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[shepskisaac]

MassStorm wrote...

LOL what a bunch of hypocrites, we all know you will end up playing that game one way or another.

U sure? People were saying the same thing about Ubisoft boycott crowd. And then Ubisoft PC sales ACTUALLY did plummet 90%. So yeah, there's a moment when these ain't empty threats anymore

[Weiser_Cain]

MassStorm wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

I don't want Origin.

Well i did not want Steam in my Deus Ex Augmented Edition hard copy that i have canceled the past year...i guess we cannot always get what we want....DEAL WITH IT!

It's called keeping my money kid. That's how I deal with it.
Having steam installed, I can already see the downside of having an always-running store/drm tool in the background. I'll pass. If bioware wants my money they can release it on steam or as a stand-alone product.

[abaris]

raz3r_ wrote...

It's not that simple, be clever please, Bioware is not CDProject, Bioware is an Electronic Arts's division, a divison who has just released his shop. Do you seriously believe EA will avoid a chance to sell a game like Mass Effect 3 on Origin? They need new users and that's the only way to fast gather them.

Sure, but as it is with the market. I can choose not to buy.

And if the product comes with strings attached, it's certainly the right option for me. It's not as if my life depended on it and I won't join the drop your pants crowd simply to play a darn game. Same goes for steam before anyone asks.

I leave that to generation facebook.

[jamskinner]

Just run the dang thing on another installed partition if you are so worried about EA looking at all your pirated games.

[casadechrisso]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Shepard the Leper wrote...

Origin has nothing to do with piracy, it would be forced upon us even if
piracy did not exist. This is what Valve's CEO - Gabe Newell -said
recently:

"[..] the way to end piracy is to provide a service
that's more complete than cracked software, and that restrictive DRM
only encourages more piracy."

read the full article here : www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem

I've seen this statement come up plenty of times and I always found it to be hypocrite, especially since you need to 'ask permission' if you want to play a game bought from his service.

It is hypocrite - coming from the founder of the Steam kartel. I'm against any restriction, and Steam has already ruined the potential of one of my favorite game series - Total War games now require Steam, which has greatly reduced modability, something that made previous installments so great because you basically got dozens of games for the price of one (and much better versions than the original).

I only posted the link to dismiss the "Origin is needed to deal with piracy" claim and who better to quote than Valve's CEO

I believe him. Why? Since using Steam I updated even the last illegal copy I had lying around from years ago to legal status. Steam is convenient, Steam is easy to use, Steam has great deals and when I looked at some burnt disc late at night and thought "damn, I should buy it now that I have the money", I could just do exactly that with two clicks. 
I'm no Steam fanboy at all and usually I buy new games still in the box, but yeah, Steam is responsible for the absolute lack of illegal games on my comp since... quite a while, basically since I started using it.

[Clive Howlitzer]

jamskinner wrote...

Just run the dang thing on another installed partition if you are so worried about EA looking at all your pirated games.

What about those of us without any pirated games that just think requiring us to install spyware onto our systems to play a game is a bit absurd?

[Incognito JC]

And again.

jamskinner wrote...

Just run the dang thing on another installed partition if you are so worried about EA looking at all your pirated games.

Incognito JC wrote...

A couple of things.

• For
  those posters that aren't bothered to read through the thread or use
  their higher cognitive process before posting, many are against Origin,
  and NOT Steam, because Steam asks for permission to ransack your PC for
  data. Origin does it ANYWAY without asking. If you are even bothered to
  read through the thread, you would learn that people have done tests
  sometime ago and learnt that Origin goes through your private files on
  your PC, outside of the Origin program folder, via a process monitoring
  program.
  
  For the more recent posts that Origin only scans its own
  folders, who is to say it won't scan others. It has been proven to do
  so before. And no, don't ask for image links. It has been posted on this
  thread, and you would have seen it if you bothered reading through.
  
• For
  those people that said, "what's the big deal with privacy, you use
  sites such as Facebook, etc etc", here's the thing, YOU control what
  information you want to release to public on sites such as Facebook. And
  as a matter of fact, I don't use Facebook myself. I have an account,
  but it does not have my personal information. Just my name, and it's
  used just to keep in touch with people I know. I do not have the
  compulsion to show and tell the public everytime I take a photo of
  myself in the toilet, or everytime I drink a can of beer.
  
