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[Mclouvins]

KingDan97 wrote...
That's because those games(among many others) weren't retroactively removed when Steam's policies changed. Standard legal policy is that if something wasn't illegal when you did it, you can't be punchished once it becomes illegal. Likewise if your DLC was sold third party only when your game first went up, it can't be pulled down after the no third party DLC clause.

This sort of makes EA's case with regards to their hopes to work things out with Valve. If they really wanted to try to make Origin exclusive they would pull older EA titles. These kinds of negotiations are complicated and declaring absolute clarity after several broad/non-investigative articles is futile.

[wolfsite]

MACharlie1 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Ramus Quaritch wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Unfortunately, Steam changed their policies and we are currently not able to come to an agreement that allows us to be on Steam. We were on Steam for ME2. We were on Steam for Dragon Age II until we had to remove it, again because Steam changed their policies. We would be on Steam now if their policies allowed us to be there. I do not know if a significant number of fans complaining to Steam that they want Mass Effect 3 to be on Steam will have an effect or not, but it certainly will not hurt. Steam is a great service and I would hope that we will work with them if it becomes possible for us to do so.

Could you please shed some light as to what policies Steam changed and/or why these policy changes are so bad that EA will not collaborate with Steam?

I doubt that will happen, I don't recall anyone dealing with Steam releasing information in regards to contracts or business with the company.

Please someone prove me wrong on this though I would love to read more into it.

I thought it was because Steam requires all DLC to go through them and then they take a percentage of the profits from said bought DLC...

Ya but I mean I would love to see actualy agreements between companies to see what is actually going on.

I do realize it has to do with DLC and how it is sold but I would like to see the exact issues are,  I have heard some rumours that the new terms would mean you can only use DLC for your game from Steam if that is were you purchased it and things like that but right now those are just rumours wit no factual evidence.

Just want to see something that goes deeper into the reasoning.

[Killjoy Cutter]

anzolino wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...
So it's because it reads the data on your hard drive? What is the purpose of this?

- improving the products and services
- troubleshooting bugs
- enhancing your user experiences

For these purposes EA wants to collect personally and not-personally data.

Or rather, that's what they're telling us in PR.  Recall that the "user agreements" have mentioned EA being able to sell that data to third parties, as well. 


And really, no matter why they want it, or what they're going to do with it, it's none of their damn business, it's YOUR information, and no one has any real right to it, even if the laws where you live currently allow them to get away with taking it. 

Maybe someone needs to start going after companies that data-mine on IP grounds -- start working legislatures and courts to eventually make each person's information their own IP, so that using it without their permission puts companies in the same spot they keep trying to put individuals in.  Turn the tables.

[KingDan97]

Merkar wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

It does seem to do some weird stuff, unless this article and the youtube vid are incorrect.

Says right there in the article that it doesn't actually parse the files, just the file names. Still off, but not devious.

[Aargh12]

MassStorm wrote...
Yep i bought digitally Fallout NV in UK since i studied there but when i returned back in my country in Italy i cannot access my game sinc the key is regionally associated with an UK IP adress. As i said before i don't care if it is not Valve fault, i paid the game and i want to play with it where i want

Did you at least write to Steam Support?

And trust me, F:NV situation is totally Beth's fault - in Central/Eastern Europe tahy released F:NV version that is different from others (another AppID and so on), patches were delayed, Lonesome Road was released this year(!) and so on...

[RaenImrahl]

Thank you, to the vast majority of you, who have participated in this discussion, spoken your mind, and still followed the forum rules.

For the few of you who have not (example: Gamerpru), I have issued account bans. Please keep in mind that promoting piracy is against the rules of the social network.

And as for those who are complaining that this thread is not stickied yet, I'll change that in a minute.

Thanks,

RI

[wolfsite]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

anzolino wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...
So it's because it reads the data on your hard drive? What is the purpose of this?

- improving the products and services
- troubleshooting bugs
- enhancing your user experiences

For these purposes EA wants to collect personally and not-personally data.

Or rather, that's what they're telling us in PR.  Recall that the "user agreements" have mentioned EA being able to sell that data to third parties, as well. 


And really, no matter why they want it, or what they're going to do with it, it's none of their damn business, it's YOUR information, and no one has any real right to it, even if the laws where you live currently allow them to get away with taking it. 

Maybe someone needs to start going after companies that data-mine on IP grounds -- start working legislatures and courts to eventually make each person's information their own IP, so that using it without their permission puts companies in the same spot they keep trying to put individuals in.  Turn the tables.

The current User aggreement states they would never sell personal information to anyone without your permission, unless they are forced to by law.

---------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

It does seem to do some weird stuff, unless this article and the youtube vid are incorrect.

It's old and very out of date. EA have admited to this being amistake and new versions of Origin are much less intrusive. the Images I posted earlier are from a scan of it I did today so you can see they have improved it.

So they've temporarily modified it.  So what?

It's earlier behaviors and earlier versions of the EULA/ToS make their actual intent perfectly clear, and agreeing to the Origin EULA includes agreeing to EA making whatever change they wish, whenever they wish, to anything about Origin.

