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[Shepard the Leper]

GirlPower23 wrote...

How does Steam limit modding? Skyrim is a Steamworks title and it can be 100% Modded with zero restrictions. Half Life Franchise, CSS, DoD:S, L4D(2) can all be modded to your hearts content with basically no restrictions. I'm not sure why you think it's Steam limiting your modding.. when it problem was the developers decision to do so. Ignorance is an amazing thing.

I'm talking serious modding here - not chaning a skin or two, or adding improved textures (like your examples). To give you an idea, think about using the Skyrim game engine to create a completely new game from scratch. The last non-Steam version of Total War (Medieval 2) has mods covering the Lord of the Rings world, to Warhammer, to Zelda, to the Game of Thrones, Napoleon, China, Rome, Greece, and so on.

Steam has ruind modding Total War games, period. If you have something to show me that says otherwise (goodluck with that) please do so, if not, then hold your breath or honor your own words "Ignorance is an amazing thing."

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

Psh. If I want to talk to them I'll email them.

That's my point, when I read that quote I was like "What is this BS? WHo the hell wants to speak with EA lol? Lemme play my game and don't show me your face!" The only people from EA I wanna speak with are BioWare devs and I've already got BSN and Twitter for kthx

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:14 .

[JeffZero]

Mister Mida wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

@MisterMida

I had a lengthy response to your previous statement to me all lined up and ready to go and then my phone died. Suffice it to say, the gist was that my original statement was rhetorical - merely a passing observation written down for memory. And what more appropriate place to write it down than the very topic which inspired it? You then latched onto that passive statement and criticized it. Such is the way of things, of course - this is a forum, where information and opinions are shared and frequently criticized. Very well. But my observation was never intended to directly ask anyone to do anything. I agree it would be silly; I firmly stand against telling others to sacrifice their principles. Thankfully I never outright did.

Rhetoric/sarcasm doesn't always come across on plain text unless it's explicitely written down. If you wrote it as rhetoric then I withdraw my response.

You're right, it doesn't. I'm a lot better at conveying it when I'm using a computer as opposed to a cell phone... And when I've been up longer than five minutes.  

[TerminatorT1994]

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin. It also has faster downloads speeds from what I've experienced. If you resort to pirating because of a digital download service, you should probably dismantle your entire computer and sell your parts to people who are more intelligent than you. Then you should probably use that money you made to buy a console that uses more than 7 year old tech as Origin is apparently the Satan of gaming. It's pretty funny actually, if EA made Origin before Steam, you would be all be saying Steam is too intrusive or you hate it because it's required for Valve games. So many hypocrites in gaming communities these days.

I've been using Origin for ages and even long before it was even renamed to Origin. Haven't had any distinct problems with it at all. I think it's just blind hate for EA as a company, anything they do is followed up by idiots with grudges against them.

[Aeowyn]

jamskinner wrote...

Just run the dang thing on another installed partition if you are so worried about EA looking at all your pirated games.

Yes of course! That's why we're all pissed off at Origin, because I don't want them to see my non-existent pirated games. How silly of me.

How about you actually keep stupid comments like that to yourself next time?

[Aeowyn]

TerminatorT1994 wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin. It also has faster downloads speeds from what I've experienced. If you resort to pirating because of a digital download service, you should probably dismantle your entire computer and sell your parts to people who are more intelligent than you. Then you should probably use that money you made to buy a console that uses more than 7 year old tech as Origin is apparently the Satan of gaming. It's pretty funny actually, if EA made Origin before Steam, you would be all be saying Steam is too intrusive or you hate it because it's required for Valve games. So many hypocrites in gaming communities these days.

I've been using Origin for ages and even long before it was even renamed to Origin. Haven't had any distinct problems with it at all. I think it's just blind hate for EA as a company, anything they do is followed up by idiots with grudges against them.

I suggest you search for the old Origin thread....

[Incognito JC]

TerminatorT1994 wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin. It also has faster downloads speeds from what I've experienced. If you resort to pirating because of a digital download service, you should probably dismantle your entire computer and sell your parts to people who are more intelligent than you. Then you should probably use that money you made to buy a console that uses more than 7 year old tech as Origin is apparently the Satan of gaming. It's pretty funny actually, if EA made Origin before Steam, you would be all be saying Steam is too intrusive or you hate it because it's required for Valve games. So many hypocrites in gaming communities these days.

