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[CroGamer002]

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Even Notch has some problems with it notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch

Look at this.

And yet Activision (another evil empire), Square Enix, WB, Ubisoft, and every other major publisher doesn't have a problem with Steam.

Who says they don't?

Maybe they do, but are silent about it since there's no point for them.
Besides, most of publisher you said don't even care much for PC market.

[Ahglock]

GirlPower23 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I just love how people have the EA/Steam things completely wrong in every respect despite all information available stating that EA would like to put games on Steam it is just Valve's stance on DLC preventing it

www.giantbomb.com/news/crysis-2-was-removed-from-steam-over-dlc-distribution-deal/3399/


Even Notch has some problems with it notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch

Valve sets new TOS.. EA Doesn't agree to them. Who is in the wrong. When EA Games continously points fingers at Valve for changing their ToS and trying to make people believe EA is the innocent child. When it's humble Gabe Newell basically took the highroad and said they want EA on their service. They just aren't going to make an exception for EA Games. 

Also Notch is a ****** and he wouldn't like Steam for the same reasons EA doesn't like Steam. He wants any  DLC to be sold directly on his website and Steam would prevent that. With their new game "Scrolls" coming out over at Mojang you can see they are into that heavy DLC crap like EA Games considering how heavy DLC Scrolls will be. I'm sure they will figure out a way to DLC Minecraft as well.

I wouldn't say anyone is really in the wrong.  Both Valve and EA  or notch want more money, that is what this is about.  It is a bit disingenous of EA to claim it is to give the players the best experience they can because um having access to the DLC on the platform you purchased it and frequent every day would improve your experience, being able to access it only in one place actually worsens your experience..    

[Ryzaki]

Mister Mida wrote...
Patience is my ally , as are other hobbies.

I wish I was very patient but I think on this I'll have no issue waiting.

[Pixieking]

wolfsite wrote...

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Infiltrator wrote...

GG Bioware.

I own ME1, ME2, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 1&2, IWD 1&2, NWN 1&2, most of the expansions for every one of them, but I am NOT going to buy ME3. Not with this pathetic origin and your disgusting accusations on steam. Restrictive rules? I guess that's why EVERYONE but EA just LOOOOVES steam.

No buy for me. It's gonna be AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH MATEYS!!!!

I just love how people have the EA/Steam things completely wrong in every respect despite all information available stating that EA would like to put games on Steam it is just Valve's stance on DLC preventing it

And you believe EA... Why? What does EA say other than "Heyyyy... we'd like our games on Steam, but they won't let us"? Why won't they let EA? Because EA want to restrict the manner in which their DLC is sold. I am getting tired of asking this, but I'll do so again...

Is there anywhere else that sells Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC?

No, there isn't. Then ask yourself what the "restrictive" ToS that Steam have that applies to those games, and Crysis 2? Oh, wait, it's about selling related DLC.

So you are saying I shouldn't trust EA cause they are EA....... ya geat logic.

I believe EA's stance since it does make sense, and they have shown proof of it and there intentions that they would like to continue dealing with Valve.

Valve has said.......... nothing, and when you say nothing to defend your stance that normally implies that there is truth is what the other side, in this case EA, has stated.

I'm saying that EA is monopolistic in its attitudes to DLC. And that trusting a monopolistic company when it says "We'd like to sell our products other places" is a bit foolish (not that you are foolish, just it's not a very wise thing to do).

Also, Steam haven't replied because they don't tend to get involved in business arguments. Just like they don't tend to publicize sales figures. Though I do admire your logic that says "just because someone doesn't deny something, doesn't mean that it is right". <_<

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:54 .

[Metalrocks]

well, ME 2 is the last ME for me. really a shame
thanks for the info. now i know and can buy a other game instead.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Morbid thought of the day... I wonder if the guys in prison who force themselves on other prisoners tell them "this is to give you the best experience possible" as they're doing it.

[anzolino]

wolfsite wrote...
So you are saying I shouldn't trust EA cause they are EA....... ya geat logic.

I believe EA's stance since it does make sense, and they have shown proof of it and there intentions that they would like to continue dealing with Valve.

Valve has said.......... nothing, and when you say nothing to defend your stance that normally implies that there is truth is what the other side, in this case EA, has stated.

