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[sackyhack]

I wonder how much of this is going to be like the CoD Black Ops "boycott" where on the release day everybody in the boycott group in Steam was playing it. Not defending Origin (though I've used it for a while with no problems, as unnecessary and clunky as I think it is), just sayin...

[Marionetten]

Chris Priestly wrote...

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

classy. Yes, we'd hate for consumers to be fully aware of what they're buying.

Your avatar has never before been as appropriate, Chris.

[Ryzaki]

Wickedest wrote...

Travie wrote...

I for one will not be contacting steam in any way shape or form asking for them to have ME3.

ME3 is not on steam because EA wants Origin to succeed, no other reason.

I do not believe for a second that Steam is at fault with its policies.

I read the reaction from this Chris person and he is not to blame here. Just a puppet on strings being controlled by ea, his boss. 
Because Steam was number one in this market, EA could only do one thing and one thing only to succeed with their plan to create their own digital playing ground for pc gamers and that is to force them to install some games via Origin. Seeing the fact that both Bf3 and Me3 are big games which will have large sales, it is pretty easy to see that ea is forcing origin to be mandatroy just so that current steam users will have to start useing origin. In the end, the gamers are stuck in the middle and are forced to use more than one platform. Dear god, I serioulsy hope ubisoft, ZeniMax, Rockstar and so on dont also decide to creat their version. 

If EA succeeds why the hell wouldn't they? 

Yay for having multiple clients just to play a game that you bought the boxed version of from a store.

[KingDan97]

Luvinn wrote...

What else really chaps my hide is the reasons given for not offering games on steam. How's steams terms ANY different from consoles? For all intents and purposes, Steam IS a console for the PC.

For all intents and purposes EA has no choice but to deal with console manufacturers if they want to even reach near even on a majority of their games, an Xbox can only play Xbox games, a PS3 can only play PS3 games but a PC with Steam can also have Origin.

It's that simple, as to a potential argument of why they don't make their own console, just look up the Games Crash of '83, Console market oversaturation of platforms leads to mediocre games that cost a lot, PC market oversaturation of platforms leads to smaller platforms dying out but no affect to the actual quality of the game(Ubisoft DRM aside), as to Origin dying out, EA's too big to let Origin die, especially after including mandatory integration into their games with would require them to basically rebuild and rerelease all games coding.

[StarcloudSWG]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
And what about the reports that Origin "reviews the filenames" of the contents of the rest of one's hard drive, not just the ProgramData/Origin folder?

Please provide an example of these reports, other than just rumor and hearsay, and I will investigate them with our Origin team. They may just be rumors, but I will investigate if you have a valid source.

What happens if you don't install ME 3 to the "default" location? What happens if the data isn't in the ProgramData/Origin folder?

What's the ProgramData/Origin folder? Is it in Program Files x86? Is it in Program Files? Where is it really?

[slimgrin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Meh I'm not fond of Steam either.

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

Me too. 

Dues Ex - requires Steam
Arkham City - requires GFWL
ME3 - requires Origin

And of course all this does is encourage piracy so people don't have to install unwanted clients on their PC. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:36 .

[El Neebre]

EA are disgusting for their business methods, they say they want to 'connect to consumers' but they're not even listening to what platform we want to play the game on.

EA won't be getting a penny from me until the game is on Steam.

[Weskerr]

Chris Priestly wrote...

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

See. I was very near the mark, RaenImrah. This does "not need to be stickied." I guess that's a convenient way for BioWare and EA to look at it

[Ryzaki]

slimgrin wrote...
Me too. 

Dues Ex - requires Steam
Arkham City - requires GFWL
ME3 - requires Origin

And of course all this does is encourage piracy so people don't have to install unwanted clients on the PC. 

Exactly it's just pointless and frustrating.

Plus that crap just wastes resources on someone's computer if they're not using it. Just...ugh.

