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[Pupuppu]

Weskerr wrote...

Well you'll notice that the first person to ask that question was me.

Stickied now.

[LTKerr]

Nemotenetur wrote...

Alright, if I've read this thread correctly, these are my options:

• Buy game. EA sees its business practice will be accepted and continue to use it. Risk Origin going back to its spyware ways whenever EA deems fit, have no legal recourse against it because of EULA.
• Buy game+whine. Same as 2, chances of something actually changing are negligible, but at least I tried..?
• Buy game+circumvent Origin. Possible breach of national law, and possibility of an account ban with a subsequent loss of all other EA/Bioware games.
• Not buy game+whine. EA may actually get the message, but might blame other factors instead. Awesome Bioware devs don't get my money.
• Not buy game+pirate. EA feels validated, future games will have moar DRM, awesome Bioware devs don't get my money.
• Not buy game+pirate+whine. Nope! Still the same as 5. 

Gah! If only there was a way to get money to Bioware and acquire a copy of the game without Origin I'm not saying I'll cancel my pre-order just yet, but I am very much considering it. Option 3 seems like a workable solution (sandbox), but still gives the wrong signal, not to mention a possible account ban

So, mr Priestly, could you please confirm whether or not the use of a sandbox is considered a bannable offense? Several people in this thread seem to be under the impression this may be the case.

Same here. I was going to buy ME3 (Collector's Edition) even when I'm sure ME3 will disappoint me, just for finish the trilogy. Now I read that I MUST install Origin or I can't play a game I paid 70€ for doing so. This is a lot of money, at least for me. I can't pay so much money for something that forces me to install a software I don't want on my computer at all (for whatever reasons). I want to buy ME3, I really do, and I don't want to install Origin.

Modifié par LTKerr, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:23 .

[Ryzaki]

Weskerr wrote...

Well you'll notice that the first person to ask that question was me.

Yeah but it was never stickied. Not when Chris first posted it or anytime after.


edit: wait now it is! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:23 .

[Irongrinder]

Might have to reconsider buying ME3 then. I don't see a reason why I should buy ME3 anywhere else when I have 1 and 2 on Steam.

[Weskerr]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah but it was never stickied. Not when Chris first posted it or anytime after.

You could be right. I thought I saw it stickied when I first saw it. I have no proof though.

Modifié par Weskerr, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:24 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I WANT TO BUY AND PLAY ME3.

I want to purchase your product, EA. I want to use it, and see the end of the story arc. 

I want to give you money in fair exchange for a good that I will enjoy using.   I want to buy a physical copy, that I have in my possession and control for my personal use. 

Sadly, as long as it requires even a whiff of Origin software, I cannot and will not purchase your product, install your product, or use your product.   You will not receive my money.  You will make less money because you are requiring Origin. 

You are not stopping a high-seas raider.  I do not engage in such acts, encourage such acts, or condone such acts.  Requiring Origin will not stop high-seas raiders.  They will still do what they do, sadly. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:28 .

[slimgrin]

I wonder if Bioware is aware that gamers are getting sick of installing clients for each game they buy. While I already have Origin, I will be un-installing everything EA from my PC after I'm done with ME3.

[KingDan97]

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Travie wrote...

I for one will not be contacting steam in any way shape or form asking for them to have ME3.

ME3 is not on steam because EA wants Origin to succeed, no other reason.

I do not believe for a second that Steam is at fault with its policies.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/notch-explains-why-you-cant-find-minecraft-on-steam.ars

Notch gave the exact same reason as to why Minecraft isn't on Steam, do you think he's full of it too?

Notch wants freedom to do random stuff

"We (probably?) wouldn't be able to, say, sell capes or have a map
market place on minecraft.net that works with steam customers in a way
that keeps Valve happy. It would effectively split the Minecraft
community into two parts, where only some of the players can access all
of the weird content we want to add to the game."

EA wants freedom to charge what they like, and to bilk customers out of money with the BioWare points system. There's no reason why standard DLC like, say DA2's Legacy couldn't be on Steam. Except that EA want to keep all the profits for themselves.