I've been using Origin for ages and even long before it was even renamed to Origin. Haven't had any distinct problems with it at all. I think it's just blind hate for EA as a company, anything they do is followed up by idiots with grudges against them.

Not to self promote, but please read my post on the previous page.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Psh. If I want to talk to them I'll email them.

That's my point, when I read that quote I was like "What is this BS? WHo the hell wants to speak with EA lol? Lemme play my game and don't show me your face!" The only people from EA I wanna speak with are BioWare devs and I've already got BSN and Twitter for kthx

Exactly.

If Origin takes off I wonder how long it'll take the other big name companies to start their own Steam/Origins.

How fun it will be to have a different DD service necessary for each big name gaming company. Yay.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:16 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

MassStorm wrote...

LOL what a bunch of hypocrites, we all know you will end up playing that game one way or another.

Don't assume that the rest of the world shares your moral weakness.

[ETermin]

Aeowyn wrote...

TerminatorT1994 wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin. It also has faster downloads speeds from what I've experienced. If you resort to pirating because of a digital download service, you should probably dismantle your entire computer and sell your parts to people who are more intelligent than you. Then you should probably use that money you made to buy a console that uses more than 7 year old tech as Origin is apparently the Satan of gaming. It's pretty funny actually, if EA made Origin before Steam, you would be all be saying Steam is too intrusive or you hate it because it's required for Valve games. So many hypocrites in gaming communities these days.

I've been using Origin for ages and even long before it was even renamed to Origin. Haven't had any distinct problems with it at all. I think it's just blind hate for EA as a company, anything they do is followed up by idiots with grudges against them.

I suggest you search for the old Origin thread....

there is one of them in my sig. dating about 5 months ago

[Killjoy Cutter]

TerminatorT1994 wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin.

No, it's not.  Steam is bad, Origin is worse. 

As for why, read this thread and the several others.  Educate yourself.

[Chiefje]

Remus Artega wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...

I can garantee you, that you will need to boot ME3 via Origin every time, just like they did with BF3. Even if you were to double click on the ME3.exe in you folder it will still first boot up origin, even for the SP part of the game. MARK MY WORDS

Appreciate your take on this, but I want direct official answers.

You know you can run BF3 SP in offline mode do you? So there is no reason for ME3 SP to work otherwise

Funny how they fixed that after Origin was down for a day and nobody could play Battlefield 3, a little while ago. Before the Origin servers messed up there was no such option, you had to log in first, then go to offline mode. A lesson can be learned from this, people need to yell at EA and Origin really hard before anything is done about something.

[JeffZero]

It might be for the best if that old thread were transcribed to some other website for safekeeping. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if you awoke to find it deleted.

[wolfsite]

ETermin wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

TerminatorT1994 wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin. It also has faster downloads speeds from what I've experienced. If you resort to pirating because of a digital download service, you should probably dismantle your entire computer and sell your parts to people who are more intelligent than you. Then you should probably use that money you made to buy a console that uses more than 7 year old tech as Origin is apparently the Satan of gaming. It's pretty funny actually, if EA made Origin before Steam, you would be all be saying Steam is too intrusive or you hate it because it's required for Valve games. So many hypocrites in gaming communities these days.

I've been using Origin for ages and even long before it was even renamed to Origin. Haven't had any distinct problems with it at all. I think it's just blind hate for EA as a company, anything they do is followed up by idiots with grudges against them.

I suggest you search for the old Origin thread....

there is one of them in my sig. dating about 5 months ago

A lot has changed in 5 months making that thread a poor place to go for information.

[ETermin]

wolfsite wrote...

ETermin wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

TerminatorT1994 wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin. It also has faster downloads speeds from what I've experienced. If you resort to pirating because of a digital download service, you should probably dismantle your entire computer and sell your parts to people who are more intelligent than you. Then you should probably use that money you made to buy a console that uses more than 7 year old tech as Origin is apparently the Satan of gaming. It's pretty funny actually, if EA made Origin before Steam, you would be all be saying Steam is too intrusive or you hate it because it's required for Valve games. So many hypocrites in gaming communities these days.

