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[Pixieking]

austinsj82 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

So you are saying I shouldn't trust EA cause they are EA....... ya geat logic.

I believe EA's stance since it does make sense, and they have shown proof of it and there intentions that they would like to continue dealing with Valve.

Valve has said.......... nothing, and when you say nothing to defend your stance that normally implies that there is truth is what the other side, in this case EA, has stated.

I'm saying that EA is monopolistic in its attitudes to DLC. And that trusting a monopolistic company when it says "We'd like to sell our products other places" is a bit foolish (not that you are foolish, just it's not a very wise thing to do).

Also, Steam haven't replied because they don't tend to get involved in business arguments. Just like they don't tend to publicize sales figures. Though I do admire your logic that says "just because someone doesn't deny something, doesn't mean that it is right". <_<

So wait, EA shouldn't be allow to do whatever the hell they want with their own DLC's?

While Valve, in other hand, can be monopolistic and do whatever the hell they want with other business's stuff?



I smell Valve/Steam fanboyism here.

Yes they should, and they already do with the ME1, ME2 and DA:O DLC and yet they continue to be available for sale on steam.

ME1/2 and DA:O were released before the new contract was signed, with the new ToS.

www.destructoid.com/steam-yanks-dragon-age-ii-may-not-be-origin-related-207166.phtml

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:25 .

[Ryzaki]

And this thread still isn't stickied?

[Zjarcal]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Also Origin has region locks to.. funny. Your whole argument just blew up in a ball of flames.

I noticed that when I was first gonna pre-order ME3, but I was quickly redirected to a different EA store that did sell in my region (Latin America). So even if it does have region locks of sorts, it doesn't seem to be an issue overall since you're still able to buy the game.

Well at least that was the case for me and ME3, not sure about other games.

[MassStorm]

Aargh12 wrote...

MassStorm wrote...
No you can't

You sure? Because the last time I checked you could. You couldn't register some games with Steam, but that isn't Valve's fault, only the original game publisher.

Yep i bought digitally Fallout NV in UK since i studied there but when i returned back in my country in Italy i cannot access my game sinc the key is regionally associated with an UK IP adress. As i said before i don't care if it is not Valve fault, i paid the game and i want to play with it where i want

[KingDan97]

austinsj82 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

So you are saying I shouldn't trust EA cause they are EA....... ya geat logic.

I believe EA's stance since it does make sense, and they have shown proof of it and there intentions that they would like to continue dealing with Valve.

Valve has said.......... nothing, and when you say nothing to defend your stance that normally implies that there is truth is what the other side, in this case EA, has stated.

I'm saying that EA is monopolistic in its attitudes to DLC. And that trusting a monopolistic company when it says "We'd like to sell our products other places" is a bit foolish (not that you are foolish, just it's not a very wise thing to do).

Also, Steam haven't replied because they don't tend to get involved in business arguments. Just like they don't tend to publicize sales figures. Though I do admire your logic that says "just because someone doesn't deny something, doesn't mean that it is right". <_<

So wait, EA shouldn't be allow to do whatever the hell they want with their own DLC's?

While Valve, in other hand, can be monopolistic and do whatever the hell they want with other business's stuff?



I smell Valve/Steam fanboyism here.

Yes they should, and they already do with the ME1, ME2 and DA:O DLC and yet they continue to be available for sale on steam.

That's because those games(among many others) weren't retroactively removed when Steam's policies changed. Standard legal policy is that if something wasn't illegal when you did it, you can't be punchished once it becomes illegal. Likewise if your DLC was sold third party only when your game first went up, it can't be pulled down after the no third party DLC clause.

Modifié par KingDan97, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:26 .

[wolfsite]

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


IS there another site that has that article aside from Kotaku?  Every time I go there I get huge Alerts about possible spyware and trojans.

www.1up.com/news/valve-boss-gabe-newell-wants-ea-games-on-steam

I read it but it is rather vague on what specifically the issue is (It doesn't matter what side you take you have to admit a lot of that is more like PR spin)

Dang need more information still too many places within this where speculation and opinion can alter things.

But again remember, EA has eleased games on Steam since this has happenned so the conflict is in the terms in regards to DLC...... man I would have loved to be a bug on the wall and see what exactly the problem is rather then PR and hypothesizing.

Modifié par wolfsite, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:27 .

[abaris]

Gaiden96 wrote...

I've been reading on this and it came to my understanding that this has been in EA's EULA for 7 years or so. Why is this suddenly becoming such an issue now?

Because it's the first time, you have to actually install a client.

[Luvinn]

Ryzaki wrote...

And this thread still isn't stickied?

Nah, they probably want it to die. Just like how if you mention a certain playground item to limit origins spyware tendencies, the post gets edited.

[Ramus Quaritch]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

Could you please shed some light as to what policies Steam changed and/or why these policy changes are so bad that EA will not collaborate with Steam?

[anzolino]

@Neofelis Nebulosa
there are two versions of the EULA, a German and a English. Only the German one was changed for the data protectors I think, but not the other on. In the other one they can still do everything.
I found Origin.exe accesses in IE cache, history and cookie folder. I found Origin Setup.exe accesses "My Music", "My Images" and all running programs during installation. That's enough for me to be not paranoid but still saying: There is nothing to do for Origin in these folders.

[Pixieking]

wolfsite wrote...

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...


