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[Alex Arterius]

Can't we just like... get the game... but like... without any of the attached software?

So just to clarify, the game yeah.. Mass Effect 3, well, can we get that? and like, not get anything else? Just that, cus that's all I really want.. it's just sorta that I didn't really ask for Origin and uhhhh I don't understand why this is being offered and part of the uh "deal" when I aint asked for it... sort of thing yeah... okay coool

seeya

[Mister Mida]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

Origin has nothing to do with piracy, it would be forced upon us even if
piracy did not exist. This is what Valve's CEO - Gabe Newell -said
recently:

"[..] the way to end piracy is to provide a service
that's more complete than cracked software, and that restrictive DRM
only encourages more piracy."

read the full article here : www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem

I've seen this statement come up plenty of times and I always found it to be hypocrite, especially since you need to 'ask permission' if you want to play a game bought from his service.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:36 .

[Gamerpru]

casadechrisso wrote...

If you want EA to listen to us and stop forcing Origin on us, all your sandboxing or pirating+buying or other ways to prevent Origin from actually running on your comp won't help the cause at all. EA will only see "ah, they buy so they accept it". If you want EA to stop forcing stuff on you, the only way is sadly not buying at all (or get the console version if you must).
Also, I simply refuse to go through all the trouble setting up a sandbox for Origin or whatever, I mean, how much of a sick addict am I? No way, no money from me before I start stuff like that.
And even if I won't ever promote or support that, but if EA really doesn't see how many potential customers they turn into pirates this way simply because it's the only way they get a hassle-free gaming experience... how dumb are they? To me this only proves again that piracy can't be the issue and reason they force Origin on us, because it must be clear to them that the result is the opposite.
Who knows, maybe catching pirates has become the better business than legal sales by now, a new business model?

in the case that I download the game, for EA this means me not buying the game. Like Charlie alreayd told us before: "I'm winning!!!!" so plus 1 for me, because I still get to play the game that demand origin. EA will still have their dollars and all the goals they have every year. Both parties happy right?

[Candidate 88766]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

But if people want to take this moral high ground then they need to not buy and NOT PIRATE IT.

Thats the only way to get the message across. Piracy has just made the DRM problem worse, which pushes up piracy, which pushes up DRM.

If sales and piracy went down, then perhaps the publishers would finally cotton on to the fact that we don't like the DRM forced on us.

DRM has no impact, whatsoever, on piracy. It has only made things worse. Furthermore, piracy does not have a bad impact on sales - every single INDEPENDENT study has found zero evidence. The data even suggest it has a positive effect on sales (those who pirate a lot, usually buy a lot too).

Origin has nothing to do with piracy, it would be forced upon us even if piracy did not exist. This is what Valve's CEO - Gabe Newell -said recently:

"[..] the way to end piracy is to provide a service that's more complete than cracked software, and that restrictive DRM only encourages more piracy."

read the full article here : www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem

The main problem is that you'll get a better product when using a pirated version - easy to install, best performance, no restrictions whatsoever. I recall one of my friends bought a high-end notebook a few years ago. It was one of the first with a full HD screen and a build-in BR player. The problem was, legit BR discs stuttered continuously because of the build-in DRM. The only way to watch movies normally was to rip the BR disc, remove the DRM and play it from the harddrive. That's silly isn't it?

Never said DRM reduces piracy.

What I said was that piracy leads to increased DRM, which leads to increased piracy, which leads to increase DRM, which leads...

If people want this to stop - and they should - then they should stop pirating games. It will just punish us consumers even more.

[ETermin]

 Good bye Bioware. Nothing against you just EA. Also i think this fits perfectly.

[austinsj82]

Emoking wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...
 Like i said, I would instanly buy the game on steam rightnow, post the receipe on this forum etc....but i cant

EA would still get money.

So what this boils down to is whether you really are opposed to giving EA money (which you did when you bought ME2) or whether you just want free stuff.

If its the former, then make a point - don't buy ME3, and don't pirate it. Have nothing to do with EA at all. 

It depends. Is the reason he would buy it on Steam down to EA's monopoly on DLC? Since that's the sticking point for it not being on Steam, if ME3 were on Steam, it would mean DLC available from other places, at which point you give money to EA to congratulate them for doing something you wanted. Like giving a dog treats for doing something smart.

But this is where the arguement falls on its face. I own both mass effect's on steam and you cannot buy any dlc for them through the steam client, only through the BSN site with bioware points, and afaik it was like that with the patches too, you had to download the patches off of this site. So this whole "steam restricts direct interaction with our customers" is garbage because it has nothing to do with content delivery for any of bioware's games (i also own dragon age on steam and it's the same situation)

[casadechrisso]

raz3r_ wrote...

