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[raz3r]

Mister Mida wrote...

raz3r_ wrote...

Bioware chooses nothing:
Audience reaction: WTF? I want all of my games to be on Steam! I am not gonna buy it, PREORDER CANCELED!

I don't know much about Steam, but last I checked you can still link a non-Steam game to it.

Yes but for Steam fanboys it's not the same of having the actual copy registered on the account. I am kind of a Steam fanboy but I will still buy the game, no matter the service. I mean, it's not like the game changes from service to service, does it?

[JeffZero]

casadechrisso wrote...

GirlPower23 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Edmonton will be made fairly unhappy when sales collapse, too. Cause and effect. And then we'll all sing sad songs about what could have been; what should have been.

I only hope the 360 sales muscle has grown that much stronger to make up for all these apparent lost PC sales. Punish EA all you want, but don't bring about the unfortunately-related demise of my favorite studio if at all possible, please.

Why? When  Bizarre Creations  went under they created a new Studio free of Activisions grasp. I'd like to see BioWare free of EA Games.. their quality in games has plummeted considerably. I use to love them.. now they are just another developer.  BioWare is nothing like they used to be and I don't see how old time fans can even like the new BioWare.. you bet your butt if EA were not involved in all this you'd see all of BioWares games on Steam.. 

I can't help but + that. At this point I think it'd really be best for Bioware to die and rise again as a free studio under a different name. 

Oftentimes that isn't quite how things end up progressing.

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...
 Like i said, I would instanly buy the game on steam rightnow, post the receipe on this forum etc....but i cant

EA would still get money.

So what this boils down to is whether you really are opposed to giving EA money (which you did when you bought ME2) or whether you just want free stuff.

If its the former, then make a point - don't buy ME3, and don't pirate it. Have nothing to do with EA at all. 

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

I've started doing this from october 2011 and ME3 will be my very first illegal download. It is the second game that needs origin. Like i said, I intent to purchase every game this year that I wish to play as long as it has nothing to do with origin. Case closed!

It doesn't matter if its your first or your hundredth.

You aren't willing to pay for ME3. Therefore you do not deserve to play it.

You have yet to provide an actual reason as to why you have the right to play ME3 for free.

If you have any respect for Bioware or the gaming industry you'll either make do with Origin (hardly that big of a deal) or make do without ME3.

Anything else is a massive middle finger to Bioware and the developers that have poured years into this series.

nononoono, I am willing to pay for the game yet I am NOT willing to use origin. Due to the sad fact that I do need to use Origin It makes no sence to me to buy the game. Lucky me, via the illegal way I can still play the game without ever having to see origin. 

[Pixieking]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...
 Like i said, I would instanly buy the game on steam rightnow, post the receipe on this forum etc....but i cant

EA would still get money.

So what this boils down to is whether you really are opposed to giving EA money (which you did when you bought ME2) or whether you just want free stuff.

If its the former, then make a point - don't buy ME3, and don't pirate it. Have nothing to do with EA at all. 

It depends. Is the reason he would buy it on Steam down to EA's monopoly on DLC? Since that's the sticking point for it not being on Steam, if ME3 were on Steam, it would mean DLC available from other places, at which point you give money to EA to congratulate them for doing something you wanted. Like giving a dog treats for doing something smart.

[Kandid001]

I wonder what will happen to our games if some day EA decides that they cannot compete with Valve's Steam and discontinue the Origin "service". Will people just lose access to their games? Will the keys be still usable? Will they grant us one time access to download our games and play them without copy protection? Does Origin have an official say on this? Because Steam guarantees that all games tied to a Steam account will be temporarily available for download if the Steam service is discontinued.

All the concerns about privacy aside, Origin is still far from a stable program right now, and it's disgusting that EA uses us as guinea pigs to test it by making it mandatory to play their major releases.

[raz3r]

casadechrisso wrote...

raz3r_ wrote...

Let's keep it simple:

Bioware chooses Steam:
Audience reaction: OMG why Steam? I don't want Steam, PREORDER CANCELED!