You appear to have bolded the wrong part.
"
We (probably?) wouldn't be able to, say, sell capes or have a map 
market place on minecraft.net"

Outside purchases are something Valve wants no more of, I'm not claiming that EA doesn't want to continue using Bioware points for their DLC sales but that's not why the game isn't on Steam, it's because Valve decided they wanted to monotize on everything EA has for it's consumers, regardless of what you think of how they distribute it Valve has no inherent right to that profit. Valve does the same exact thing with Fallout: New Vegas, only the first 2 DLCs are on Direct2Drive because after those released Valve changed it's DLC policies for Steamworks games that the DLC would be made exclusive.

But they get a pass because they're Valve, and monopolizing their own content is just fine, but if EA tries to do it somehow they have no right to it?

Both sides are fueled by greed, I just happen to be of the mind that greed of someone else's things is less valid than greed of your own possessions.

[aridor1570]

Well, this leaves me with only one choice left, buy it off Origin, no point to buy it anywhere else if it'll all end up in Origin, unless you're looking for a discount.

[Sundance31us]

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
Here's a quick and easy solution.
1. Buy ME3
2. Activate through Origin
3. Close Origin
4. Go to My Games folder and launch ME3 from there with Origin closed(I just did it with ME2 but I cannot do it with any Steam game)
5. Play ME3 with Origin off
6. ???
7. REAPERS!!!!

No guarantee that you can do that with ME3. Its actually one of the most repeated questions on this thread.

Chris Priestly wrote...
2) Is constant Origin connection required or is it a single one off authentication when the game is first installed. Is there also a limit to the number of installations available?
Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game. There is no limit to the number of installs. Playing Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer will require a constant connection.

As I recall the question was whether you could delete Origin after the initial authentication was done.

[RaenImrahl]

Sandboxing:  I suppose the use of such software *could* be a way to circumvent DRM, etc.  So let's agree, for now at least, to avoid any more "how to" guides on the subject, okay?  Meantime I'll message Chris and ask him to, at some point, address Bioware/EA's stance on the use of Origin with a virtual environment.

Meanwhile:

Weskerr wrote...

So I guess you were told not to sticky the thread.

Huh?  No.  Sorry to burst your conspiratorial dreams.  I thought I marked the thread as a "sticky", but it may not have saved-- that happens sometimes when a thread is being updated constantly with replies.

Carry on,

RI

[Luvinn]

What else really chaps my hide is the reasons given for not offering games on steam. How's steams terms ANY different from consoles? For all intents and purposes, Steam IS a console for the PC.

[Ryzaki]

Meh I'm not fond of Steam either.

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

[abaris]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Sandboxing:  I suppose the use of such software *could* be a way to circumvent DRM, etc.  So let's agree, for now at least, to avoid any more "how to" guides on the subject, okay?  Meantime I'll message Chris and ask him to, at some point, address Bioware/EA's stance on the use of Origin with a virtual environment.

Fair enough.

Ryzaki wrote...

Meh I'm not fond of Steam either.

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

This

Modifié par abaris, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:30 .

[Weskerr]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

So I guess you were told not to sticky the thread.

Huh?  No.  Sorry to burst your conspiratorial dreams.  I thought I marked the thread as a "sticky", but it may not have saved-- that happens sometimes when a thread is being updated constantly with replies.

Carry on,

RI

Nah I'm not the conspiratorial-believing type. I think what I said was reasonable considering how unpopular the response to the announcement seems to be.

[StarcloudSWG]

6) I’ve seen reports that Origin is spyware. Is this true?
Origin is not spyware, and does not use or install spyware on user’s machines. In order to allow Origin to install games and their patches for everyone to use, Origin implements a permission change that results in Windows, not Origin, reviewing the filenames in the ProgramData/Origin folder

This is evasion. Why does Origin demonstrably create, pack up, encrypt, and send over a megabyte worth of information to EA? What's in that packet? What's it sending?

[Marionetten]

Ryzaki wrote...

Meh I'm not fond of Steam either.