It's not that simple, be clever please, Bioware is not CDProject, Bioware is an Electronic Arts's division, a divison who has just released his shop. Do you seriously believe EA will avoid a chance to sell a game like Mass Effect 3 on Origin? They need new users and that's the only way to fast gather them.

They can release it in their store if they like, nobody complains about them offering it there. But they won't force that piece of software on me against my will, so in the end it's their loss if they lose sales because they're too stubborn to sell it without the spyware. 

[Weiser_Cain]

I don't want Origin.

[Incognito JC]

ETermin wrote...

 Good bye Bioware. Nothing against you just EA. Also i think this fits perfectly.

:lol:

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

If you want EA to listen to us and stop forcing Origin on us, all your sandboxing or pirating+buying or other ways to prevent Origin from actually running on your comp won't help the cause at all. EA will only see "ah, they buy so they accept it". If you want EA to stop forcing stuff on you, the only way is sadly not buying at all (or get the console version if you must).
Also, I simply refuse to go through all the trouble setting up a sandbox for Origin or whatever, I mean, how much of a sick addict am I? No way, no money from me before I start stuff like that.
And even if I won't ever promote or support that, but if EA really doesn't see how many potential customers they turn into pirates this way simply because it's the only way they get a hassle-free gaming experience... how dumb are they? To me this only proves again that piracy can't be the issue and reason they force Origin on us, because it must be clear to them that the result is the opposite.
Who knows, maybe catching pirates has become the better business than legal sales by now, a new business model?

in the case that I download the game, for EA this means me not buying the game. Like Charlie alreayd told us before: "I'm winning!!!!" so plus 1 for me, because I still get to play the game that demand origin. EA will still have their dollars and all the goals they have every year. Both parties happy right?

Except Bioware - the people that devoted years to the game you so desperately want. They miss out on the money they should've earned from the copy that you downloaded instead of bought.

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Zannana wrote...

Gamerpru we heard you and now you can go, leave this forum, there is no use repeating the same things. I personally think that you should get banned because you blatantly proclaim that you will pirate this game and I take offense in that. If you dont agree with Origin then dont buy the game.

I reported him about an hour ago.

The fact that he's willing to pirate ME3 is a massive middle finger to the team that has spent years on it.

The fact that he feels he has a right to be part of this community as well makes it even worse.

oooh, did you go and tell on me . 
I'm willing to buy the game, but I not willing to put it on origin. I cant do without origin, so I download the game. Like i said, dont make origin mandatory and all is fine again
Who said I every wanted to be a part of this community? I just googled to see what was up with me3 and origin and I got this forum as a result. Just give me these couple of hours to rage a bitt

[raz3r]

casadechrisso wrote...

raz3r_ wrote...

It's not that simple, be clever please, Bioware is not CDProject, Bioware is an Electronic Arts's division, a divison who has just released his shop. Do you seriously believe EA will avoid a chance to sell a game like Mass Effect 3 on Origin? They need new users and that's the only way to fast gather them.

They can release it in their store if they like, nobody complains about them offering it there. But they won't force that piece of software on me against my will, so in the end it's their loss if they lose sales because they're too stubborn to sell it without the spyware. 

The fact that you define Origin as "spyware" speaks for itself, it's a waste of time trying to explain.

[shepskisaac]

Still no answer? Will post again then :/

To Chris Priestly:

1) If we do not intend to use multiplayer, can we uninstall Origin after completing one time single authorization for the single player game?

2) Also, will I have to install Origin EVERY TIME I install Mass Effect 3, or after one time single authorization I will no longer have to install Origin ever again?

It's REALLY important to us Chris

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...

no, i love bioware and all their good games. I have bought numerous of Bioware games before. They are sadly stuck in the middel of the decisions this giant of a horrible commercial company that EA has become is nowadays. 

Then don't punish Bioware for EA's decisions.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:40 .

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

If you want EA to listen to us and stop forcing Origin on us, all your sandboxing or pirating+buying or other ways to prevent Origin from actually running on your comp won't help the cause at all. EA will only see "ah, they buy so they accept it". If you want EA to stop forcing stuff on you, the only way is sadly not buying at all (or get the console version if you must).
Also, I simply refuse to go through all the trouble setting up a sandbox for Origin or whatever, I mean, how much of a sick addict am I? No way, no money from me before I start stuff like that.
And even if I won't ever promote or support that, but if EA really doesn't see how many potential customers they turn into pirates this way simply because it's the only way they get a hassle-free gaming experience... how dumb are they? To me this only proves again that piracy can't be the issue and reason they force Origin on us, because it must be clear to them that the result is the opposite.
Who knows, maybe catching pirates has become the better business than legal sales by now, a new business model?

in the case that I download the game, for EA this means me not buying the game. Like Charlie alreayd told us before: "I'm winning!!!!" so plus 1 for me, because I still get to play the game that demand origin. EA will still have their dollars and all the goals they have every year. Both parties happy right?

