ME and I will see this game end in part3. I always buy my pc as i already mention including the reason why. This changed for me from october 2011 and only for EA games that are origin exclusive. I will buy max payne, I will buy Hitman and some other games this year. Dont worry m8, i have always supported the gaming industry, I just lost some faith concerning a particular company

[Wardka]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...  Becasue EA has won if i do. Sorry bioware. If i could pre-order the game right now on steam I would have already done it!

EA has won even if you pirate the game.  Look it is very simple if you are against Origin then you should be against buying or playing any EA product until they get rid of the festering mess they call Origin.  If you buy Mass Effect 3 on the PC and then pirate it you are givng a false message to EA that you support Origin.  If you do not buy it but still pirate it then you are giving EA justification to not only use Origin but make it more tougher and more invasive.

I do not like Origin, I refuse to have it on my PC therefore I will not be buyinig Mass Effect 3 nor will I be playing Mass Effect 3 in any way whatsoever.  If you feel so strongly about Origin that you are complaining about it in this thread then you will do the same.  If you intend to "pirate" the game then guess what YOU are the reason we have to put up with crap like Origin.

As always, you are a voice of reason.

I was really disappointed last night when Chris posted this stuff, because I had really been looking forward to ME3. I'd just reinstalled ME2 to give it another playthrough! My faith in BioWare was, well, shaken. And it still is - I'm more or less done with them, in their current form - but I don't really feel disappointed anymore. I'm not going to finish Shepard's story, but I'm okay with that, because giving EA any money or doing anything they might interpret as support for Origin or their business practices goes against my principles. So, well - at least I'm doing what I believe is right. Not playing one game is a small price to pay for that.

[Incognito JC]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here you go. I've been monitoring Origin for couple of days now and I see this all the time I check Origin in that program app. (I've done this pic today)

http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png

I don't really know what that means, but it looks the same as what Steam was doing.

This video has just as much credibility as the images posted here to say otherwise. Maybe EA realized they got caught and stopped the spying.. for now. Nobody knows for sure.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:04 .

[abaris]

N0-Future wrote...

Irs just crap buissness practice imo, if EA were so set on implementing Origin they could have done it after the last installment of Mass Effect. As some people will not be able to resolve their Shepards story. I for one find that frustrating... So I can see why people are getting upset.

From the business side it makes perfect sense. Put up with Origin, since the crybaby wants to finish the story.

Well, my life certainly doesn't depend on finishing it and if a client - any client for that matter - is necessary, they will have to make do without me buying the game.

Incognito JC wrote...

This video has just as much
credibility as the images posted here to say otherwise. Maybe EA
realized they got caught and stopped the spying.. for now. Nobody knows
for sure.

Well, maybe. But the EULA hasn't been changed. Signing it still entitles them to all kind of stuff.

Modifié par abaris, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:05 .

[Candidate 88766]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Bioware deserves some money for making the game in the first place.

Indeed. I happily pay money for their GAMES - that's all I want. I don't want any other crap, crap that is forced upon us without any purpose except to give EA absolute control.

EA deserves some money for putting it onto disks and making it available to buy.

LOL

You can either choose to play ME3 and support Bioware, and through doing so suppoer EA or you can choose to not support EA by not buying or playing the game.

No, you can either chose to kiss EA ass OR you can deliver a message that those fools have gone too far this time.

If you really hate piracy and aren't just writing crap then don't pirate it. Living without ME3 isn't the end of the world. Pirating it just justifies things like DRM and Origin more.

The only connection between DRM and piracy is that the former increases the latter. It's ridiculous that loyal and earnest customers are punished for buying a legit version. It should be the other way around, but that's way beyond the pathetic understanding of companies such as EA, unfortunately.

The only thing they DO understand are drops in sales. Well, obviously, they believe piracy is resposible for this - not their illegal intrusive spyware and other user-unfriendly "protection" crap (cough - UbiSoft - cough). But even a braindeath EA manager will be unhappy when sales collapse. Not buying is the only thing one can do to voice his/her discontent.

But if people want to take this moral high ground then they need to not buy and NOT PIRATE IT.

Thats the only way to get the message across. Piracy has just made the DRM problem worse, which pushes up piracy, which pushes up DRM.

If sales and piracy went down, then perhaps the publishers would finally cotton on to the fact that we don't like the DRM forced on us.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here you go. I've been monitoring Origin for couple of days now and I see this all the time I check Origin in that program app. (I've done this pic today)

http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png

I don't really know what that means, but it looks the same as what Steam was doing.

Yet people moan, complain, threaten devs with piracy, insult, rage. I dont understand this at all.

[JeffZero]

Edmonton will be made fairly unhappy when sales collapse, too. Cause and effect. And then we'll all sing sad songs about what could have been; what should have been.