I've been using Origin for ages and even long before it was even renamed to Origin. Haven't had any distinct problems with it at all. I think it's just blind hate for EA as a company, anything they do is followed up by idiots with grudges against them.

I suggest you search for the old Origin thread....

there is one of them in my sig. dating about 5 months ago

A lot has changed in 5 months making that thread a poor place to go for information.

i know just one of the many threads that have been closed down there was another one closed down for comparing it to war crimes.

[Lux]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

GirlPower23 wrote...

How does Steam limit modding? Skyrim is a Steamworks title and it can be 100% Modded with zero restrictions. Half Life Franchise, CSS, DoD:S, L4D(2) can all be modded to your hearts content with basically no restrictions. I'm not sure why you think it's Steam limiting your modding.. when it problem was the developers decision to do so. Ignorance is an amazing thing.

I'm talking serious modding here - not chaning a skin or two, or adding improved textures (like your examples). To give you an idea, think about using the Skyrim game engine to create a completely new game from scratch. The last non-Steam version of Total War (Medieval 2) has mods covering the Lord of the Rings world, to Warhammer, to Zelda, to the Game of Thrones, Napoleon, China, Rome, Greece, and so on.

Steam has ruind modding Total War games, period. If you have something to show me that says otherwise (goodluck with that) please do so, if not, then hold your breath or honor your own words "Ignorance is an amazing thing."

That was the developer choice for TW not to be moddable anymore. Bethesda is releasing a toolset integrated with Steam this month which will allow substantial changes.

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

If Origin takes off I wonder how long it'll take the other big name companies to start their own Steam/Origins.

How fun it will be to have a different DD service necessary for each big name gaming company. Yay.

Precisely. We'll end up with DD client from every publisher. AND, they will all sell their games only on their platforms. If people don't realize what it means when a publisher is the only source to buy a product, they should just look at BioWare points. You can only buy them digitally from EA which surprise surprise, is the reason why they never bar once (and only in US and most likely due to an error) went on sale. Welcome to the future of overpriced & overcomplicated gaming. Go Origin lovers!

[TedoM]

I don't have anything to hide on my gaming PC, but I'm also not happy about that.

[Killjoy Cutter]

didymos1120 wrote...

Elazul2k wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.

This is a VERY good point imho. Microsoft got slapped with an anti-trust because of similar tactics with IE. One could always hope and pray the same happens to EA. What goes around comes around.

This would also hit Valve, you know, since they require Steam for their own games. 

You say that like it would be a bad thing. 

I'd love to see Valve get nailed over their Steam shenanigans.

[wolfsite]

austinsj82 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Gamerpru wrote...
 Like i said, I would instanly buy the game on steam rightnow, post the receipe on this forum etc....but i cant

EA would still get money.

So what this boils down to is whether you really are opposed to giving EA money (which you did when you bought ME2) or whether you just want free stuff.

If its the former, then make a point - don't buy ME3, and don't pirate it. Have nothing to do with EA at all. 

It depends. Is the reason he would buy it on Steam down to EA's monopoly on DLC? Since that's the sticking point for it not being on Steam, if ME3 were on Steam, it would mean DLC available from other places, at which point you give money to EA to congratulate them for doing something you wanted. Like giving a dog treats for doing something smart.

But this is where the arguement falls on its face. I own both mass effect's on steam and you cannot buy any dlc for them through the steam client, only through the BSN site with bioware points, and afaik it was like that with the patches too, you had to download the patches off of this site. So this whole "steam restricts direct interaction with our customers" is garbage because it has nothing to do with content delivery for any of bioware's games (i also own dragon age on steam and it's the same situation)

Okay again with this, the reason Games taken down after Valve changed there terms of service is becuase Valve took them down, you wither have your DLC and run all proccesses within Steam or that game is not on Steam.

Since this change EA has put Alice: Madness Returns on Steam as well as more Sims 3 expansions which proves that EA would like to use Steam.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

If Origin takes off I wonder how long it'll take the other big name companies to start their own Steam/Origins.

