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MassStorm wrote...
Weiser_Cain wrote...
I don't want Origin.
Well i did not want Steam in my Deus Ex Augmented Edition hard copy that i have canceled the past year...i guess we cannot always get what we want....DEAL WITH IT!
wolfsite wrote...
I just love how people have the EA/Steam things completely wrong in every respect despite all information available stating that EA would like to put games on Steam it is just Valve's stance on DLC preventing it
www.giantbomb.com/news/crysis-2-was-removed-from-steam-over-dlc-distribution-deal/3399/
Even Notch has some problems with it notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch
Modifié par GirlPower23, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:42 .
wolfsite wrote...
Even Notch has some problems with it notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch
Ryzaki wrote...
didymos1120 wrote...
Elazul2k wrote...
Lumikki wrote...
I would call this forcefull Digital distribution software installation.
This is a VERY good point imho. Microsoft got slapped with an anti-trust because of similar tactics with IE. One could always hope and pray the same happens to EA. What goes around comes around.
This would also hit Valve, you know, since they require Steam for their own games.
Good. I shouldn't need a damn DD service for a boxed copy of a game I bought in a store any way. <_<
Ryzaki wrote...
When did I say I was blaming EA for *starting* competition?
I'm blaming them for wasting more resources on my damn comp on another damn service I don't need or want.
Just like I blamed Steam. Didn't work and this might not work either but hey. I tried.
That said if this does become the norm and every big publisher makes their own exclusive DD service I at least won't have to worry about Steam for much longer. They'll more than likely cause each other to crash.
MassStorm wrote...
If this was the rule then i would agree with you but it appears it is not. Valve is doing money from DD services and you cannot blame EA for starting competition in a profitable market.
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Fredvdp wrote...
I've also monitored its datamining recently. I was one of the people shouting spyware, but it scans almost nothing now. Mainly files in the EA folder.
The EULA / ToS make it clear that they reserve the "right" to change Origin's behavior at any moment, with no notice.
Facebook's long history of behavior in this regard is a good example of how things will go.
Mister Mida wrote...
Not everyone loves Steam, and if that 'argh' means what I think it means, thanks for showing that by the corporations' logic, these kind of actions are needed.Infiltrator wrote...
GG Bioware.
I own ME1, ME2, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 1&2, IWD 1&2, NWN 1&2, most of the expansions for every one of them, but I am NOT going to buy ME3. Not with this pathetic origin and your disgusting accusations on steam. Restrictive rules? I guess that's why EVERYONE but EA just LOOOOVES steam.
No buy for me. It's gonna be AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH MATEYS!!!!
MassStorm wrote...
Well i know perfectly what a monopoly is and you are biased. Valve restricts his games from other services if i HAVE to install Steam to play Skyrim. Restrictive EA? And what about the freaking REGIONAL LOCKS Steam games have??? Please stop being a Valve sucker......
Emoking wrote...
MassStorm wrote...
Weiser_Cain wrote...
I don't want Origin.
Well i did not want Steam in my Deus Ex Augmented Edition hard copy that i have canceled the past year...i guess we cannot always get what we want....DEAL WITH IT!
Deal with it or complain.
We're choosing to complain.
Modifié par Ahglock, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:42 .
Delerius_Jedi wrote...
The infamous word 'piracy' will appear in this post, so I will make a disclaimer up front that this post in no way endorses any such activity by anyone, but merely seeks to illustrate a rather negative side effects for a large part of legitimate ME1, ME2 and it would seem ME3 PC owners.
BioWare games have always had a loyal modding community on PC even as the games themselves have become more and more walled off with BioWare's move to consoles. In fact I think it's fair to say that a large amount of the exceptional fan works we have could not have occurred if not for people modding and tinkering with the files in both games. Videos from sagequeen and Aislinn Trista - excellent works of art, simply could not have come into being without flycam, slowmo and all the other commands edited back in by the PC modding community.
Another aspect to consider is that the majority of modding on ME and ME2 centers around textures. Upscaling the low-res textures of ME2, ELE08's excellent femShep textures etc. All of which requires TexMod - a tiny (legal) program - that you have launch the MassEffect.exe or MassEffect2.exe file instead of doing so directly or through the launcher.