IS there another site that has that article aside from Kotaku?  Every time I go there I get huge Alerts about possible spyware and trojans.

www.1up.com/news/valve-boss-gabe-newell-wants-ea-games-on-steam

I read it but it is rather vague on what specifically the issue is (It doesn't matter what side you take you have to admit a lot of that is more like PR spin)

Dang need more information still too many places within this where speculation and opinion can alter things.

But again remember, EA has eleased games on Steam since this has
happenned so the conflict is in the terms in regards to DLC...... man
I would have loved to be a bug on the wall and see what exactly the
problem is rather then PR and hypothesizing.

Yeah.

You know what gets me?

There's so many gaming websites out there, and none of them have critically analysed either EA or Steam about this issue. They all just spout the same PR that is on the first post of this thread. Shockingly poor journalism in the video games industry.

If you want to speculate...

Steam's new contract requires all DLC for games released after a certain point to have their DLC also released on Steam. This is why BioShock 2's DLC isn't available on Steam, since it was released before the new contract came into effect, but also why Arkham City's DLC is available on Steam.

Presumably EA's contract came up for renewal. They signed it on a "per title" basis, which is why Alice: Madness Returns is on there, but Dragon Age 2 isn't. By stating flat-out that Mass Effect 3 won't be available on Steam, they pre-emptively move against Steam removing the game when ME3 DLC is released on the BioWare site, but not on Steam.

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:36 .

[shepskisaac]

Luvinn wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And this thread still isn't stickied?

Nah, they probably want it to die.

We've seen how that worked in Germany haha

[wolfsite]

Ramus Quaritch wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

Could you please shed some light as to what policies Steam changed and/or why these policy changes are so bad that EA will not collaborate with Steam?

I doubt that will happen, I don't recall anyone dealing with Steam releasing information in regards to contracts or business with the company.

Please someone prove me wrong on this though I would love to read more into it.

[Lux]

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

It does seem to do some weird stuff, unless this article and the youtube vid are incorrect.

[crimzontearz]

sooo....no answer yet?

I mean I am not affected but this is absolutely ridiculous

[LordVeret]

Well, that's disappointing; I've been an avid fan of this series from the start, but it looks like I'll have to miss out on the conclusion. EA/Bioware, you're welcome to have my money any time you change your mind.

[MACharlie1]

wolfsite wrote...

Ramus Quaritch wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

Could you please shed some light as to what policies Steam changed and/or why these policy changes are so bad that EA will not collaborate with Steam?

I doubt that will happen, I don't recall anyone dealing with Steam releasing information in regards to contracts or business with the company.

Please someone prove me wrong on this though I would love to read more into it.

I thought it was because Steam requires all DLC to go through them and then they take a percentage of the profits from said bought DLC...

[Ryzaki]

Luvinn wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

And this thread still isn't stickied?

Nah, they probably want it to die. Just like how if you mention a certain playground item to limit origins spyware tendencies, the post gets edited.

[anzolino]

crimzontearz wrote...
ooo....no answer yet?

I mean I am not affected but this is absolutely ridiculous

What you are talking about?

[wolfsite]

Merkar wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

It does seem to do some weird stuff, unless this article and the youtube vid are incorrect.

It's old and very out of date. EA have admited to this being amistake and new versions of Origin are much less intrusive. the Images I posted earlier are from a scan of it I did today so you can see they have improved it.

[Lux]

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

It does seem to do some weird stuff, unless this article and the youtube vid are incorrect.

It's old and very out of date. EA have admited to this being amistake and new versions of Origin are much less intrusive. the Images I posted earlier are from a scan of it I did today so you can see they have improved it.

One would hope so.

[Luvinn]

What really irks me Is the fact that I don't think there is one person out there who goes, "wow, the game being on origin really improves me gaming experience". I mean, is there one person who actually likes this? If not, then why does EA want to make our gaming experience more of a pain in the ass? I can't believe that there are people out there who make more than I do and think this is a good idea.......

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

It's old and very out of date. EA have admited to this being amistake and new versions of Origin are much less intrusive. the Images I posted earlier are from a scan of it I did today so you can see they have improved it.

Again, someone noted that the EULA also says EA have the right to change Origin's behaviour without notice. No guarantee they won't start the spy crap again after the ****storm is over.

[_John Crichton]

1st) God damnit bioware

2nd) "Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content. We are intent on providing Mass Effect to players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers."

This is bull****. it's not on Steam because Valve requires that DLC be available through Steam, meaning you can't use your bioware points scam. Whatever.

[Woofy128]

Weskerr wrote...

Pre-order cancelled.

Yep, this. I'm a huge Bioware and Mass Effect fan but I absolutely will not allow EA shysters to disrespect and just generally f**k me as a customer, and I'm not soon going to forget this stunt of holding the final part of my favourite sci-fi series hostage. For the record, EA has The Sims 3 and all of its DLC available on Steam just fine. It's apparently only with higher grossing games that they want to provide the "best possible experience" for their directors' wallets.

Talented Bioware people, you all need to start a mass exodus and found a studio that isn't controlled by the most despicable humanoid-shaped lumps of kitchen grease in the gaming industry. You guys create the finest RPGs in the world, but actually getting your games is constantly an ordeal and a test of my patience for dealing with whatever insulting scheme your dog of a publisher comes up with to swindle me of my money. Example: charging sales tax on bioware points for buying DLC. Yeah, nobody does that, and I suspect that's not entirely legal. Am I going to sue you for $1.30? No, but I'm not going to forget it either.

I'm done here. I wouldn't have thought it was possible, but EA sleaze has at last outweighed my not inconsiderable admiration for the creative work of Bioware Edmonton.