How fun it will be to have a different DD service necessary for each big name gaming company. Yay.

Precisely. We'll end up with DD client from every publisher. AND, they will all sell their games only on their platforms. If people don't realize what it means when a publisher is the only source to buy a product, they should just look at BioWare points. You can only buy them digitally from EA which surprise surprise, is the reason why they never bar once (and only in US and most likely due to an error) went on sale. Welcome to the future of overpriced & overcomplicated gaming. Go Origin lovers!

Oi vey.   And then they'll act like the victims when people say "F this." and stop buying their products.

I just want to be able to buy the boxed damn copy from the store, bring it home, install *just* the game and then play.

Why can't I do that anymore? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:26 .

[Dovahzaan]

I was ok with more combat, sexy Ashley and Multiplayer. I didn't like it, but hey, BioWare wants to make money. Everybody wants to.
But I'm not ok with Origin. Obligatory "pre order canceled" .

[MassStorm]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

If Origin takes off I wonder how long it'll take the other big name companies to start their own Steam/Origins.

How fun it will be to have a different DD service necessary for each big name gaming company. Yay.

Precisely. We'll end up with DD client from every publisher. AND, they will all sell their games only on their platforms. If people don't realize what it means when a publisher is the only source to buy a product, they should just look at BioWare points. You can only buy them digitally from EA which surprise surprise, is the reason why they never bar once (and only in US and most likely due to an error) went on sale. Welcome to the future of overpriced & overcomplicated gaming. Go Origin lovers!

So then let's defend Steam the monopolist....i want more competition not less

[GirlPower23]

Shepard the Leper wrote...
I'm talking serious modding here - not chaning a skin or two, or adding improved textures (like your examples). To give you an idea, think about using the Skyrim game engine to create a completely new game from scratch. The last non-Steam version of Total War (Medieval 2) has mods covering the Lord of the Rings world, to Warhammer, to Zelda, to the Game of Thrones, Napoleon, China, Rome, Greece, and so on.

Steam has ruind modding Total War games, period. If you have something to show me that says otherwise (goodluck with that) please do so, if not, then hold your breath or honor your own words "Ignorance is an amazing thing."

All your Total War mods are doing is converting the game to new textures, models, sounds and animations. Both Red Alert 3 and CnC 3 while not Steamworks titles can be completely modded even though they are still "Tied" into Steam and have a ton of mods that change the game play like you speak. Oblivion and Morrowind are both Steamworks titles now and all mods work with them. Including mods like Morroblivion and Nehrim.. which are completely different games to their original intention. New Vegas a Steamworks Title has modes like Requiem of the Capital Waste which lets you play Fallout 3 and NV Campaign together.. Two Completely different games and it works perfect with Steam.

Half Life 2 alone has hundreds of mods that make completely new games from the original. All work with Steamworks enabled Half Life 2. It's not Steams fault that your latest Total War can't be completely modded.. it's the developers decision. Steam itself has a section dedicated to complete conversion mods for Half Life 2 that change it's gameplay beyond what you could do in TotalWar.  So yes I am going to throw around the ignorant word.

Modifié par GirlPower23, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:27 .

[Hathur]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TerminatorT1994 wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin.

No, it's not.  Steam is bad, Origin is worse. 

As for why, read this thread and the several others.  Educate yourself.

Why is steam worse, out of curiosity?

My father has had his Steam account in offline mode for just over full month now - he only ever enables online mode if he is specifically looking for a game to buy... otherwise it's in offline mode and his games work just fine. I don't see what the issue is with Steam to be honest, once in offline mode you don't even need an internet connection so long as you never re-enable online mode.

You can install steam on a laptop whilst connected to the internet, install your games, switch to offline mode, pull the ethernet card / cable and never need to plug it in again - all your games will work fine (unless you try to enable online mode... in which case, yes, you will cause problems... but that requires a very deliberate step.. it can't be done by accident).

I know many folks have issues with Origin -- all of which I sympathize with and even feel myself somewhat (to a far lesser degree though)... my only real issue with it is it is unable to enter an offline mode without first connecting... which is... dumb... and makes gaming where internet is intermittent close to impossible.... unlike Steam which does not have this problem.