I only hope the 360 sales muscle has grown that much stronger to make up for all these apparent lost PC sales. Punish EA all you want, but don't bring about the unfortunately-related demise of my favorite studio if at all possible, please.

[Incognito JC]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Yet people moan, complain, threaten devs with piracy, insult, rage. I dont understand this at all.

Incognito JC wrote...

A couple of things.

• For
  those posters that aren't bothered to read through the thread or use
  their higher cognitive process before posting, many are against Origin,
  and NOT Steam, because Steam asks for permission to ransack your PC for
  data. Origin does it ANYWAY without asking. If you are even bothered to
  read through the thread, you would learn that people have done tests
  sometime ago and learnt that Origin goes through your private files on
  your PC, outside of the Origin program folder, via a process monitoring
  program.
  
  For the more recent posts that Origin only scans its own
  folders, who is to say it won't scan others. It has been proven to do
  so before. And no, don't ask for image links. It has been posted on this
  thread, and you would have seen it if you bothered reading through.
  
• For
  those people that said, "what's the big deal with privacy, you use
  sites such as Facebook, etc etc", here's the thing, YOU control what
  information you want to release to public on sites such as Facebook. And
  as a matter of fact, I don't use Facebook myself. I have an account,
  but it does not have my personal information. Just my name, and it's
  used just to keep in touch with people I know. I do not have the
  compulsion to show and tell the public everytime I take a photo of
  myself in the toilet, or everytime I drink a can of beer.
  
• For
  those people who says, "you're a pirate so you don't want Origin
  scanning your files lool". What a load of bull. We care about what it
  scans because we might have important information on our PC. It is no
  secret that nowadays no major corporations can prevent their database
  from being hacked. With your logic, why don't you leave your house doors
  open, you have nothing to hide right? God forbid that you may have
  sensitive and/or banking information in your house. Just let strangers
  wander in anytime to take what they want. Because, hey, you have nothing
  to hide.
  
• As for those ignorant enough to say we can opt
  out of sharing data on Origin; no we can't. Mr. Priestly's carefully
  worded post said that we can only opt out of ME3 data sharing, which, to
  be honest, I do not have a single issue with. Feel free to take my ME3
  statistics, how I play the game and whatnot. Origin on the other hand,
  mines for data that are, bluntly put, none of their damn business.
  
• For
  those who said, "what's the big deal, switch to console". Not all PC
  gamers have console. Most PC gamers choose the PC because they do not
  like playing on consoles. Switching would mean paying more for the
  console itself, and paying more for games, because PC games are still
  cheaper. In ME3's case, I CAN'T switch. I have a PS3, but my ME1/ME2
  saves are for the PC.

Again, I've said it countless times, and
I'm not the only one; DRM do not prevent piracy, it promotes piracy.
Pirates will do what they do best, and excel at it. It's us as the
paying consumers that gets harmed. A CD check is more than enough,
because ME2 was great with just that.

Many of you do forget that,
it's our own money that comes out of the pocket to pay for the game. We
should not have to pay for a product and go through all the trouble to
make our gaming experience more pleasant. If Origin really does prove
itself to not be a spyware like so many
claims it to be, then good, I may be able to play a great game after
all.

Lastly,
if you do not have problems with Origin, or if you do not play on the
PC, good for you, refrain from posting in here. This news does not
concern you whatsoever. All you do is bait arguments.

[MassStorm]

LOL what a bunch of hypocrites, we all know you will end up playing that game one way or another.

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

Customz wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

BECAUSE YOU WILL NEED TO USE ORIGIN!!!! I DONT WANT TO USE ORIGIN. Ik keep repeating myself here, god!
No matter which way I buy it I cant install on steam and for that matter I will not buy it. Becasue EA has won if i do. Sorry bioware. If i could pre-order the game right now on steam I would have already done it!

It's unbelievable how yout hink this entitles you to downloading the game for free. If you simply say you're going to download it period, or that you believe on a freetopia or that copyright laws are too restrictive or things should be free whatever, it would be one thing. You're stating you believe people should pay but the fact the developers and publishers decided to add a software requirement, to THEIR game, which you don't like gives you the right to pirate it is beyond me

I've never said that this entitles me to do so. Because I have no alternative I choose to download it. That is the only way not to get in contact with Origin. The other choose is to not play the game at all. HAHAHA, I need to see the day that will happen. And yes, from now on i will do this with all origin exclusive titels. And it is beyond me how foolish and ignorant EA is acting about this. 

You don't have to have ME3.

You're not entitled to it. You don't need it. Bioware doesn't owe you it.

If you're not going to pay for it, then you don't have the right to play it.

Simple as that.

You want ME3? Then you're going to have to put up with Origin.
Don't want to put up with Origin? Then you're going to have to miss out on ME3.