Bioware chooses Origin:
Audience reaction: OMG Origin? Are you serious? I'm gonna pirate this game, PREORDER CANCELED!

Bioware chooses nothing:
Audience reaction: WTF? I want all of my games to be on Steam! I am not gonna buy it, PREORDER CANCELED!

Now, everyone, can you notice the difference? Because I can't. Just accept their decision and stop blaming about who did what. Enjoy the game, because you all will, right now you guys are whining at Bioware because of Origin or whatever but I bet on 6 March you will be sitted on your desk playing the final chapter of one of the best videogame series ever made.

It's simple. Don't force any of it but give us the option to buy either on Steam OR on Origin OR on any other online store OR the box. Others do it too y'know, I can buy the Witcher wherever and in whatever form I want. 

It's not that simple, be clever please, Bioware is not CDProject, Bioware is an Electronic Arts's division, a divison who has just released his shop. Do you seriously believe EA will avoid a chance to sell a game like Mass Effect 3 on Origin? They need new users and that's the only way to fast gather them.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

N0-Future wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Yet people moan, complain, threaten devs with piracy, insult, rage. I dont understand this at all.

Incognito JC wrote...

A couple of things.

• For
  those posters that aren't bothered to read through the thread or use
  their higher cognitive process before posting, many are against Origin,
  and NOT Steam, because Steam asks for permission to ransack your PC for
  data. Origin does it ANYWAY without asking. If you are even bothered to
  read through the thread, you would learn that people have done tests
  sometime ago and learnt that Origin goes through your private files on
  your PC, outside of the Origin program folder, via a process monitoring
  program.
  
  For the more recent posts that Origin only scans its own
  folders, who is to say it won't scan others. It has been proven to do
  so before. And no, don't ask for image links. It has been posted on this
  thread, and you would have seen it if you bothered reading through.
  
• For
  those people that said, "what's the big deal with privacy, you use
  sites such as Facebook, etc etc", here's the thing, YOU control what
  information you want to release to public on sites such as Facebook. And
  as a matter of fact, I don't use Facebook myself. I have an account,
  but it does not have my personal information. Just my name, and it's
  used just to keep in touch with people I know. I do not have the
  compulsion to show and tell the public everytime I take a photo of
  myself in the toilet, or everytime I drink a can of beer.
  
• For
  those people who says, "you're a pirate so you don't want Origin
  scanning your files lool". What a load of bull. We care about what it
  scans because we might have important information on our PC. It is no
  secret that nowadays no major corporations can prevent their database
  from being hacked. With your logic, why don't you leave your house doors
  open, you have nothing to hide right? God forbid that you may have
  sensitive and/or banking information in your house. Just let strangers
  wander in anytime to take what they want. Because, hey, you have nothing
  to hide.
  
• As for those ignorant enough to say we can opt
  out of sharing data on Origin; no we can't. Mr. Priestly's carefully
  worded post said that we can only opt out of ME3 data sharing, which, to
  be honest, I do not have a single issue with. Feel free to take my ME3
  statistics, how I play the game and whatnot. Origin on the other hand,
  mines for data that are, bluntly put, none of their damn business.
  
• For
  those who said, "what's the big deal, switch to console". Not all PC
  gamers have console. Most PC gamers choose the PC because they do not
  like playing on consoles. Switching would mean paying more for the
  console itself, and paying more for games, because PC games are still
  cheaper. In ME3's case, I CAN'T switch. I have a PS3, but my ME1/ME2
  saves are for the PC.

Again, I've said it countless times, and
I'm not the only one; DRM do not prevent piracy, it promotes piracy.
Pirates will do what they do best, and excel at it. It's us as the
paying consumers that gets harmed. A CD check is more than enough,
because ME2 was great with just that.

Many of you do forget that,
it's our own money that comes out of the pocket to pay for the game. We
should not have to pay for a product and go through all the trouble to
make our gaming experience more pleasant. If Origin really does prove
itself to not be a spyware like so many
claims it to be, then good, I may be able to play a great game after
all.

