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[Pixieking]

wolfsite wrote...

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

So if you ask EA a question and EA doesn't answer it means they are up to something bad.

But if you ask Valve a question and Valve doesn't answer they are not responsible for anything.


My logic was based on evidnce provided, if Valve released a statement with evidence showing otherwise I would change to fit accordingly.  You can't fault me for not making something up to fill in missing information that is needed.

No, I meant automatically believing a company when they spout the same thing repeatedly when you're not shown proof otherwise is occasionally a bad thing. Not always, and I see your point. But I'm viewing this all rather critically (believe me, if we got into how Steam's prices are stupid in Europe, I wouldn't be defending them )

Okay, problem with debates on a forum, much harder to read peoples intentions from just text.

Heh... Tis true.

[Clint_johnston23]

Hmm. I hadn't heard about this. I must say I really don't have a problem with it overall, though it bothers me that EA doesn't have enough faith in its customers to let them play the game without a second set of software. I still plan to fully enjoy the game, so I'll put up with whatever they require.

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

IS there another site that has that article aside from Kotaku?  Every time I go there I get huge Alerts about possible spyware and trojans.

Off topic, but use Firefox with NoScript add on (at the least)

[Pixieking]

wolfsite wrote...


IS there another site that has that article aside from Kotaku?  Every time I go there I get huge Alerts about possible spyware and trojans.

www.1up.com/news/valve-boss-gabe-newell-wants-ea-games-on-steam

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:10 .

[Sundance31us]

Mesina2 wrote...
I smell Valve/Steam fanboyism here.

There seem to be a lot of them, personally I hate Steam with a burning passion.

[Lux]

Gaiden96 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

Why exactly is everyone so upset about this? Not looking to start anything. Legitimately asking why this is such a problem.

The threads.  Read them.

So it's because it reads the data on your hard drive? What is the purpose of this?

It reads more data than it should and that raises privacy questions. Another issue I have with the DRM is the capacity to prevent you from playing the games you purchased because one day you vented your frustrations in a way that an arbitrary EA employee didn't like.

[shepskisaac]

Gamerpru wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Besides, most of publisher you said don't even care much for PC market.

If they didn't care they wouldn't publish for PC. Fact.

80% of pc games are simple consoleport whit dx9 support. Woeptiefokkingdoe

It still cost money to produce that port. If they didn't care for PC market, they wouldn't part the games. Simple.

[mimmofree]

MassStorm wrote...

GirlPower23 wrote...

Also Origin has region locks to.. funny. Your whole argument just blew up in a ball of flames.

Not sure what are you talking about. Origin shop is regionally locked but i can access without any problem my games bought in a different country(since i travel a lot) when i return back home. This is not the case with Steam

you can play every game that you have in steam library, in every country;

Origin isn't a problem for me, it's like Steam

[Wolf]

I don't get it.

[Pixieking]

Sundance31us wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
I smell Valve/Steam fanboyism here.

There seem to be a lot of them, personally I hate Steam with a burning passion.

Want to know why I'm not a Steam fanboy?

Because I totally get Steam isn't everyone's cup of tea.

I would far prefer Steam to allow me to register games with them, but not force me to. But it doesn't. So another company that asks me to do something I don't particualrly want to do makes me angry (especially when I believe it's inferior).

[MassStorm]

mimmofree wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

GirlPower23 wrote...

Also Origin has region locks to.. funny. Your whole argument just blew up in a ball of flames.

Not sure what are you talking about. Origin shop is regionally locked but i can access without any problem my games bought in a different country(since i travel a lot) when i return back home. This is not the case with Steam

you can play every game that you have in steam library, in every country;

No you can't

[Crespire]

I won't be buying ME3 at all. Will read plot synopsis. Thanks for the clear stance on this.

[anzolino]

IsaacShep wrote...
It still cost money to produce that port. If they didn't care for PC market, they wouldn't part the games. Simple.