Bad logic. Only if someone has nothing to say means not he has something to hide or he is lying! PR trompets are often loud and have nothing truth to say. EAs PR works still fine, we all know that.
And EA is constantly lying to the customers, most of us know that. One proof is the explanation for the spying Origin client: "It's Windows that searches the folders, not Origin." LOL

[MassStorm]

Infiltrator wrote...

MassStorm wrote...
If this was the rule then i would agree with you but it appears it is not. Valve is doing money from DD services and you cannot blame EA for starting competition in a profitable market.

Your logic is flawed. I have a huge library of Bioware games, I just won't let them shove origin down my throat. My only digital library is steam, end of story.

You are biased if Steam is your only digital library then you won't play ME3 legally, end of the story

[Aargh12]

MassStorm wrote...
Well i know perfectly what a monopoly is and you are biased. Valve restricts his games from other services if i HAVE to install Steam to play Skyrim. Restrictive EA? And what about the freaking REGIONAL LOCKS Steam games have??? Please stop being a Valve sucker......

Region locks have nothing to do with Steam. It's the retail publisher's decision to make it now available on Steam in certain regions to maximise the profit from physical copies (ie. the situation with Skyrim and RAGE in Central/Eastern Europe).
Valve can do nothing about it as they distribute games on terms provided by others.

[Gamerpru]

TerminatorT1994 wrote...

Did I miss something? Why is Orgin the Satan of gaming? It's exactly like Steam with a different layout and skin. It also has faster downloads speeds from what I've experienced. If you resort to pirating because of a digital download service, you should probably dismantle your entire computer and sell your parts to people who are more intelligent than you. Then you should probably use that money you made to buy a console that uses more than 7 year old tech as Origin is apparently the Satan of gaming. It's pretty funny actually, if EA made Origin before Steam, you would be all be saying Steam is too intrusive or you hate it because it's required for Valve games. So many hypocrites in gaming communities these days.

I've been using Origin for ages and even long before it was even renamed to Origin. Haven't had any distinct problems with it at all. I think it's just blind hate for EA as a company, anything they do is followed up by idiots with grudges against them.

hihi, your so funny. Iv been using Steam for ages and wish to keep it at 1 platform. You do konw that Valve created these kinds of platforms, do ya?

Until now this has never been any issues. Until a couple of dicks in the EA company decided to brand their own digital platform. 

[Pixieking]

Mesina2 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Even Notch has some problems with it notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch

Look at this.

And yet Activision (another evil empire), Square Enix, WB, Ubisoft, and every other major publisher doesn't have a problem with Steam.

Who says they don't?

Maybe they do, but are silent about it since there's no point for them.
Besides, most of publisher you said don't even care much for PC market.

Off Topic, but

WB: Sell Bastion on PC
SQuenix: Deus Ex: HR

Both games have sold vastly more on PC than on consoles.

And Ubisoft have mostly stopped caring about PC, yes.

[Wolf]

Why exactly is everyone so upset about this? Not looking to start anything. Legitimately asking why this is such a problem. I don't use Origin or even know anything about it. Information would be apreciated.

Modifié par Gaiden96, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:55 .

[Mclouvins]

Mesina2 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Even Notch has some problems with it notch.tumblr.com/post/9550850116/why-no-steam-notch

Look at this.

And yet Activision (another evil empire), Square Enix, WB, Ubisoft, and every other major publisher doesn't have a problem with Steam.

Who says they don't?

Maybe they do, but are silent about it since there's no point for them.
Besides, most of publisher you said don't even care much for PC market.

With the whole Call of Duty Elite thing for xbox users Activision will have their own thing coming, or they'll just massively expand battle.net.

[Gamerpru]

Metalrocks wrote...

well, ME 2 is the last ME for me. really a shame
thanks for the info. now i know and can buy a other game instead.

Maxpayne3 is coming the same month and doenst need Origin
My money is going straight to rockstar soon

[GirlPower23]

Emoking wrote...

Heh... Well, Steam have 5 million users concurrently quite often, and 40 million user accounts, so I don't think the PC market is that small. But, yes, I doubt it too.

40Million Active Accounts.. which is "Any Account that has been logged in within 30Days."

[wolfsite]

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Infiltrator wrote...

GG Bioware.

I own ME1, ME2, Dragon Age, Baldur's Gate 1&2, IWD 1&2, NWN 1&2, most of the expansions for every one of them, but I am NOT going to buy ME3. Not with this pathetic origin and your disgusting accusations on steam. Restrictive rules? I guess that's why EVERYONE but EA just LOOOOVES steam.