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

anzolino wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...

So it's because it reads the data on your hard drive? What is the purpose of this?

- improving the products and services
- troubleshooting bugs
- enhancing your user experiences

For these purposes EA wants to collect personally and not-personally data.

Or rather, that's what they're telling us in PR.  Recall that the "user agreements" have mentioned EA being able to sell that data to third parties, as well. 


And really, no matter why they want it, or what they're going to do with it, it's none of their damn business, it's YOUR information, and no one has any real right to it, even if the laws where you live currently allow them to get away with taking it. 

Maybe someone needs to start going after companies that data-mine on IP grounds -- start working legislatures and courts to eventually make each person's information their own IP, so that using it without their permission puts companies in the same spot they keep trying to put individuals in.  Turn the tables.

The current User aggreement states they would never sell personal information to anyone without your permission, unless they are forced to by law.

---------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

SO WHAT? 

That same EULA states that they can change the terms at any moment. 

When they do, your only choices will be stop using the products you've already purchased, agree to the new terms whatever they are, or engage EA in a court battle. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:40 .

[wolfsite]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

It does seem to do some weird stuff, unless this article and the youtube vid are incorrect.

It's old and very out of date. EA have admited to this being amistake and new versions of Origin are much less intrusive. the Images I posted earlier are from a scan of it I did today so you can see they have improved it.

So they've temporarily modified it.  So what?

It's earlier behaviors and earlier versions of the EULA/ToS make their actual intent perfectly clear, and agreeing to the Origin EULA includes agreeing to EA making whatever change they wish, whenever they wish, to anything about Origin.

I'm not even gonna bother re posrting earlier posts......again, it's obvious you are not reading them or you just refuse to understand the opposite side of the discussion.

[Zkyire]

Dovahzaan wrote...

After I canceled my pre order I had 50 bucks left and ordered The Witcher 2 to support companies like CD Projekt. After all they don't use DRM.

I will continue to buy CD Projekt games, with no worries.

Why can't Bioware offer the same?

Damnit BW I'm a paying customer who loves your games, why are you messing us around like this?

The only people who DRM impacts are those who have already BOUGHT the game.

Pirates don't have to worry about it.

So why even bother?

[Pixieking]

wolfsite wrote...

Ya but I mean I would love to see actualy agreements between companies to see what is actually going on.

I do realize it has to do with DLC and how it is sold but I would like to see the exact issues are,  I have heard some rumours that the new terms would mean you can only use DLC for your game from Steam if that is were you purchased it and things like that but right now those are just rumours wit no factual evidence.

Just want to see something that goes deeper into the reasoning.

Honestly, it depends upon the game, and how it's developed. I'm sure there's a couple of exceptions, but for the most part, you can buy the main game on Steam and buy DLC from elsewhere - before the Arkham City DLC got added to Steam, people were buying it through the Game For Windows Live client, and it was working fine. What more often happens is that if you want to purchase DLC off of Steam, you need the base game oon Steam. But in those cases the DLC is available elsewhere, if you don't have the base game on Steam.

[Incognito JC]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

So they've temporarily modified it.  So what?

It's earlier behaviors and earlier versions of the EULA/ToS make their actual intent perfectly clear, and agreeing to the Origin EULA includes agreeing to EA making whatever change they wish, whenever they wish, to anything about Origin.

Exactly this. Their actions so far doesn't really make them trustworthy enough.

[Ryzaki]

Zkyire wrote...

Dovahzaan wrote...

After I canceled my pre order I had 50 bucks left and ordered The Witcher 2 to support companies like CD Projekt. After all they don't use DRM.

I will continue to buy CD Projekt games, with no worries.

Why can't Bioware offer the same?

Damnit BW I'm a paying customer who loves your games, why are you messing us around like this?

The only people who DRM impacts are those who have already BOUGHT the game.

Pirates don't have to worry about it.

So why even bother?

Probably because it's not about DRM. It's about money.

[abaris]

[quote]KingDan97 wrote...

[/quote]Says right there in the article that it doesn't actually parse the files, just the file names. Still off, but not devious.
[/quote]

Depends on what you call devious. In my opinion all too many people are getting used to drop their pants whenever some company promises a cookie.

It's data mining, plain and simple and personally I don't care what they parse. They want to invade my privacy and that's something not happening. If generation facebook thinks that's totally OK, feel free to endorse and see how well it sits with your future employers to look at last years party pics.

[Killjoy Cutter]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

It doesn't scan your entire PC, earlier in the thread proof was posted that it is on par with Steam in terms of scanning.

It does seem to do some weird stuff, unless this article and the youtube vid are incorrect.

It's old and very out of date. EA have admited to this being amistake and new versions of Origin are much less intrusive. the Images I posted earlier are from a scan of it I did today so you can see they have improved it.

So they've temporarily modified it.  So what?

It's earlier behaviors and earlier versions of the EULA/ToS make their actual intent perfectly clear, and agreeing to the Origin EULA includes agreeing to EA making whatever change they wish, whenever they wish, to anything about Origin.