Here is what this mandatory Origin inclusion does. It turns all the people who does these things into criminals. Literally. As of this moment, no breach of any copy protection has been needed to get any of these mods to work. With Origin, it very well would be necessary in order to get any mods working. I am stunned that this has apparently not factored into the BioWare decision process at all here, as people who are very attached to their Commander Shepards, now won't be able to play them because they used mods, which will now require them to bypass the DRM of Origin to get their ME3 experience. These are also not irrelevant mods, they're projects which enhance the presentation of the games they are designed for, like eliminating the terrible texture discrepancies on characters from the neck down in ME2, to fixing a long-standing bug that BioWare never bothered to fix (Garrus' low-res face) in ME1. These are not irrelevant projects, they are things which enrich and enhance the game and actually mean a great deal to people.
With this decision BioWare is essentially slapping their entire modding community in the face as well as telling them to abandon all their work or be confined to the "piracy/criminal" label forever. It shows incredibly poor judgment, and I am sorry to say, will drive people to seek ways bypassing the Origin DRM, people who had no intention or need of doing so in the past.
Origin was stripped from Battlefield 3 by one of the major scene release groups, the same thing will happen with ME3. The ball is in BioWare's court now as to how many of its loyal PC customers they send into the arms of those release groups just to be able to keep playing their TexModded Shepard.
And yet Activision (another evil empire), Square Enix, WB, Ubisoft, and every other major publisher doesn't have a problem with Steam.Mesina2 wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Even Notch has some problems with it notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch
Look at this.
Just pointing out how I think the publishers think. I don't like it either.Adanu wrote...
Mister Mida wrote...
Not everyone loves Steam, and if that 'argh' means what I think it means, thanks for showing that by the corporations' logic, these kind of actions are needed.Infiltrator wrote...
GG Bioware.
I own ME1, ME2, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 1&2, IWD 1&2, NWN 1&2, most of the expansions for every one of them, but I am NOT going to buy ME3. Not with this pathetic origin and your disgusting accusations on steam. Restrictive rules? I guess that's why EVERYONE but EA just LOOOOVES steam.
No buy for me. It's gonna be AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH MATEYS!!!!
It's this logic that stated the Templar-Mage war in Dragon Age. You squeeze too hard and eventually the opporessed will lash out.
wolfsite wrote...
Infiltrator wrote...
GG Bioware.
I own ME1, ME2, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 1&2, IWD 1&2, NWN 1&2, most of the expansions for every one of them, but I am NOT going to buy ME3. Not with this pathetic origin and your disgusting accusations on steam. Restrictive rules? I guess that's why EVERYONE but EA just LOOOOVES steam.
No buy for me. It's gonna be AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH MATEYS!!!!
I just love how people have the EA/Steam things completely wrong in every respect despite all information available stating that EA would like to put games on Steam it is just Valve's stance on DLC preventing it
GirlPower23 wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
I just love how people have the EA/Steam things completely wrong in every respect despite all information available stating that EA would like to put games on Steam it is just Valve's stance on DLC preventing it
www.giantbomb.com/news/crysis-2-was-removed-from-steam-over-dlc-distribution-deal/3399/
Even Notch has some problems with it notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch
Valve sets new TOS.. EA Doesn't agree to them. Who is in the wrong. When EA Games continously points fingers at Valve for changing their ToS and trying to make people believe EA is the innocent child. When it's humble Gabe Newell basically took the highroad and said they want EA on their service. They just aren't going to make an exception for EA Games.
Also Notch is a ****** and he wouldn't like Steam for the same reasons EA doesn't like Steam. He wants the DLC any potential for future DLC to be sold directly on his website and Steam would prevent that. With their new game "Scrolls" coming out over at Mojang you can see they are into that heavy DLC crap like EA Games considering how heavy DLC Scrolls will be. I'm sure they will figure out a way to DLC Minecraft as well.
Infiltrator wrote...
GG Bioware.
I own ME1, ME2, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 1&2, IWD 1&2, NWN 1&2, most of the expansions for every one of them, but I am NOT going to buy ME3. Not with this pathetic origin and your disgusting accusations on steam. Restrictive rules? I guess that's why EVERYONE but EA just LOOOOVES steam.