[Pixieking]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Sandboxing:  I suppose the use of such software *could* be a way to circumvent DRM, etc.  So let's agree, for now at least, to avoid any more "how to" guides on the subject, okay?  Meantime I'll message Chris and ask him to, at some point, address Bioware/EA's stance on the use of Origin with a virtual environment.

Meanwhile:

Weskerr wrote...

So I guess you were told not to sticky the thread.

Huh?  No.  Sorry to burst your conspiratorial dreams.  I thought I marked the thread as a "sticky", but it may not have saved-- that happens sometimes when a thread is being updated constantly with replies.

Carry on,

RI

No, it saved. I refreshed the main page a few times.

Chris unstickied it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Stop being faux-obtuse, Priestly. The locked Origin threads are full of screenshots of process monitors showing Origin and its installer rooting through the contents of people's hard drives.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .

[Mclouvins]

Marionetten wrote...


The Witcher 2 did it right. Buy it on steam and you get the steamworks version. Enjoy. But it retail and you get a completely DRM free version. Enjoy.

What happened to giving consumers choice? I'm not opposed to an Origin version. I'm opposed to Origin being mandatory bloatware.

And CDPR got hosed and if they continue to get hosed by tons of PC gamers who demonstrate that they can't be given the benefit of the doubt they are going to buckle and start using drm as well.

[Ryzaki]

Emoking wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

I beg to disagree.

This affects the buying of Mass Effect 3. If you sticky threads on pre-order exclusive items (which has been done in the past, as well as present) then you should sticky this. It's that or I'll make it a priority to *bump* this thread to the first page every couple of days. People should be aware of what they're buying, and people come to Official Forums for this very reason.

This.

The same logic could go for about 50% of the stuff that's stickied.

[Travie]

Luvinn wrote...

I mean, if I can't use legal programs to protect myself, what's next? Bans for using virus scanners? C'mon, get real.

You'd think if anything it would HELP bioware, at least letting people who aren't buying the game now a reason to reconsider...

[shepskisaac]

Chris Priestly wrote...

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

Chris can we get answers on these questions? It's very importand to us

1) If we do not intend to use multiplayer, can we uninstall Origin after completing one time single authorization for the single player game?

2) Also, will I have to install Origin EVERY TIME I install Mass Effect 3, or after one time single authorization I will no longer have to install Origin ever again?

[sackyhack]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
And what about the reports that Origin "reviews the filenames" of the contents of the rest of one's hard drive, not just the ProgramData/Origin folder?

Please provide an example of these reports, other than just rumor and hearsay, and I will investigate them with our Origin team. They may just be rumors, but I will investigate if you have a valid source.

What happens if you don't install ME 3 to the "default" location? What happens if the data isn't in the ProgramData/Origin folder?

What's the ProgramData/Origin folder? Is it in Program Files x86? Is it in Program Files? Where is it really?

Can't speak for ME3 but I was able to install Origin in a custom folder, and then within it I could pick separately where the temporary download folder should be and where the game install directory should be.  And as mentioned before I uninstalled Origin and my games still work from the executables.  I still think the data-mining thing is a serious affront to gamers, but the software itself does some things better than steam (and some things worse).  I'm no Origin fanboy, I have 138 games in Steam and 3 in Origin.  If they just make the folder scanning thing an opt-in like Steam then I really don't have any problems with it.

Modifié par sackyhack, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:40 .

[Zkyire]

Ryzaki wrote...

Meh I'm not fond of Steam either.

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

This, Bioware.

What's so hard about that?

We WANT to play your games, but you're making it rather difficult.

[KingDan97]

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Outside purchases are something Valve wants no more of, I'm not claiming that EA doesn't want to continue using Bioware points for their DLC sales but that's not why the game isn't on Steam, it's because Valve decided they wanted to monotize on everything EA has for it's consumers, regardless of what you think of how they distribute it Valve has no inherent right to that profit. Valve does the same exact thing with Fallout: New Vegas, only the first 2 DLCs are on Direct2Drive because after those released Valve changed it's DLC policies for Steamworks games that the DLC would be made exclusive.