Lastly,
if you do not have problems with Origin, or if you do not play on the
PC, good for you, refrain from posting in here. This news does not
concern you whatsoever. All you do is bait arguments.

[*]Very well said... Kudos.

[*]Badly said future. Ive read an entire thread and I know what im talking about. I'm not an origin or steam fanboy like most people here.

[JeffZero]

Yeah, lucky you, Gamerpru. Thanks for potentially helping to bring about an even tighter EA-helmed noose in future years.

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...
 Like i said, I would instanly buy the game on steam rightnow, post the receipe on this forum etc....but i cant

EA would still get money.

So what this boils down to is whether you really are opposed to giving EA money (which you did when you bought ME2) or whether you just want free stuff.

If its the former, then make a point - don't buy ME3, and don't pirate it. Have nothing to do with EA at all. 

I know, I have alreade said that EA would get their money in that way. I have also already said that I buy EA game that do not demand the use of origin. The way I see this development going is that EA will make all their games origin exclusive from now on. Well....saves me some money from now on. 

[Zannana]

Gamerpru we heard you and now you can go, leave this forum, there is no use repeating the same things. I personally think that you should get banned because you blatantly proclaim that you will pirate this game and I take offense in that. If you dont agree with Origin then dont buy the game.

[Aargh12]

raz3r_ wrote...
That's you and I understand your opinion, but you must understand that they simply cannot listen to everyone in the world.

Let's keep it simple:

Bioware chooses Steam:
Audience reaction: OMG why Steam? I don't want Steam, PREORDER CANCELED!

Bioware chooses Origin:
Audience reaction: OMG Origin? Are you serious? I'm gonna pirate this game, PREORDER CANCELED!

Bioware chooses nothing:
Audience reaction: WTF? I want all of my games to be on Steam! I am not gonna buy it, PREORDER CANCELED!

I don't think you understand. People who complain don't mind if the game is released on Origin or Steam. They just don't accept that the game will require it to run the game. 
And I'm with them. I don't mind if the game was released on Origin and taht version required it to run. The same goes for Steam. But I don't want retail games to require it. Simple enough?

Now, everyone, can you notice the difference? Because I can't. Just accept their decision and stop blaming about who did what. Enjoy the game, because you all will, right now you guys are whining at Bioware because of Origin or whatever but I bet on 6 March you will be sitted on your desk playing the final chapter of one of the best videogame series ever made.

Speak for yourself. I'm not video game addict to buy whatever game that gets released, no matter what DRM it uses. I'm going to live without ME3. There are better games coming out this years and most of them won't make me install another software on my computer.

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

I've started doing this from october 2011 and ME3 will be my very first illegal download. It is the second game that needs origin. Like i said, I intent to purchase every game this year that I wish to play as long as it has nothing to do with origin. Case closed!

It doesn't matter if its your first or your hundredth.

You aren't willing to pay for ME3. Therefore you do not deserve to play it.

You have yet to provide an actual reason as to why you have the right to play ME3 for free.

If you have any respect for Bioware or the gaming industry you'll either make do with Origin (hardly that big of a deal) or make do without ME3.

Anything else is a massive middle finger to Bioware and the developers that have poured years into this series.

nononoono, I am willing to pay for the game yet I am NOT willing to use origin. Due to the sad fact that I do need to use Origin It makes no sence to me to buy the game. Lucky me, via the illegal way I can still play the game without ever having to see origin. 

So you'd rather just give a massive middle finger to Bioware than stand by your principles of being willing to pay for a game?

Thats... saddening.

[Mister Mida]

JeffZero wrote...

Me and principles go way back, sir. I've refused a hell of a lot of niceties over the years out of principle. Sat down and had a nice, long mental monologue with myself over what to do in this case. On principle, I decided it'd harm the gaming industry more to assist in the collapse of a damn fine developer caught in the crossfire than the sign-wielding alternative of not purchasing the game. Had a long thought on that one. Looked over the history of collapsed developers who could have made more great works but whose doors were shut prematurely.