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

The Witcher 2 did it right. Buy it on steam and you get the steamworks version. Enjoy. But it retail and you get a completely DRM free version. Enjoy.

What happened to giving consumers choice? I'm not opposed to an Origin version. I'm opposed to Origin being mandatory bloatware.

[Pixieking]

KingDan97 wrote...

Outside purchases are something Valve wants no more of, I'm not claiming that EA doesn't want to continue using Bioware points for their DLC sales but that's not why the game isn't on Steam, it's because Valve decided they wanted to monotize on everything EA has for it's consumers, regardless of what you think of how they distribute it Valve has no inherent right to that profit. Valve does the same exact thing with Fallout: New Vegas, only the first 2 DLCs are on Direct2Drive because after those released Valve changed it's DLC policies for Steamworks games that the DLC would be made exclusive.

Except selling Steamworks related DLC exclusively doesn't happen:

http://www.greenmang...=shogun&x=0&y=0

http://www.direct2dr...nk-DLC-Download

Maybe D2D don't want to sell the other NV DLC? And, btw, Shogun 2 DLC is what I use as an example for how Steam treat DLC. Available from many many places.

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:32 .

[Veovim]

This has probably been asked plenty of times in the pages before this, but bears repeating:

Will DLC be be available through Origin? Frankly, I'd prefer that to the system in place now, so that I could just use actual money instead of dealing with the points system. I waited to buy any ME2 DLC until it was all out, just so I could make sure I had the right number of points, though I really would have preferred to get some of them (LotSB in particular) right away. Having an opportunity to get the DLC on sale would be nice too, especially if there turns out to be anything I'm wavering on--I ended up not getting Arrival due to negative reviews, but might have anyways if it had been less money.

[Chris Priestly]

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

[Wickedest]

Travie wrote...

I for one will not be contacting steam in any way shape or form asking for them to have ME3.

ME3 is not on steam because EA wants Origin to succeed, no other reason.

I do not believe for a second that Steam is at fault with its policies.

I read the reaction from this Chris person and he is not to blame here. Just a puppet on strings being controlled by ea, his boss. 
Because Steam was number one in this market, EA could only do one thing and one thing only to succeed with their plan to create their own digital playing ground for pc gamers and that is to force them to install some games via Origin. Seeing the fact that both Bf3 and Me3 are big games which will have large sales, it is pretty easy to see that ea is forcing origin to be mandatroy just so that current steam users will have to start useing origin. In the end, the gamers are stuck in the middle and are forced to use more than one platform. Dear god, I serioulsy hope ubisoft, ZeniMax, Rockstar and so on dont also decide to creat their version. 

[Luvinn]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Sandboxing:  I suppose the use of such software *could* be a way to circumvent DRM, etc.  So let's agree, for now at least, to avoid any more "how to" guides on the subject, okay?  Meantime I'll message Chris and ask him to, at some point, address Bioware/EA's stance on the use of Origin with a virtual environment.

I can't for the life of me understand how not letting origin snoop through my personal information is equivalent to circumventing DRM. How about looking through personal information you have no business with is equal to an invansion of privacy? What's fair is fair right?

Chris Priestly wrote...
This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

Typical.....

Modifié par Luvinn, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:33 .

[Ryzaki]

Marionetten wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Meh I'm not fond of Steam either.

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

The Witcher 2 did it right. Buy it on steam and you get the steamworks version. Enjoy. But it retail and you get a completely DRM free version. Enjoy.

What happened to giving consumers choice? I'm not opposed to an Origin version. I'm opposed to Origin being mandatory bloatware.

Agreed.

It's hogging resources on my computer for no reason because I don't download games online or plan on using anything but the game.

Pointless and frustrating is what it is.

[Lynandra]

Ryzaki wrote...

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

This.

[Pixieking]

Chris Priestly wrote...

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

I beg to disagree.

This affects the buying of Mass Effect 3. If you sticky threads on pre-order exclusive items (which has been done in the past, as well as present) then you should sticky this. It's that or I'll make it a priority to *bump* this thread to the first page every couple of days. People should be aware of what they're buying, and people come to Official Forums for this very reason.

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .