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[Aargh12]

KingDan97 wrote...
"Claims" that Mojang has made as well, Steam is being just as greedy in this scenario, demanding that they get a cut of any content sold for products on their system on a platform as open as PC. EA may be greedy here, but so is Steam and it's Valve's job to change for EA, because Valve is the one who wants EA's profits, not the other way around.

Every store (digital or retail) wants money from what they are selling, even if the product is not theirs. EVERY SINGLE ONE. And if third-party games are released on Origin, what do you think EA will do? They are going to make profit as everybody else. 

Modifié par Aargh12, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:06 .

[Marionetten]

KingDan97 wrote...

EA may be greedy here, but so is Steam and it's Valve's job to change for EA, because Valve is the one who wants EA's profits, not the other way around.

Surely you're joking. Steam is currently the biggest sales platform on the PC. If anyone is losing out on this it's EA. They're practically repeating Microsoft's blunder.

[KingDan97]

Ryzaki wrote...

Like I said before I just want to buy the game and not have to install some unnecessary crap for me to be able to play.

I don't want to have to install Origin for EA games, Steam for Valve games, and then whoever comes up next for their games, so on and so on.

Especially not when I buy my games in physical boxes.

It's ****. Just because someone else does it doesn't make it any less ****.

Only way you're getting what you want is on Consoles, sorry to tell you.

[Ryzaki]

Aargh12 wrote...
Every store (digital or retail) wants money from what they are selling, even if the product is not theirs. EVERY SINGLE ONE. And if third-party games are released on Origin, what do you think EA will do? They are going to make profit as everybody else. 

This.

Then the big companies will get agitated with them like they did with Steam then make their own D D service and the cycle will begin.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:06 .

[Pixieking]

KingDan97 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Daevos wrote...

Not putting the game on Steam is literally the worst decision I have ever seen a game company make, ever. The folks at EA are short-sighted, greedy, and resorting to desperate measures to push their floundering service. If you believe their claim that this is about Steam's "restrictive terms of service" then you are an idiot.

"Claims" that Mojang has made as well, Steam is being just as greedy in this scenario, demanding that they get a cut of any content sold for products on their system on a platform as open as PC. EA may be greedy here, but so is Steam and it's Valve's job to change for EA, because Valve is the one who wants EA's profits, not the other way around.

Iit's not like EA isn't losing money from their games not being on Steam. Both sides are losing cash.

But EA loses money per sale for each copy of the game they sell through Steam, because Valve takes a cut, whereas your average PC consumer would be willing to use Origin for ME3. They both lose money but the fact is that Valve is losing more money.

Well, yes and no. Steam takes about a 30% cut from sales, which is far less than allot of other places (MS, for example, takes 40%). So, yes, Valve are losing money, and EA are gaining some because of Origin sales. But that's countered by the fact that EA aren't selling anything (relevant) on Steam, so there's a loss of profit from lost sales, if you see what I mean?

[jamesp81]

KingDan97 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Travie wrote...

I for one will not be contacting steam in any way shape or form asking for them to have ME3.

ME3 is not on steam because EA wants Origin to succeed, no other reason.

I do not believe for a second that Steam is at fault with its policies.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/notch-explains-why-you-cant-find-minecraft-on-steam.ars

Notch gave the exact same reason as to why Minecraft isn't on Steam, do you think he's full of it too?

Notch wants freedom to do random stuff

"We (probably?) wouldn't be able to, say, sell capes or have a map
market place on minecraft.net that works with steam customers in a way
that keeps Valve happy. It would effectively split the Minecraft
community into two parts, where only some of the players can access all
of the weird content we want to add to the game."

EA wants freedom to charge what they like, and to bilk customers out of money with the BioWare points system. There's no reason why standard DLC like, say DA2's Legacy couldn't be on Steam. Except that EA want to keep all the profits for themselves.

You appear to have bolded the wrong part.
"
We (probably?) wouldn't be able to, say, sell capes or have a map 
market place on minecraft.net"

Outside purchases are something Valve wants no more of, I'm not claiming that EA doesn't want to continue using Bioware points for their DLC sales but that's not why the game isn't on Steam, it's because Valve decided they wanted to monotize on everything EA has for it's consumers, regardless of what you think of how they distribute it Valve has no inherent right to that profit. Valve does the same exact thing with Fallout: New Vegas, only the first 2 DLCs are on Direct2Drive because after those released Valve changed it's DLC policies for Steamworks games that the DLC would be made exclusive.

But they get a pass because they're Valve, and monopolizing their own content is just fine, but if EA tries to do it somehow they have no right to it?

Both sides are fueled by greed, I just happen to be of the mind that greed of someone else's things is less valid than greed of your own possessions.

Valve can get away with it because...

1) Their client doesn't have nearly the history of being spyware.
2) When people complained about Steam in the early days, they paid attention and fixed it.
3) Steam allows digital purchase of many games from many publishers, as opposed to Origin

4) Valve built a lot of good will from number 2.  EA has no goodwill as they've done a great job pissing it away in recent years.