• For
  those people who says, "you're a pirate so you don't want Origin
  scanning your files lool". What a load of bull. We care about what it
  scans because we might have important information on our PC. It is no
  secret that nowadays no major corporations can prevent their database
  from being hacked. With your logic, why don't you leave your house doors
  open, you have nothing to hide right? God forbid that you may have
  sensitive and/or banking information in your house. Just let strangers
  wander in anytime to take what they want. Because, hey, you have nothing
  to hide.
  
• As for those ignorant enough to say we can opt
  out of sharing data on Origin; no we can't. Mr. Priestly's carefully
  worded post said that we can only opt out of ME3 data sharing, which, to
  be honest, I do not have a single issue with. Feel free to take my ME3
  statistics, how I play the game and whatnot. Origin on the other hand,
  mines for data that are, bluntly put, none of their damn business.
  
• For
  those who said, "what's the big deal, switch to console". Not all PC
  gamers have console. Most PC gamers choose the PC because they do not
  like playing on consoles. Switching would mean paying more for the
  console itself, and paying more for games, because PC games are still
  cheaper. In ME3's case, I CAN'T switch. I have a PS3, but my ME1/ME2
  saves are for the PC.

Again, I've said it countless times, and
I'm not the only one; DRM do not prevent piracy, it promotes piracy.
Pirates will do what they do best, and excel at it. It's us as the
paying consumers that gets harmed. A CD check is more than enough,
because ME2 was great with just that.

Many of you do forget that,
it's our own money that comes out of the pocket to pay for the game. We
should not have to pay for a product and go through all the trouble to
make our gaming experience more pleasant. If Origin really does prove
itself to not be a spyware like so many claims it to be, then good, I may be able to play a great game after all.

Lastly,
if you do not have problems with Origin, or if you do not play on the
PC, good for you, refrain from posting in here. This news does not
concern you whatsoever. All you do is bait arguments.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:03 .

[Remus Artega]

IsaacShep wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

I can garantee you, that you will need to boot ME3 via Origin every time, just like they did with BF3. Even if you were to double click on the ME3.exe in you folder it will still first boot up origin, even for the SP part of the game. MARK MY WORDS

Appreciate your take on this, but I want direct official answers.

You know you can run BF3 SP in offline mode do you? So there is no reason for ME3 SP to work otherwise

Modifié par Remus Artega, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:04 .

[Pinatu]

Nobody force me to install Origin, or STEAM, not even Shepard, with Wrex outside my home. Point.

Today, are 1000 new games without this, and work perfectly without obligatory update/authorization every install, or similar things.

[dbrw]

I see no problem with the Origin requirement but will BioWare make use of Origin features? like invite friends to the multiplayer through Origin overlay using Origin friendslist. Also it would be great if we could use it (origin client) to start a party,  use voicechat and see our stats without need something like the Battlelog.

[Incognito JC]

Remus Artega wrote...


You know you can run BF3 SP in offline mode do you? So there is no reason for ME3 SP to work otherwise

I think it's less about online/offline, and more about having Origin installed and running to play the game.

[abaris]

jamskinner wrote...

Just run the dang thing on another installed partition if you are so worried about EA looking at all your pirated games.

1) You're insulting people. I'm not sure if I should give you even the benefit of the doubt of not intending a flame war.

2) As it is with computers, second partitions doesn't make the data on your primary partition dissappear. I'm not sure if you really don't know that or if you just play some desperate card.

3) As has been said numerous times. Installing clients means opening a backdoor to your computer. Even if I put all of my trust in EA and Origins to handle whatever they gather with greatest care, the backdoor is there. For everyone with less trustworthy intents to use at their leisure.

[Lux]

Wardka wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

I can garantee you, that you will need to boot ME3 via Origin every time, just like they did with BF3. Even if you were to double click on the ME3.exe in you folder it will still first boot up origin, even for the SP part of the game. MARK MY WORDS

Hi, doomsayer. For MULTIPLAYER that should be correct. For single player, not likely.

It's actually very likely. The entire reason we're getting Origin shovelled down our throats is because Mass Effect 3 is a high profile game. They are using it to promote Origin, so it is exceedingly likely that ME3 will not start without it.

The Sims Medieval, Crysis 2  and Dragon Age 2 were games I purchased directly from Origin which didn't require Origin to be running after the first time installation. Then Origin seriously pissed me off for a number of reasons and I uninstalled it. However, I can still run those games (minus DA2 wich also got uninstalled).

The point is, I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions before an official reply. If Origin needs to be always on as with BF3, it also has the capability to stay out of our business, at least in single player.