Besides, I play on 360. According to one of your fellows on here, I ought not to post else I'm "troll-baiting". Contrary to my posts last night in which I fully supported Killjoy Cutter's detailed analysis of the situation and wished luck to all you protestors for fighting the good fight. I still do at that. Our views may have brought us to two separate conclusions regarding the greater good, but I assure you kind Mister, our motivations are equally just. I have no desire to support Origin. I almost cancelled my copy, even, and I'm not even a PC gamer. 

I'm on of those 360 gamers as well and I'll play ME3 on a 360. So I do this purely out of principle. And you can make a decision based on your principles. But asking others to set aside their principles so they can help you save your favourite dev is just silly.

[GirlPower23]

Kandid001 wrote...

I wonder what will happen to our games if some day EA decides that they cannot compete with Valve's Steam and discontinue the Origin "service". Will people just lose access to their games? Will the keys be still usable? Will they grant us one time access to download our games and play them without copy protection? Does Origin have an official say on this? Because Steam guarantees that all games tied to a Steam account will be temporarily available for download if the Steam service is discontinued.

All the concerns about privacy aside, Origin is still far from a stable program right now, and it's disgusting that EA uses us as guinea pigs to test it by making it mandatory to play their major releases.

They will rebrand it and try to advertise it as something better than their previous attempts. This is only the fourth rebranding. 

[Gamerpru]

JeffZero wrote...

Yeah, lucky you, Gamerpru. Thanks for potentially helping to bring about an even tighter EA-helmed noose in future years.

oooh so now it my fault? I'm the one that was planning to buy the game earlier this week. Sure m8, you keep thining that an keep feeding the business. Next year the turnover will be bigger and the lease cars faster. Wake the **** up dude and open your eyes.

[casadechrisso]

If you want EA to listen to us and stop forcing Origin on us, all your sandboxing or pirating+buying or other ways to prevent Origin from actually running on your comp won't help the cause at all. EA will only see "ah, they buy so they accept it". If you want EA to stop forcing stuff on you, the only way is sadly not buying at all (or get the console version if you must).
Also, I simply refuse to go through all the trouble setting up a sandbox for Origin or whatever, I mean, how much of a sick addict am I? No way, no money from me before I start stuff like that.
And even if I won't ever promote or support that, but if EA really doesn't see how many potential customers they turn into pirates this way simply because it's the only way they get a hassle-free gaming experience... how dumb are they? To me this only proves again that piracy can't be the issue and reason they force Origin on us, because it must be clear to them that the result is the opposite.
Who knows, maybe catching pirates has become the better business than legal sales by now, a new business model?

[Incognito JC]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Badly said future. Ive read an entire thread and I know what im talking about. I'm not an origin or steam fanboy like most people here.

Oh please. Not the entire post was directed at you. It was for you to understand why people are complaining. Get over yourself.

[raz3r]

Aargh12 wrote...

raz3r_ wrote...
That's you and I understand your opinion, but you must understand that they simply cannot listen to everyone in the world.

Let's keep it simple:

Bioware chooses Steam:
Audience reaction: OMG why Steam? I don't want Steam, PREORDER CANCELED!

Bioware chooses Origin:
Audience reaction: OMG Origin? Are you serious? I'm gonna pirate this game, PREORDER CANCELED!

Bioware chooses nothing:
Audience reaction: WTF? I want all of my games to be on Steam! I am not gonna buy it, PREORDER CANCELED!

I don't think you understand. People who complain don't mind if the game is released on Origin or Steam. They just don't accept that the game will require it to run the game. 
And I'm with them. I don't mind if the game was released on Origin and taht version required it to run. The same goes for Steam. But I don't want retail games to require it. Simple enough?

Now, everyone, can you notice the difference? Because I can't. Just accept their decision and stop blaming about who did what. Enjoy the game, because you all will, right now you guys are whining at Bioware because of Origin or whatever but I bet on 6 March you will be sitted on your desk playing the final chapter of one of the best videogame series ever made.

Speak for yourself. I'm not video game addict to buy whatever game that gets released, no matter what DRM it uses. I'm going to live without ME3. There are better games coming out this years and most of them won't make me install another software on my computer.