Except Bioware - the people that devoted years to the game you so desperately want. They miss out on the money they should've earned from the copy that you downloaded instead of bought.

well lets just hope that the ceo of bioware arranges a meeting with dicks over at EA. Perhaps in this way I can still legally purchase this amazing game. But that will not happen, as me buying this game.

Modifié par Gamerpru, 14 janvier 2012 - 02:41 .

[Incognito JC]

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Never said DRM reduces piracy.

What I said was that piracy leads to increased DRM, which leads to increased piracy, which leads to increase DRM, which leads...

If people want this to stop - and they should - then they should stop pirating games. It will just punish us consumers even more.

If you will read your own post again, it's really a chicken, egg, egg, chicken discussion. People can easily say that for this to stop, they should put some slack on DRM. In fact, that was what CD Projeckt did with Witcher 2. Endless cycle, endless argument. Nobody is truly right.

[Aargh12]

raz3r_ wrote...
And what is the problem having Origin running on your PC? Really I don't get it, what is wrong with a one more *.exe on your processes list? And please, don't start with "it's a spyware!!!111" because I am not that stupid. I guess many people here just want to flame because they have other reasons.

a) Because I know the game would do fine without Origin. It won't use any special functions of it as Origin doesn;t have any (Steam at least has achievements and Cloud that can store my saves)
That .exe is just another junk process that takes memory of my rig. And I don't have a rig that powerful to launch tons of software
c) It collects data WITHOUT my consent. I don't care what data - I didn't allow it to do that, yet it does
d) Supporting Origin will show other publishers that they can do the same - make another DRM client and force their games onto them. It's basically dividing PC into smaller platform, all of which having exclusives. Why the hell would I want separate clients for Activision's, Ubisoft's, EA's, Zenimax (Bethesda), etc, games when all of them could be done without them.

I support Steam and Origin but only as an option, not a requirement. Especially for retail games.
And that's why I love GOG.

[Incognito JC]

IsaacShep wrote...

Still no answer? Will post again then :/

To Chris Priestly:

1) If we do not intend to use multiplayer, can we uninstall Origin after completing one time single authorization for the single player game?

2) Also, will I have to install Origin EVERY TIME I install Mass Effect 3, or after one time single authorization I will no longer have to install Origin ever again?

It's REALLY important to us Chris

Chris is nowhere to be found on this thread after his post some ten pages back.

[casadechrisso]

raz3r_ wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

raz3r_ wrote...

It's not that simple, be clever please, Bioware is not CDProject, Bioware is an Electronic Arts's division, a divison who has just released his shop. Do you seriously believe EA will avoid a chance to sell a game like Mass Effect 3 on Origin? They need new users and that's the only way to fast gather them.

They can release it in their store if they like, nobody complains about them offering it there. But they won't force that piece of software on me against my will, so in the end it's their loss if they lose sales because they're too stubborn to sell it without the spyware. 

The fact that you define Origin as "spyware" speaks for itself, it's a waste of time trying to explain.

sorry, you lost me. 

[Candidate 88766]

Gamerpru wrote...
oooh, did you go and tell on me . 
I'm willing to buy the game, but I not willing to put it on origin. I cant do without origin, so I download the game. Like i said, dont make origin mandatory and all is fine again
Who said I every wanted to be a part of this community? I just googled to see what was up with me3 and origin and I got this forum as a result. Just give me these couple of hours to rage a bitt

On the one hand you say you love Bioware and want to support them.

On the other hand you want the game they've spent years on for free.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

[MassStorm]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

I don't want Origin.

Well i did not want Steam in my Deus Ex Augmented Edition hard copy that i have canceled the past year...i guess we cannot always get what we want....DEAL WITH IT!

[Clive Howlitzer]

casadechrisso wrote...

Well, once again directly. 

Chris, I'm sorry but I don't buy it. Anything from the Steam issue to Origin being nice and friendly. 

The Steam issue: You really want us to believe that EA and only EA left Steam due to unacceptable new terms and condtions on Valve's side, while no other big company that (surprisingly!) isn't currently trying to force a direct Steam competition on it's customers seems to have any issue ith it? Is Bethesda maybe one of those little indie developers who are forced by the evil Valve to keep selling their DLCs to me on Steam? Oh poor Bethesda, evil Steam. 

No, I don't buy it, repeat it as much as you want. I know Valve, monopolist or not, still as a user-friendly company that tries to appeal to it's customer base with special offers, fair conditions and some things that actually make a gamer's life easier, while EA has never done anything that suggested they actually care for their customers. Everything I see from EA is force and all but likeable.