[JeffZero]

@MisterMida

I had a lengthy response to your previous statement to me all lined up and ready to go and then my phone died. Suffice it to say, the gist was that my original statement was rhetorical - merely a passing observation written down for memory. And what more appropriate place to write it down than the very topic which inspired it? You then latched onto that passive statement and criticized it. Such is the way of things, of course - this is a forum, where information and opinions are shared and frequently criticized. Very well. But my observation was never intended to directly ask anyone to do anything. I agree it would be silly; I firmly stand against telling others to sacrifice their principles. Thankfully I never outright did.

[Ryzaki]

didymos1120 wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...

Lumikki wrote...
I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

This is a VERY good point imho. Microsoft got slapped with an anti-trust because of similar tactics with IE. One could always hope and pray the same happens to EA. What goes around comes around.

This would also hit Valve, you know, since they require Steam for their own games. 

Good. I shouldn't need a damn DD service for a boxed copy of a game I bought in a store any way. <_<

[Fraevar]

This is disappointing to say the least. Many of us have been enhancing our game experiences with some of the excellent texmods that have come out of the ME and ME2 PC fan community, and to see the opportunity to maintain characters by forcing Origin on us is not welcome news at all.

Not going to go on a diatribe about canceled pre-orders, but I expected better from you, BioWare - especially after the 2007 Epic Fail of your MEPC release with SecuROM.

[Icinix]

"We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

If you really, really gave a damn about giving us the best possible experience - ME3 would NOT require any other software to install.

Origin does NOT give me a more enjoyable experience.

[Mclouvins]

Clive Howlitzer wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

Just run the dang thing on another installed partition if you are so worried about EA looking at all your pirated games.

What about those of us without any pirated games that just think requiring us to install spyware onto our systems to play a game is a bit absurd?

The few ruin nice things for the many, what else is new?

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

Good. I shouldn't need a damn DD service for a boxed copy of a game I bought in a store any way. <_<

Well duh but how would EA be able to "speak" with you otherwise lol...

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:08 .

[Hathur]

 
..... sorry.. everybody sounds so angry, thought it might help a bit is all 

[Mister Mida]

casadechrisso wrote...

I believe him. Why? Since using Steam I updated even the last illegal copy I had lying around from years ago to legal status. Steam is convenient, Steam is easy to use, Steam has great deals and when I looked at some burnt disc late at night and thought "damn, I should buy it now that I have the money", I could just do exactly that with two clicks. 
I'm no Steam fanboy at all and usually I buy new games still in the box, but yeah, Steam is responsible for the absolute lack of illegal games on my comp since... quite a while, basically since I started using it.

You're pretty much describing any decent online retailer I've come across. Steam ain't that unique anymore when it comes down as a retailer, except they convinced plenty of indie devs that they're the only option and they need that client to regulate the other stuff they have, which is the centralization of services that I loath.

[Nahal The Reckless]

Well, this is very disappointing news. Kind of expected it though. Oh well, I'm another sale lost for Bioware/EA then. I could make a longer post about why, but many others have gone over the salient points literally hundreds of times in the various Origin threads on this board and I have better things to do.

I should go.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Good. I shouldn't need a damn DD service for a boxed copy of a game I bought in a store any way. <_<

Well duh but how would EA be able to "speak" with you otherwise lol...

Psh. If I want to talk to them I'll email them. 

Like someone else said. I want to play a single player game not get on some social media BS. If the game starts acting funny I'll do what I used to do. Come on the damn forums and try to get a solution.

[JeffZero]

Hathur wrote...

 
..... sorry.. everybody sounds so angry, thought it might help a bit is all 

D'awww.

[Mister Mida]

JeffZero wrote...

@MisterMida

I had a lengthy response to your previous statement to me all lined up and ready to go and then my phone died. Suffice it to say, the gist was that my original statement was rhetorical - merely a passing observation written down for memory. And what more appropriate place to write it down than the very topic which inspired it? You then latched onto that passive statement and criticized it. Such is the way of things, of course - this is a forum, where information and opinions are shared and frequently criticized. Very well. But my observation was never intended to directly ask anyone to do anything. I agree it would be silly; I firmly stand against telling others to sacrifice their principles. Thankfully I never outright did.

Rhetoric/sarcasm doesn't always come across in plain text unless it's explicitely written down. If you wrote it as rhetoric then I withdraw my response.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:16 .