[Killjoy Cutter]

To some: stop talking about how you're going to "raid" the game. It's just going to get you banned and give Bioware an excuse to lock the thread.

"Raiding" the game is not the answer. No buying, not installing, and not playing the game on PC until Origin is removed, and making it clear that's what you're doing, is the answer.

Don't give them anything, including an excuse to be even bigger D***S.

[Pixieking]

Aargh12 wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
"Claims" that Mojang has made as well, Steam is being just as greedy in this scenario, demanding that they get a cut of any content sold for products on their system on a platform as open as PC. EA may be greedy here, but so is Steam and it's Valve's job to change for EA, because Valve is the one who wants EA's profits, not the other way around.

Every store (digital or retail) wants money from what they are selling, even if the product is not theirs. EVERY SINGLE ONE. And if third-party games are released on Origin, what do you think EA will do? They are going to make profit as everybody else. 

Yup. I wonder what profit EA makes on sales of Bastion and Saints Row 3, for example?

[shepskisaac]

Ottemis wrote...
It's a bunch of people that haven't the foggiest about computer-processes in the end.

Butterfly, you didn't even know Origin account and Origin client are two separate things. So seriously, you're gonna be the one telling us "herasay! Unnecessary drama!"?

[felipejiraya]

Ottemis wrote...

Heresay, speculation.
Use a workstation seperate from your gaming-pc if you want to make sure it's 'secure'.
This is and has been a gradual thing over years and years.

If they would DO anything with this info they might or might not be grabbing off my system without me knowing about it, do things with it in ways that would negatively impact me then yeah, I'm sure I'd be upset.
I just see zero evidence of that.

All i see is a bunch of people extremely afraid of something they're speculating might be true and happening.
Yes proof, balls, no proof. It's a bunch of people that haven't the foggiest about computer-processes in the end.
Raging about something that might be a nessecary part of determining something during install to best suit the user, instead we like to think the apocalypse has come round and the world is ending.

You know what my problem with this thread and people in general is?
Their obsession for negativity and seeing the worst in everybody and any situation.

You might think i'm pitiful posting what I do, that I have no respect for people's concearns but I do.., i just think this entire discussion is meaningless aslong as it's based on heresay, fear, speculation.

^THIS +100000000000000000000000

[Ryzaki]

KingDan97 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Like I said before I just want to buy the game and not have to install some unnecessary crap for me to be able to play.

I don't want to have to install Origin for EA games, Steam for Valve games, and then whoever comes up next for their games, so on and so on.

Especially not when I buy my games in physical boxes.

It's ****. Just because someone else does it doesn't make it any less ****.

Only way you're getting what you want is on Consoles, sorry to tell you.

No there's still games I can buy and just throw in the comp and not have to deal with a DD service downloading for. Only steamwork games and ME3 I've heard of forcing bloatware (well that and GFWL unless I missed something?).

[MarchWaltz]

Thank the maker I am on the console.

But I play dragon age for pc....uh oh....

[Dragoonlordz]

Ryzaki wrote...

Like I said before I just want to buy the game and not have to install some unnecessary crap for me to be able to play.

I don't want to have to install Origin for EA games, Steam for Valve games, and then whoever comes up next for their games, so on and so on.

Especially not when I buy my games in physical boxes.

It's ****. Just because someone else does it doesn't make it any less ****.

Unfortunately in life you do not always get what you want, the same applies here. But until you spend your own millions making a game and distributing it the way you want it your probably not going to get everything you want either. Maybe making a time machine and going back to before the internet you would be very close to getting what you want as piracy was much less back then compared to now due to more limited access to illegal copies where the world wide web did not exist and was not the main distribution of illegal games, music and movies.

Thats the only two solutions to get as close to your ideal as can.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
It's a bunch of people that haven't the foggiest about computer-processes in the end.

Butterfly, you didn't even know Origin account and Origin client are two separate things. So seriously, you're gonna be the one telling us "herasay! Unnecessary drama!"?

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

Then the big companies will get agitated with them like they did with Steam then make their own D D service and the cycle will begin.

Which will be the moment I will switch fully to concoles. I will take Microsoft & Sony with all their idiotic tactics over publishers and their approach to PC market

[jamesp81]

Marionetten wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Meh I'm not fond of Steam either.

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

The Witcher 2 did it right. Buy it on steam and you get the steamworks version. Enjoy. But it retail and you get a completely DRM free version. Enjoy.

What happened to giving consumers choice? I'm not opposed to an Origin version. I'm opposed to Origin being mandatory bloatware.

This

[Ottemis]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
It's a bunch of people that haven't the foggiest about computer-processes in the end.

Butterfly, you didn't even know Origin account and Origin client are two separate things. So seriously, you're gonna be the one telling us "herasay! Unnecessary drama!"?

