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[Marionetten]

KingDan97 wrote...

No DRM, but if they think you might have pirated a copy they'll try to blackmail you for nearly 1000$. Lesser of 2 evils? I think not.

If you're so concerned about being blackmailed I wonder how you feel about EA's project ten dollar.

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

No DRM, but if they think you might have pirated a copy they'll try to blackmail you for nearly 1000$. Lesser of 2 evils? I think not.

This isn't a problem for those who actually bought the game, just the actual pirates. It can be easily proven otherwise if you do own it. No DRM means no hassle for legitimate owners.

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

I respect them for trying to make things easier on PC gamers, just a shame the Pirates took advantage of them like that.

[crimzontearz]

Chris asked someone to prove them that origin is basically spyware and scansall sort of things it should not, Anzolino. That was done on page 2 by several users. Also he was asked if origin could be removed after the first validation for offline play

as he answered?

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

I respect them for trying to make things easier on PC gamers, just a shame the Pirates took advantage of them like that.

I never saw that article, thank you.

This just made me respect them even more. So much that I might just buy a copy of whatever they publish (other than Witcher) just to show support. I own Witcher 1 and 2 on the PC, definitely getting Witcher 2 again on the PS3. CD Projekt puts other developers to shame.

crimzontearz wrote...

Has he answered?

No he hasn't. Someone mentioned that he is probably asleep, time difference and all.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:53 .

[RaenImrahl]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

So where is the line between discussing the facts of what some people out there will do and how EA's foolish move with Origin will affect that activity, and actually promoting actions EA wouldn't like? 

I don't work for EA, so I don't know what the like or don't like.  I am a gamer like you who, over the last year or so has done on a lot on these forums, so they asked me to be a moderator.

To answer your question, of course there is.  When I see a user offering to show others the best places on the net to pirate software, I think that crosses a line, don't you?

RI

BTW-- A request for all... stop being lazy and quoting entire conversation chains.  Quote the most recent point only.  It's lazy and looks silly and it's hard to ready.

[Luvinn]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

I respect them for trying to make things easier on PC gamers, just a shame the Pirates took advantage of them like that.

I never saw that article, thank you.

This just made me respect them even more. So much that I might just buy a copy of whatever they publish (other than Witcher) just to show support. I own Witcher 1 and 2 on the PC, definitely getting Witcher 2 again on the PS3. CD Projekt puts other developers to shame.

This. Shame a once great company like bioware forgot this. Oh well, no loss for me, just take my money elsewhere. Not like DA3 is going to be any good.

Modifié par Luvinn, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:58 .

[RaenImrahl]

crimzontearz wrote...

Chris asked someone to prove them that origin is basically spyware and scansall sort of things it should not, Anzolino. That was done on page 2 by several users. Also he was asked if origin could be removed after the first validation for offline play

as he answered?

As far as I've seen, he has not.  It's also a weekend.  You might have to patient and wait until next week.

[KingDan97]

Incognito JC wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

No DRM, but if they think you might have pirated a copy they'll try to blackmail you for nearly 1000$. Lesser of 2 evils? I think not.

This isn't a problem for those who actually bought the game, just the actual pirates. It can be easily proven otherwise if you do own it. No DRM means no hassle for legitimate owners.

Every other thread on this forum about Origin has been closed due to talk of piracy and dozens of posts in this very thread talk about how they don't be "Buying:police:" Mass Effect 3. I'd say that if EA were working on similar principles as the oh so beloved CD Project, there'd be more than a few people here that would be affected by it.

And nothing is 100% positive, there's always going to be false positives and negatives and if even one person is bullied into paying 1000$ for something his wifi sucking neighbor used, or be forced into court, then CD Project just lost all validation for the financial harrasment they've been pulling over a game that now costs 30$.