No buy for me. It's gonna be AAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHH MATEYS!!!!

I just love how people have the EA/Steam things completely wrong in every respect despite all information available stating that EA would like to put games on Steam it is just Valve's stance on DLC preventing it

And you believe EA... Why? What does EA say other than "Heyyyy... we'd like our games on Steam, but they won't let us"? Why won't they let EA? Because EA want to restrict the manner in which their DLC is sold. I am getting tired of asking this, but I'll do so again...

Is there anywhere else that sells Mass Effect/Dragon Age DLC?

No, there isn't. Then ask yourself what the "restrictive" ToS that Steam have that applies to those games, and Crysis 2? Oh, wait, it's about selling related DLC.

So you are saying I shouldn't trust EA cause they are EA....... ya geat logic.

I believe EA's stance since it does make sense, and they have shown proof of it and there intentions that they would like to continue dealing with Valve.

Valve has said.......... nothing, and when you say nothing to defend your stance that normally implies that there is truth is what the other side, in this case EA, has stated.

I'm saying that EA is monopolistic in its attitudes to DLC. And that trusting a monopolistic company when it says "We'd like to sell our products other places" is a bit foolish (not that you are foolish, just it's not a very wise thing to do).

Also, Steam haven't replied because they don't tend to get involved in business arguments. Just like they don't tend to publicize sales figures. Though I do admire your logic that says "just because someone doesn't deny something, doesn't mean that it is wrong". <_<

So if you ask EA a question and EA doesn't answer it means they are up to something bad.

But if you ask Valve a question and Valve doesn't answer they are not responsible for anything.


My logic was based on evidnce provided, if Valve released a statement with evidence showing otherwise I would change to fit accordingly.  You can't fault me for not making something up to fill in missing information that is needed.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Why exactly is everyone so upset about this? Not looking to start anything. Legitimately asking why this is such a problem.

The threads.  Read them.

[Ahglock]

Emoking wrote...

Heh... Well, Steam have 5 million users concurrently quite often, and 40 million user accounts, so I don't think the PC market is that small. But, yes, I doubt it too.

If you look at game sales when they are on both the conole and the pc, the pc accounts for about 1/10th of the total sales.  Unless a very large % of that 1/10th refuse to buy the game it just wont make a difference.  Well that or a lawsuit when EA tries to screw people over because well they are EA and that is what they do.  

[Pixieking]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Heh... Well, Steam have 5 million users concurrently quite often, and 40 million user accounts, so I don't think the PC market is that small. But, yes, I doubt it too.

40Million Active Accounts.. which is "Any Account that has been logged in within 30Days."

And your point? It may be that that's 35 million people playing free to play Team Fortress 2, and 5 million playing Skyrim. It's still a hefty number of accounts for a market that was supposedly dying a few years back.

[Gamerpru]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Why exactly is everyone so upset about this? Not looking to start anything. Legitimately asking why this is such a problem. I don't use Origin or even know anything about it. Information would be apreciated.

I want to install ME3 on steam, just like i did with ME1 and ME2

[Lux]

@Gamerpru

Just a friendly reminder that continuing to talk about piracy will get you banned.

[_Infiltrator]

wolfsite wrote...

So you are saying I shouldn't trust EA cause they are EA....... ya geat logic.

I believe EA's stance since it does make sense, and they have shown proof of it and there intentions that they would like to continue dealing with Valve.

Valve has said.......... nothing, and when you say nothing to defend your stance that normally implies that there is truth is what the other side, in this case EA, has stated.

I'm saying this - every digital game I have is on steam, and I don't like getting another program just because the publisher thinks he's good enough to start his own library that offers NOTHING compared to steam. Steam has millions of concurrent users and every major AND indie publisher always had no problem whatsover with steam, I could link you countless articles where they praise steam and the methods they use but I'm sure you won't have trouble finding them on your own should you want to.

The EA "problems" with Steam started just before Origin was about to release - WHAT a coincidence, right?

Bottom line is - Origin is crap and I won't take it, I tried it and it was so so bad, like a half-assed version of steam with but a fraction of its features. That **** stays uninstalled, and if Bioware can't grow some balls and stand up to this then I'm giving up on them. In fact I gave up on them already because the origin exclusivity is probably not going to be revoked. Was fun Bioware, but you're sold out.