I wouldn't even consider for one second bringing this issue to the Steam boards, because the fact that only EA, one of the most user-unfriendly publishers of them all, who's currently trying to force Origin on us with brute force, is having an issue with Steam's policy tells the whole story. And even if EA had a point in this matter, I still wouldn't care and say "suck it up" because EA never had my sympathies, they ruined that actively. If Bethesda and others can sell their DLC on Steam, EA can too, they just don't want to. Period. 

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Now to Origin. There is no need to prove you that the current version is spying on us, because as long as the EULA gives you all the rights to do that, you can show us a spyware-free version today and update it to the worst malware tomorrow. And we're not even allowed to sue you for it.
And if you want to sue us, you can drag us in front of a US court even if we live outside the US - at least that's what your EULA says. As long as this kind of EULA exists, I don't even care what Origin actually does and what not, you want the rights to do whatever you like. "Oh, of course we would never do that!"... yeah yeah... if you're so nice and want us to believe that, scratch that EULA, it shouldn't exist. 

Oh right, and if we get mad about that and use the F-word on the EA forums, we get thrown out and lose our $150 worth in games. 
Ah right, that was an unintended accident? You already said that one year ago when users who complained about DA2 suddenly lost access to their games. Right, accident, big apologies after it went to the media. Very strange that now, one year later, users who use the F-word still lose access to their game library and history repeats. Big apologies again, yeah yeah... no, I don't buy it. EA does what they want, they grant themselves the rights to do so in the EULA, and only if the media catches wind of it they force one of the nice Bioware developers everyone likes to make an apology to calm the waves. I don't buy it. 



And to the few generation Facebook people here with that "I don't care, I have nothing to hide" attitude... thanks for ruining our lives, if you just cared a little bit, it wouldn't be possible for EA to treat their loyal customers like mindless sheep. 
BTW, Facebook.... comparing Origin to Facebook or Google Chrome makes no sense at all. I can freely decide whether or not I want to use facebook, but no company forces me to use facebook only to have access to my daily news site. If you want to use Origin, please do, but most of us want to use Mass Effect 3 and not Origin. Tha's the difference. 

As for Chrome, never used it, never even got tempted. There are dozens of web browsers and again, nobody tries to force me into using Chrome only for accessing my daily news site. 

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Needless to say I won't support ME3 and it's a hard decision not to buy it on day 1 directly. Even though I'm german and we have some advantage regarding the EULA, it's a matter of principles not supporting the current way EA takes. Sorry for you, Bioware, and I'm sorry too that I have to argue with devs I love, but all you say is EA talk and Bioware is just not what you were anymore. Another company slowly but steadily ruined by EA. 

Well, so much for my little nerdrage. I still love you Bioware guys, please stop feeding us EA blabla, better stop talking at all before you do. 

100% agree. I will unfortunately not be purchasing Mass Effect 3 so long as these practices are in place. I am one of those who will actually stand by it also. It sucks because I really really wanted to play Mass Effect 3. It'd be nice of gamers would let EA know how they feel for once with their wallets.

[Gamerpru]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...
oooh, did you go and tell on me . 
I'm willing to buy the game, but I not willing to put it on origin. I cant do without origin, so I download the game. Like i said, dont make origin mandatory and all is fine again
Who said I every wanted to be a part of this community? I just googled to see what was up with me3 and origin and I got this forum as a result. Just give me these couple of hours to rage a bitt

On the one hand you say you love Bioware and want to support them.

On the other hand you want the game they've spent years on for free.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

NO, i dont want the game for free. I'm willing to pay for it, but i'm not willing to accept origin. This leave me with 1 choose. Getting it for free

[Candidate 88766]

Incognito JC wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Never said DRM reduces piracy.

What I said was that piracy leads to increased DRM, which leads to increased piracy, which leads to increase DRM, which leads...

If people want this to stop - and they should - then they should stop pirating games. It will just punish us consumers even more.

If you will read your own post again, it's really a chicken, egg, egg, chicken discussion. People can easily say that for this to stop, they should put some slack on DRM. In fact, that was what CD Projeckt did with Witcher 2. Endless cycle, endless argument. Nobody is truly right.

Irrelevant of which one first led to the other, an increase in one leads to an increase in the other.

The publishers aren't going to reduce DRM, so its up to the consumers to take the moral highground.

[shepskisaac]

Aargh12 wrote...

d) Supporting Origin will show other publishers that they can do the same - make another DRM client and force their games onto them. It's basically dividing PC into smaller platform, all of which having exclusives. Why the hell would I want separate clients for Activision's, Ubisoft's, EA's, Zenimax (Bethesda), etc, games when all of them could be done without them.

Seriosuly this. If Origin succeeds, you people do realize other publishers will follow? We will have a separate "platform to speak with our customers because Evil Steam is too restrictive" from EVERY major publisher, and eventually they will lock their games out of any other 3rd party digital download service. Guess what will happen with prices when publishers sell their games ONLY on their own stores. Ohh yeah.