Except selling Steamworks related DLC exclusively doesn't happen:

http://www.greenmang...=shogun&x=0&y=0

http://www.direct2dr...nk-DLC-Download

Maybe D2D don't want to sell the other NV DLC? And, btw, Shogun 2 DLC is what I use as an example for how Steam treat DLC. Available from many many places.

Avoiding the main point there, that EA has the right to their greed just as Valve does(and if you don't believe Valve is trying to convert you just look at the pages of ads you get after closing any game on Steam).

Both require their storefronts be downloaded for their games now, Valve just doesn't like when someone else tries to play by the rules they set for themselves.

[Ryzaki]

Mclouvins wrote...

Marionetten wrote...


The Witcher 2 did it right. Buy it on steam and you get the steamworks version. Enjoy. But it retail and you get a completely DRM free version. Enjoy.

What happened to giving consumers choice? I'm not opposed to an Origin version. I'm opposed to Origin being mandatory bloatware.

And CDPR got hosed and if they continue to get hosed by tons of PC gamers who demonstrate that they can't be given the benefit of the doubt they are going to buckle and start using drm as well.

pirates will pirate. There is no changing that.

CDPR just decided not to hurt their paying customers on something that's not gonna work. Because believe me origin will not be any concern at all for the average pirate. He/she will not have to deal with it.

I'd take a constant disk check over this.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:41 .

[Marionetten]

Mclouvins wrote...

And CDPR got hosed and if they continue to get hosed by tons of PC gamers who demonstrate that they can't be given the benefit of the doubt they are going to buckle and start using drm as well.

They got hosed? The Witcher 2 sold better than Dragon Age II on the PC. It also sold better than some high profile console exclusives like inFAMOUS 2.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ryzaki wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Me too. 

Dues Ex - requires Steam
Arkham City - requires GFWL
ME3 - requires Origin

And of course all this does is encourage piracy so people don't have to install unwanted clients on the PC. 

Exactly it's just pointless and frustrating.

Plus that crap just wastes resources on someone's computer if they're not using it. Just...ugh.

Careful, factually stating that Origin and the like encourange high-seas raiding might be labelled as "encouraging" and lead to a ban for that user. 

Note:  I do not encourage high-seas raiding.

[javierabegazo]

This is why Gog.com is awesome

[Pixieking]

KingDan97 wrote...

Avoiding the main point there, that EA has the right to their greed just as Valve does(and if you don't believe Valve is trying to convert you just look at the pages of ads you get after closing any game on Steam).

Okay... Pages of ads? Yup, Steam wants you to buy games, not pirate them. It just happens they want you to buy from Steam. Got me there.

As for missing the point...

Yes, EA can do what they like with their DLC.

But I am within my rights to complain that what they're doing is anti-competitive and monopolistic.

In short, we're both right.

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 05:43 .

[Ryzaki]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Me too. 

Dues Ex - requires Steam
Arkham City - requires GFWL
ME3 - requires Origin

And of course all this does is encourage piracy so people don't have to install unwanted clients on the PC. 

Exactly it's just pointless and frustrating.

Plus that crap just wastes resources on someone's computer if they're not using it. Just...ugh.

Careful, factually stating that Origin and the like encourange high-seas raiding might be labelled as "encouraging" and lead to a ban for that user. 

Note:  I do not encourage high-seas raiding.

Grr. Fine.

I do not endorse piracy in any shape or form. Seriously. I don't.

Anyway it looks like the threat has the lightbulb thing...(whatever that is) so maybe they changed their mind about the sticky.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Marionetten wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

classy. Yes, we'd hate for consumers to be fully aware of what they're buying.

Your avatar has never before been as appropriate, Chris.

I agree. Also note how this forum's original post implored us to ask questions about how Origin ain't spyware. Notice how not a single question was answered, and the attempt to remove it from the forefront of the BSN. Hell, this isn't even in the News and Announcements sections, where it ought to be!