[Incognito JC]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Why exactly is everyone so upset about this? Not looking to start anything. Legitimately asking why this is such a problem. I don't use Origin or even know anything about it. Information would be apreciated.

Summary:

Incognito JC wrote...

A couple of things.

• For
  those posters that aren't bothered to read through the thread or use
  their higher cognitive process before posting, many are against Origin,
  and NOT Steam, because Steam asks for permission to ransack your PC for
  data. Origin does it ANYWAY without asking. If you are even bothered to
  read through the thread, you would learn that people have done tests
  sometime ago and learnt that Origin goes through your private files on
  your PC, outside of the Origin program folder, via a process monitoring
  program.
  
  For the more recent posts that Origin only scans its own
  folders, who is to say it won't scan others. It has been proven to do
  so before. And no, don't ask for image links. It has been posted on this
  thread, and you would have seen it if you bothered reading through.
  
• For
  those people that said, "what's the big deal with privacy, you use
  sites such as Facebook, etc etc", here's the thing, YOU control what
  information you want to release to public on sites such as Facebook. And
  as a matter of fact, I don't use Facebook myself. I have an account,
  but it does not have my personal information. Just my name, and it's
  used just to keep in touch with people I know. I do not have the
  compulsion to show and tell the public everytime I take a photo of
  myself in the toilet, or everytime I drink a can of beer.
  
• For
  those people who says, "you're a pirate so you don't want Origin
  scanning your files lool". What a load of bull. We care about what it
  scans because we might have important information on our PC. It is no
  secret that nowadays no major corporations can prevent their database
  from being hacked. With your logic, why don't you leave your house doors
  open, you have nothing to hide right? God forbid that you may have
  sensitive and/or banking information in your house. Just let strangers
  wander in anytime to take what they want. Because, hey, you have nothing
  to hide.
  
• As for those ignorant enough to say we can opt
  out of sharing data on Origin; no we can't. Mr. Priestly's carefully
  worded post said that we can only opt out of ME3 data sharing, which, to
  be honest, I do not have a single issue with. Feel free to take my ME3
  statistics, how I play the game and whatnot. Origin on the other hand,
  mines for data that are, bluntly put, none of their damn business.
  
• For
  those who said, "what's the big deal, switch to console". Not all PC
  gamers have console. Most PC gamers choose the PC because they do not
  like playing on consoles. Switching would mean paying more for the
  console itself, and paying more for games, because PC games are still
  cheaper. In ME3's case, I CAN'T switch. I have a PS3, but my ME1/ME2
  saves are for the PC.

Again, I've said it countless times, and
I'm not the only one; DRM do not prevent piracy, it promotes piracy.
Pirates will do what they do best, and excel at it. It's us as the
paying consumers that gets harmed. A CD check is more than enough,
because ME2 was great with just that.

Many of you do forget that,
it's our own money that comes out of the pocket to pay for the game. We
should not have to pay for a product and go through all the trouble to
make our gaming experience more pleasant. If Origin really does prove
itself to not be a spyware like so many
claims it to be, then good, I may be able to play a great game after
all.

Lastly,
if you do not have problems with Origin, or if you do not play on the
PC, good for you, refrain from posting in here. This news does not
concern you whatsoever. All you do is bait arguments.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:58 .

[CroGamer002]

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

So you are saying I shouldn't trust EA cause they are EA....... ya geat logic.

I believe EA's stance since it does make sense, and they have shown proof of it and there intentions that they would like to continue dealing with Valve.

Valve has said.......... nothing, and when you say nothing to defend your stance that normally implies that there is truth is what the other side, in this case EA, has stated.

I'm saying that EA is monopolistic in its attitudes to DLC. And that trusting a monopolistic company when it says "We'd like to sell our products other places" is a bit foolish (not that you are foolish, just it's not a very wise thing to do).

Also, Steam haven't replied because they don't tend to get involved in business arguments. Just like they don't tend to publicize sales figures. Though I do admire your logic that says "just because someone doesn't deny something, doesn't mean that it is right". <_<

So wait, EA shouldn't be allow to do whatever the hell they want with their own DLC's?

While Valve, in other hand, can be monopolistic and do whatever the hell they want with other business's stuff?



I smell Valve/Steam fanboyism here.

[Aargh12]

Emoking wrote...

Off Topic, but

WB: Sell Bastion on PC
SQuenix: Deus Ex: HR

Both games have sold vastly more on PC than on consoles.

Source?