[Nemotenetur]

Alright, if I've read this thread correctly, these are my options:

• Buy game. EA sees its business practice will be accepted and continue to use it. Risk Origin going back to its spyware ways whenever EA deems fit, have no legal recourse against it because of EULA.
• Buy game+whine. Same as 2, chances of something actually changing are negligible, but at least I tried..?
• Buy game+circumvent Origin. Possible breach of national law, and possibility of an account ban with a subsequent loss of all other EA/Bioware games.
• Not buy game+whine. EA may actually get the message, but might blame other factors instead. Awesome Bioware devs don't get my money.
• Not buy game+pirate. EA feels validated, future games will have moar DRM, awesome Bioware devs don't get my money.
• Not buy game+pirate+whine. Nope! Still the same as 5. 

Gah! If only there was a way to get money to Bioware and acquire a copy of the game without Origin I'm not saying I'll cancel my pre-order just yet, but I am very much considering it. Option 3 seems like a workable solution (sandbox), but still gives the wrong signal, not to mention a possible account ban

So, mr Priestly, could you please confirm whether or not the use of a sandbox is considered a bannable offense? Several people in this thread seem to be under the impression this may be the case.

[Sundance31us]

crimzontearz wrote...
Chris asked someone to prove them that origin is basically spyware and scansall sort of things it should not, Anzolino. That was done on page 2 by several users. Also he was asked if origin could be removed after the first validation for offline play

as he answered?

It's Saturday, not everyone works during the weekend.

[KingDan97]

Marionetten wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

No DRM, but if they think you might have pirated a copy they'll try to blackmail you for nearly 1000$. Lesser of 2 evils? I think not.

If you're so concerned about being blackmailed I wonder how you feel about EA's project ten dollar.

Let's see, 12$ DLC that comes with the new copy of the game I'm going to buy... 1000$ fine for a game I've never heard of because my neighbor saps my wifi...

Clealy equivalent, thank you for showing me the foolish error of my ways.

Outside of that, on a forum about PC games(as opposed to console copies) the existance of something coming in all new copies is moot because there are only new copies. So far as console used copies go, it's a known practice now for many so anyone who bothers to go with the used copy for 4$ less is the one to be held at fault, not Bioware/EA.

Modifié par KingDan97, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:03 .

[Lux]

crimzontearz wrote...

Chris asked someone to prove them that origin is basically spyware and scansall sort of things it should not, Anzolino. That was done on page 2 by several users. Also he was asked if origin could be removed after the first validation for offline play

as he answered?

EA is a big corporation. It's not like he can go to the room across the hall and get quick answers about Origin. He can only inform us after he gets that information himself, and that's probably going to happen after the weekend.

[Luvinn]

I too would like to know why any mention of the word "sandbox" and a post is edited. From what I understand, it's a perfectly legal program, and it would allow users to protect themselves from what forced spyware installation would do on their system. How is this a bad thing?

[Ryzaki]

Luvinn wrote...

I too would like to know why any mention of the word "sandbox" and a post is edited. From what I understand, it's a perfectly legal program, and it would allow users to protect themselves from what forced spyware installation would do on their system. How is this a bad thing?

Because it stops EA's datamining that the user agreed to by using their product.

Ra forbid someone keep their privacy.

[Dragoonlordz]

Luvinn wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

I respect them for trying to make things easier on PC gamers, just a shame the Pirates took advantage of them like that.

I never saw that article, thank you.

This just made me respect them even more. So much that I might just buy a copy of whatever they publish (other than Witcher) just to show support. I own Witcher 1 and 2 on the PC, definitely getting Witcher 2 again on the PS3. CD Projekt puts other developers to shame.

This. Shame a once great company like bioware forgot this. Oh well, no loss for me, just take my money elsewhere. Not like DA3 is going to be any good.

And I lost some respect for them for caving in and giving the green light essentially due to actions of no DRM and no risk of punishment which will make them an easier target to steal [copies of their hard work] from. No DRM is good but no risk of punishment aka detterent is not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:07 .