Not simple. PC market is not dead altough it's announced. They will lose a lot of money if they don't care.

[Aargh12]

MassStorm wrote...
No you can't

You sure? Because the last time I checked you could. You couldn't register some games with Steam, but that isn't Valve's fault, only the original game publisher.

[Dovahzaan]

After I canceled my pre order I had 50 bucks left and ordered The Witcher 2 to support companies like CD Projekt. After all they don't use DRM.

[Lux]

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

[GirlPower23]

MassStorm wrote...


No you can't

You can play any game in any country that you've bought previously UNLESS that game has not been released in that country. At no other time will you be prevented from launching the game. However, Origin will have this same set of rules when it starts selling a lot more publishers games. Although I don't see them expanding to fast anyway.. so meh. That might be awhile.

[anzolino]

@ Gaiden96,
the purposes don't cover the data collection. You have no opt-out for data mining, only for data regarding ME3, but not for the other data. And you will be forced to using a software you don't need to play. In brief.

[austinsj82]

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

So you are saying I shouldn't trust EA cause they are EA....... ya geat logic.

I believe EA's stance since it does make sense, and they have shown proof of it and there intentions that they would like to continue dealing with Valve.

Valve has said.......... nothing, and when you say nothing to defend your stance that normally implies that there is truth is what the other side, in this case EA, has stated.

I'm saying that EA is monopolistic in its attitudes to DLC. And that trusting a monopolistic company when it says "We'd like to sell our products other places" is a bit foolish (not that you are foolish, just it's not a very wise thing to do).

Also, Steam haven't replied because they don't tend to get involved in business arguments. Just like they don't tend to publicize sales figures. Though I do admire your logic that says "just because someone doesn't deny something, doesn't mean that it is right". <_<

So wait, EA shouldn't be allow to do whatever the hell they want with their own DLC's?

While Valve, in other hand, can be monopolistic and do whatever the hell they want with other business's stuff?



I smell Valve/Steam fanboyism here.

Yes they should, and they already do with the ME1, ME2 and DA:O DLC and yet they continue to be available for sale on steam.

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

IS there another site that has that article aside from Kotaku?  Every time I go there I get huge Alerts about possible spyware and trojans.

Off topic, but use Firefox with NoScript add on (at the least)

Funny thing is I do.  But every now and then I still get a warning so I just don't go there any more to be safe.

[wolfsite]

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

[abaris]

Ahglock wrote...

It is a bit disingenous of EA to claim it is to give the players the best experience they can because um having access to the DLC on the platform you purchased it and frequent every day would improve your experience, being able to access it only in one place actually worsens your experience..    

That's directed at the dorks actually believing it.

It's PR rubbish and you can believe me, I know what I'm talking since it's my line of work. The only thing slightly disturbing me is people still buying that kind of crap, since it's always the same empty phrases to sugarcoat some unpopular decision.

Of course, all they want is to make it easier and friendlier for the customer and blah, blah for all eternity.

Companies want to make money, period. And sometimes this coincides with customer interests, but it doesn't happen very often.

wolfsite wrote...

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

And yet, the EULA hasn't changed. So if they're not scanning now, they still have the right to do so once you sign the contract.

Modifié par abaris, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:24 .

[Wolf]

I've been reading on this and it came to my understanding that this has been in EA's EULA for 7 years or so. Why is this suddenly becoming such an issue now? I mean, if anything, this is lawyer-talk to cover their butts if something happens. It is meant to deliver more accurate advertisement and such. Seems a bit of an overreaction to me. Just an opinion. Does not mean I believe I am right. I don't have much experience with Origin so give me a break if I seem uninformed or ignorant.

[1136342t54_]

Gamerpru wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Besides, most of publisher you said don't even care much for PC market.

If they didn't care they wouldn't publish for PC. Fact.

80% of pc games are simple consoleport whit dx9 support. Woeptiefokkingdoe

Doesn't mean they don't give a **** about PC. It just means that PC isn't as important as Consoles to them.