Its the choice between a lesser of two evils - Origin or no ME3.

but there is an alternative nowadays. I''ve created my very own alternative so to speak. In your senario you can see this as Origin, no ME3 or a quick and free illegal download. You dont put that option in you world, but I do. The choise of not playing this game is not an option. Just like EA is not giving us a fair treatment, I choise to give them the middle finger for that

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...  Becasue EA has won if i do. Sorry bioware. If i could pre-order the game right now on steam I would have already done it!

EA has won even if you pirate the game.  Look it is very simple if you are against Origin then you should be against buying or playing any EA product until they get rid of the festering mess they call Origin.  If you buy Mass Effect 3 on the PC and then pirate it you are givng a false message to EA that you support Origin.  If you do not buy it but still pirate it then you are giving EA justification to not only use Origin but make it more tougher and more invasive.

I do not like Origin, I refuse to have it on my PC therefore I will not be buyinig Mass Effect 3 nor will I be playing Mass Effect 3 in any way whatsoever.  If you feel so strongly about Origin that you are complaining about it in this thread then you will do the same.  If you intend to "pirate" the game then guess what YOU are the reason we have to put up with crap like Origin.

Here is where you wrong! I already bought everything from ME and I will see this game end in part3. I always buy my pc as i already mention including the reason why. This changed for me from october 2011 and only for EA games that are origin exclusive. I will buy max payne, I will buy Hitman and some other games this year. Dont worry m8, i have always supported the gaming industry, I just lost some faith concerning a particular company

The fact that you're going to pirate it regardless shows that you don't mean it.

If people keep pirating, DRM will keep going up and the industry will stagnate. If you really wanted to support the industry, you wouldn't pirate it. 

[Wardka]

MassStorm wrote...

LOL what a bunch of hypocrites, we all know you will end up playing that game one way or another.

You are mistaken. Kindly stop trolling.

[ME_Fan]

Thanks Chris for update. I use Origin anyway so I'm indifferent to this but at least it'll shut up a few people.

Modifié par ME_Fan, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:08 .

[casadechrisso]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

wolf add a pic with steam, maybe some people will actualy calm down

Here is one with Steam on my PC

Ones sec it's not formating right

Edit there we go
*snip*

IMHO, I dont see any difference between STEAM and actual version of Origin. /flameshield enabled

Isn't that the point? No flame shield needed.

I've been reading BSN for two years now. I've learned well that flamers, haters, trolls and self-important people will attack everyone who doesnt agree with their opinions or stands on their path. I know it sounds insane, but that's how it is here.

Guys, does it matter? Read the effing EULA. It doesn't matter if they don't spy on you today,  past versions did and they grant themselves all the rights to update Origin to the worst piece of spyware again tomorrow. As I said in my long post, I don't care what Origin actually does on my HD at this moment as long as EA grants themselves the rights to change that anytime they want. And if they're sch good people who'd never do that to their best friends, the gamers, why would they need such an EULA? Sheesh.  

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Incognito JC wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Here you go. I've been monitoring Origin for couple of days now and I see this all the time I check Origin in that program app. (I've done this pic today)

http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png

I don't really know what that means, but it looks the same as what Steam was doing.

This video has just as much credibility as the images posted here to say otherwise. Maybe EA realized they got caught and stopped the spying.. for now. Nobody knows for sure.

Umm, do u have more actual version of video? IT's from October 2011, there have been few origin updates (like 3-5). So for me this video is out of date, sorry. Today there has been last update. I don't complain and I dont dare to insult you or anyone, but origin used to be spyware when the video was recorded and uploaded. Still it looks like from the video it wasnt spying.

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:09 .

[Incognito JC]

MassStorm wrote...

LOL what a bunch of hypocrites, we all know you will end up playing that game one way or another.

Because the other way makes all the difference in the world.

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

but there is an alternative nowadays. I''ve created my very own alternative so to speak. In your senario you can see this as Origin, no ME3 or a quick and free illegal download. You dont put that option in you world, but I do. The choise of not playing this game is not an option. Just like EA is not giving us a fair treatment, I choise to give them the middle finger for that

Then how about this: buy a copy and download a copy. You keep claiming you support Bioware and the industry.

Prove it.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:08 .

[charmingcharlie]

Gamerpru wrote...
Here is where you wrong! I already bought everything from ME and I will see this game end in part3. I always buy my pc as i already mention including the reason why. This changed for me from october 2011 and only for EA games that are origin exclusive. I will buy max payne, I will buy Hitman and some other games this year. Dont worry m8, i have always supported the gaming industry, I just lost some faith concerning a particular company

No I am not wrong Gamerpru, the fact you are saying you will pirate Mass Effect 3 is exactly the reason we have bull like Origin and Steam in the first place.  Now if you feel so strongly about Origin then you will avoid every product that uses Origin and by avoid I mean COMPLETELY.  There is no "I can have my cake and eat it too" scenario here, if you pirate the game then it is thanks to you that Origin exists so give yourself a pat on the back there.