And what is the problem having Origin running on your PC? Really I don't get it, what is wrong with a one more *.exe on your processes list? And please, don't start with "it's a spyware!!!111" because I am not that stupid. I guess many people here just want to flame because they have other reasons.

[Zannana]

For those people who say that Origin has changed and it isnt so intrusive I just want to say that nothing stops EA from changing it back without letting you know. Also, from what I have seen the EULA is against my country`s privacy laws as well so it being sold in my country should be a problem for the company...

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

I've started doing this from october 2011 and ME3 will be my very first illegal download. It is the second game that needs origin. Like i said, I intent to purchase every game this year that I wish to play as long as it has nothing to do with origin. Case closed!

It doesn't matter if its your first or your hundredth.

You aren't willing to pay for ME3. Therefore you do not deserve to play it.

You have yet to provide an actual reason as to why you have the right to play ME3 for free.

If you have any respect for Bioware or the gaming industry you'll either make do with Origin (hardly that big of a deal) or make do without ME3.

Anything else is a massive middle finger to Bioware and the developers that have poured years into this series.

nononoono, I am willing to pay for the game yet I am NOT willing to use origin. Due to the sad fact that I do need to use Origin It makes no sence to me to buy the game. Lucky me, via the illegal way I can still play the game without ever having to see origin. 

So you'd rather just give a massive middle finger to Bioware than stand by your principles of being willing to pay for a game?

Thats... saddening.

no, i love bioware and all their good games. I have bought numerous of Bioware games before. They are sadly stuck in the middel of the decisions this giant of a horrible commercial company that EA has become is nowadays. 

[Gamerpru]

Zannana wrote...

Gamerpru we heard you and now you can go, leave this forum, there is no use repeating the same things. I personally think that you should get banned because you blatantly proclaim that you will pirate this game and I take offense in that. If you dont agree with Origin then dont buy the game.

 a ban is soon to follow of course. Big deal

[Shepard the Leper]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

But if people want to take this moral high ground then they need to not buy and NOT PIRATE IT.

Thats the only way to get the message across. Piracy has just made the DRM problem worse, which pushes up piracy, which pushes up DRM.

If sales and piracy went down, then perhaps the publishers would finally cotton on to the fact that we don't like the DRM forced on us.

DRM has no impact, whatsoever, on piracy. It has only made things worse. Furthermore, piracy does not have a bad impact on sales - every single INDEPENDENT study has found zero evidence. The data even suggest it has a positive effect on sales (those who pirate a lot, usually buy a lot too).

Origin has nothing to do with piracy, it would be forced upon us even if piracy did not exist. This is what Valve's CEO - Gabe Newell -said recently:

"[..] the way to end piracy is to provide a service that's more complete than cracked software, and that restrictive DRM only encourages more piracy."

read the full article here : www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem

The main problem is that you'll get a better product when using a pirated version - easy to install, best performance, no restrictions whatsoever. I recall one of my friends bought a high-end notebook a few years ago. It was one of the first with a full HD screen and a build-in BR player. The problem was, legit BR discs stuttered continuously because of the build-in DRM. The only way to watch movies normally was to rip the BR disc, remove the DRM and play it from the harddrive. That's silly isn't it?

[MassStorm]

abaris wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

LOL what a bunch of hypocrites, we all know you will end up playing that game one way or another.

Speak for yourself.

Oh i will speak for myself since i have preordered ME3 and will play it with Origin. Myself i have not bought Skyrim nor Deus Ex and NOT even played both of them because of Steam so i think i'm entitled to say that

Modifié par MassStorm, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:35 .

[Candidate 88766]

Zannana wrote...

Gamerpru we heard you and now you can go, leave this forum, there is no use repeating the same things. I personally think that you should get banned because you blatantly proclaim that you will pirate this game and I take offense in that. If you dont agree with Origin then dont buy the game.

I reported him about an hour ago.

The fact that he's willing to pirate ME3 is a massive middle finger to the team that has spent years on it.

The fact that he feels he has a right to be part of this community as well makes it even worse.