I'm not even gonna bother re posrting earlier posts......again, it's obvious you are not reading them or you just refuse to understand the opposite side of the discussion.

I understand it.  Understanding and disagreeing with your naive position at the same time is entirely possible.

[wolfsite]

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Ya but I mean I would love to see actualy agreements between companies to see what is actually going on.

I do realize it has to do with DLC and how it is sold but I would like to see the exact issues are,  I have heard some rumours that the new terms would mean you can only use DLC for your game from Steam if that is were you purchased it and things like that but right now those are just rumours wit no factual evidence.

Just want to see something that goes deeper into the reasoning.

Honestly, it depends upon the game, and how it's developed. I'm sure there's a couple of exceptions, but for the most part, you can buy the main game on Steam and buy DLC from elsewhere - before the Arkham City DLC got added to Steam, people were buying it through the Game For Windows Live client, and it was working fine. What more often happens is that if you want to purchase DLC off of Steam, you need the base game oon Steam. But in those cases the DLC is available elsewhere, if you don't have the base game on Steam.

Ya, as I said those were rumours and I don't rally want to put stock in rumours without any evidence to support it.

[Marionetten]

John Crichton wrote...

This is bull****. it's not on Steam because Valve requires that DLC be available through Steam, meaning you can't use your bioware points scam. Whatever.

Correct. EA didn't want the DLC available on Steam because that meant having to revamp their point system in order to stay competitive.

[KingDan97]

Zkyire wrote...

Dovahzaan wrote...

After I canceled my pre order I had 50 bucks left and ordered The Witcher 2 to support companies like CD Projekt. After all they don't use DRM.

I will continue to buy CD Projekt games, with no worries.

Why can't Bioware offer the same?

Damnit BW I'm a paying customer who loves your games, why are you messing us around like this?

The only people who DRM impacts are those who have already BOUGHT the game.

Pirates don't have to worry about it.

So why even bother?

No DRM, but if they think you might have pirated a copy they'll try to blackmail you for nearly 1000$. Lesser of 2 evils? I think not.

[Crespire]

wolfsite wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

anzolino wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...
So it's because it reads the data on your hard drive? What is the purpose of this?

- improving the products and services
- troubleshooting bugs
- enhancing your user experiences

For these purposes EA wants to collect personally and not-personally data.

Or rather, that's what they're telling us in PR.  Recall that the "user agreements" have mentioned EA being able to sell that data to third parties, as well. 


And really, no matter why they want it, or what they're going to do with it, it's none of their damn business, it's YOUR information, and no one has any real right to it, even if the laws where you live currently allow them to get away with taking it. 

Maybe someone needs to start going after companies that data-mine on IP grounds -- start working legislatures and courts to eventually make each person's information their own IP, so that using it without their permission puts companies in the same spot they keep trying to put individuals in.  Turn the tables.

The current User aggreement states they would never sell personal information to anyone without your permission, unless they are forced to by law.

---------------------

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected,
used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and
sensibly.  Information
about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would
never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines.  We and agents acting
on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without
your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA’s legal rights.

In otherwords, aggregate data is okay. (That is to say, information that doesn't personally identify you.)  Steam does the same thing, to be fair. The issue for me is consolidation of DD services.

[Killjoy Cutter]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Thank you, to the vast majority of you, who have participated in this discussion, spoken your mind, and still followed the forum rules.

For the few of you who have not (example: Gamerpru), I have issued account bans. Please keep in mind that promoting piracy is against the rules of the social network.

And as for those who are complaining that this thread is not stickied yet, I'll change that in a minute.

Thanks,

RI

So where is the line between discussing the facts of what some people out there will do and how EA's foolish move with Origin will affect that activity, and actually promoting actions EA wouldn't like? 

[Incognito JC]

KingDan97 wrote...

No DRM, but if they think you might have pirated a copy they'll try to blackmail you for nearly 1000$. Lesser of 2 evils? I think not.

This isn't a problem for those who actually bought the game, just the actual pirates. It can be easily proven otherwise if you do own it. No DRM means no hassle for legitimate owners.

[Pixieking]

wolfsite wrote...

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Ya but I mean I would love to see actualy agreements between companies to see what is actually going on.

I do realize it has to do with DLC and how it is sold but I would like to see the exact issues are,  I have heard some rumours that the new terms would mean you can only use DLC for your game from Steam if that is were you purchased it and things like that but right now those are just rumours wit no factual evidence.

Just want to see something that goes deeper into the reasoning.

Honestly, it depends upon the game, and how it's developed. I'm sure there's a couple of exceptions, but for the most part, you can buy the main game on Steam and buy DLC from elsewhere - before the Arkham City DLC got added to Steam, people were buying it through the Game For Windows Live client, and it was working fine. What more often happens is that if you want to purchase DLC off of Steam, you need the base game oon Steam. But in those cases the DLC is available elsewhere, if you don't have the base game on Steam.

Ya, as I said those were rumours and I don't rally want to put stock in rumours without any evidence to support it.

That's fair... It's just a shame we're the paying customers, and we don't get to know the real deal about all this.

[Chala]

Good, I'm glad that I dont't need to be online to play the SP