No buy for me. It's gonna be AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH MATEYS!!!!
wolfsite wrote...
Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Fredvdp wrote...
I've also monitored its datamining recently. I was one of the people shouting spyware, but it scans almost nothing now. Mainly files in the EA folder.
The EULA / ToS make it clear that they reserve the "right" to change Origin's behavior at any moment, with no notice.
Facebook's long history of behavior in this regard is a good example of how things will go.
and if they did that you do realize the Storm that would hit. Everyone says they are a business first. Well doing this would be a very poor business decision when so many people are watching in hopes another Germany incident pops up. It's "It may happen" but honestly that would be like taking a gun and shooting yourself in the face 6 times to see if you could survive.
Sorry if this comes off a bit harsh but honestly you would have to be insane to even attempt that with the world watching you.
Guest_Sofia Lamb_*
Mister Mida wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
When did I say I was blaming EA for *starting* competition?
I'm blaming them for wasting more resources on my damn comp on another damn service I don't need or want.
Just like I blamed Steam. Didn't work and this might not work either but hey. I tried.
That said if this does become the norm and every big publisher makes their own exclusive DD service I at least won't have to worry about Steam for much longer. They'll more than likely cause each other to crash.
That's pretty much my prediction as well. Once digital distribution is the norm, the retailer with the best terms wins and the others either have to close up shop or change their terms of use.
Emoking wrote...
wolfsite wrote...
Infiltrator wrote...
GG Bioware.
I own ME1, ME2, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 1&2, IWD 1&2, NWN 1&2, most of the expansions for every one of them, but I am NOT going to buy ME3. Not with this pathetic origin and your disgusting accusations on steam. Restrictive rules? I guess that's why EVERYONE but EA just LOOOOVES steam.
No buy for me. It's gonna be AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH MATEYS!!!!
I just love how people have the EA/Steam things completely wrong in every respect despite all information available stating that EA would like to put games on Steam it is just Valve's stance on DLC preventing it
And you believe EA... Why? What does EA say other than "Heyyyy... we'd like our games on Steam, but they won't let us"? Why won't they let EA? Because EA want to restrict the manner in which their DLC is sold. I am getting tired of asking this, but I'll do so again...
Is there anywhere else that sells Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC?
No, there isn't. Then ask yourself what the "restrictive" ToS that Steam have that applies to those games, and Crysis 2? Oh, wait, it's about selling related DLC.
Sofia Lamb wrote...
It is amusing that in the eyes of the gaming community Steam can do no wrong.
Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:48 .
Ryzaki wrote...
Mister Mida wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
When did I say I was blaming EA for *starting* competition?
I'm blaming them for wasting more resources on my damn comp on another damn service I don't need or want.
Just like I blamed Steam. Didn't work and this might not work either but hey. I tried.
That said if this does become the norm and every big publisher makes their own exclusive DD service I at least won't have to worry about Steam for much longer. They'll more than likely cause each other to crash.
That's pretty much my prediction as well. Once digital distribution is the norm, the retailer with the best terms wins and the others either have to close up shop or change their terms of use.
Yup. But for the few years they're struggling with each other it's gonna be ugly.
Oh well *gets popcorn ready*
, as are other hobbies.
Ahglock wrote...
Emoking wrote...
MassStorm wrote...
Weiser_Cain wrote...
I don't want Origin.
Well i did not want Steam in my Deus Ex Augmented Edition hard copy that i have canceled the past year...i guess we cannot always get what we want....DEAL WITH IT!
Deal with it or complain.
We're choosing to complain.
Or?
I'm dealing with and complaining. Missing out on a game and maybe all future bioware products sucks but it is not the end of the world. But if our compalints and loss of sales reach their ears maybe they will change their policies. I hoenstly doubt it given how tiny the PC market is.
Origin was stripped from Battlefield 3 by one of the major scene release groups, the same thing will happen with ME3. The ball is in BioWare's court now as to how many of its loyal PC customers they send into the arms of those release groups just to be able to keep playing their TexModded Shepard.
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