[Travie]

I for one will not be contacting steam in any way shape or form asking for them to have ME3.

ME3 is not on steam because EA wants Origin to succeed, no other reason.

I do not believe for a second that Steam is at fault with its policies.

[Marionetten]

Nemotenetur wrote...

Awesome Bioware

BioWare is EA now. They're not an independent entity capable of making independent decisions anymore. Your money will go straight into EA's pockets and EA will continue defiling this once great studio because that's how the business works. There is no winning anymore.

[Luvinn]

Ryzaki wrote...

Luvinn wrote...

I too would like to know why any mention of the word "sandbox" and a post is edited. From what I understand, it's a perfectly legal program, and it would allow users to protect themselves from what forced spyware installation would do on their system. How is this a bad thing?

Because it stops EA's datamining that the user agreed to by using their product.

Ra forbid someone keep their privacy.

Its sad that it is the only reason that I can think of why they don't want people using it.

[WelshWarden]

Nemotenetur wrote...

Alright, if I've read this thread correctly, these are my options:

• Buy game. EA sees its business practice will be accepted and continue to use it. Risk Origin going back to its spyware ways whenever EA deems fit, have no legal recourse against it because of EULA.
• Buy game+whine. Same as 2, chances of something actually changing are negligible, but at least I tried..?
• Buy game+circumvent Origin. Possible breach of national law, and possibility of an account ban with a subsequent loss of all other EA/Bioware games.
• Not buy game+whine. EA may actually get the message, but might blame other factors instead. Awesome Bioware devs don't get my money.
• Not buy game+pirate. EA feels validated, future games will have moar DRM, awesome Bioware devs don't get my money.
• Not buy game+pirate+whine. Nope! Still the same as 5. 

Gah! If only there was a way to get money to Bioware and acquire a copy of the game without Origin I'm not saying I'll cancel my pre-order just yet, but I am very much considering it. Option 3 seems like a workable solution (sandbox), but still gives the wrong signal, not to mention a possible account ban

So, mr Priestly, could you please confirm whether or not the use of a sandbox is considered a bannable offense? Several people in this thread seem to be under the impression this may be the case.

EULA's are generally not actually enforceable under any national law that I'm aware of simply because it's asking you to sign a contract for a product after the purchase of said product. They'd have to ensure that every retail PC copy of the game along with every digital copy sold through ohter retailers had Origin and the EULA explained and the EULA signed before you actually bought the copy for them to be able to make the clam in court that you've breached contract in your use of it. 

[RaenImrahl]

Luvinn wrote...

I too would like to know why any mention of the word "sandbox" and a post is edited.

I've seen the term used a couple times in this thread... and they're still there.  What "editing" are you refering to?

[KingDan97]

Travie wrote...

I for one will not be contacting steam in any way shape or form asking for them to have ME3.

ME3 is not on steam because EA wants Origin to succeed, no other reason.

I do not believe for a second that Steam is at fault with its policies.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/notch-explains-why-you-cant-find-minecraft-on-steam.ars

Notch gave the exact same reason as to why Minecraft isn't on Steam, do you think he's full of it too?

[Incognito JC]

RaenImrahl wrote...

I've seen the term used a couple times in this thread... and they're still there.  What "editing" are you refering to?

One of the other Origin threads were locked because a couple posters were discussing about sandboxing Origin and how to do it. That might be it. Can't find said thread though, forgot the title.

[Luvinn]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Luvinn wrote...

I too would like to know why any mention of the word "sandbox" and a post is edited.

I've seen the term used a couple times in this thread... and they're still there.  What "editing" are you refering to?

Priestly is deleting any post that mentioned sandbox, at least was doing it last night. Without any reason I might add. Ask Killjoy, he got like 5 of his posts deleted that just referred sandbox.

Modifié par Luvinn, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:12 .

[Travie]

Does anyone else feel like they were just punched in the gut?