Sugarplum, that i didn't 'know the difference' was your assumption.
Yep, one 'point' for you. Stop licking windows will ya?

[abaris]

Ottemis wrote...


Heresay, speculation.
Use a workstation seperate from your gaming-pc if you want to make sure it's 'secure'.
This is and has been a gradual thing over years and years.

Got any other bright ideas?

I think it crossed the minds of most of us, this would be some kind of solution. But has it actually occured to you, not everybody has a second worstation?

Probably not.

So I can only assume you're content with what they're offering and asking in return. Have fun and feel free to endorse it. Maybe on facebook, right next to your party pics.

[Ryzaki]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Unfortunately in life you do not always get what you want, the same applies here. But until you spend your own millions making a game and distributing it the way you want it your probably not going to get everything you want either. Maybe making a time machine and going back to before the internet you would be very close to getting what you want as piracy was much less back then compared to now due to more limited access to illegal copies where the world wide web did not exist and was not the main distribution of illegal games, music and movies.

Thats the only two solutions to get as close to your ideal as can.

Actually...there is a way to get what I want. Very simply too. All they have to do is go back to old fashioned DRM schemes. I'm not going to bring up raiding because I don't feel like being banned but yeah it would not be difficult to go back to disk checks. It's not like the current DRM is actually stopping raiding.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:13 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ottemis wrote...

Heresay, speculation.
Use a workstation seperate from your gaming-pc if you want to make sure it's 'secure'.
This is and has been a gradual thing over years and years.

If they would DO anything with this info they might or might not be grabbing off my system without me knowing about it, do things with it in ways that would negatively impact me then yeah, I'm sure I'd be upset.
I just see zero evidence of that.

All i see is a bunch of people extremely afraid of something they're speculating might be true and happening.
Yes proof, balls, no proof. It's a bunch of people that haven't the foggiest about computer-processes in the end.
Raging about something that might be a nessecary part of determining something during install to best suit the user, instead we like to think the apocalypse has come round and the world is ending.

You know what my problem with this thread and people in general is?
Their obsession for negativity and seeing the worst in everybody and any situation.

You might think i'm pitiful posting what I do, that I have no respect for people's concearns but I do.., i just think this entire discussion is meaningless aslong as it's based on heresay, fear, speculation.

Open your eyes, educate yourself, stand up for your privacy and security.

[Steafun]

Is using No-DVD crack legal after purchasing the game?

[Incognito JC]

Ottemis wrote...

Heresay, speculation.
Use a workstation seperate from your gaming-pc if you want to make sure it's 'secure'.
This is and has been a gradual thing over years and years.

Are you seriously suggesting we pay and buy another PC for security? And from a game that isn't meant to threaten our PC security in the first place?


If they would DO anything with this info they might or might not be grabbing off my system without me knowing about it, do things with it in ways that would negatively impact me then yeah, I'm sure I'd be upset.
I just see zero evidence of that.

Heard of the mass hacking lately? Corporations have lost data to hacks even if they do nothing to those data stored, themselves. Allegedly.


All i see is a bunch of people extremely afraid of something they're speculating might be true and happening.
Yes proof, balls, no proof. It's a bunch of people that haven't the foggiest about computer-processes in the end.
Raging about something that might be a nessecary part of determining something during install to best suit the user, instead we like to think the apocalypse has come round and the world is ending.

You know what my problem with this thread and people in general is?
Their obsession for negativity and seeing the worst in everybody and any situation.

You might think i'm pitiful posting what I do, that I have no respect for people's concearns but I do.., i just think this entire discussion is meaningless aslong as it's based on heresay, fear, speculation.

Precaution is better than cure, heard of this saying? A decent amount of evidence is more than rumours. And some precaution is better than crying over spilt milk.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Then the big companies will get agitated with them like they did with Steam then make their own D D service and the cycle will begin.

Which will be the moment I will switch fully to concoles. I will take Microsoft & Sony with all their idiotic tactics over publishers and their approach to PC market

Sadly I think that'll just be the day I do the same.

[KingDan97]

Aargh12 wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
"Claims" that Mojang has made as well, Steam is being just as greedy in this scenario, demanding that they get a cut of any content sold for products on their system on a platform as open as PC. EA may be greedy here, but so is Steam and it's Valve's job to change for EA, because Valve is the one who wants EA's profits, not the other way around.

Every store (digital or retail) wants money from what they are selling, even if the product is not theirs. EVERY SINGLE ONE. And if third-party games are released on Origin, what do you think EA will do? They are going to make profit as everybody else. 

Of course they are, but it will be their responsibility to entice third party developers to take that profit loss per sale, just like it's Valve's job to entice EA to do right now.

You seem to think I'm on EA's side, I'm really not, I don't give any more care to either side, but to claim that somehow EA is at fault for Valves policies(ironicallty, when you have an issue with EA's policies you fully acknowledge it's their job to appeal to you not the other way around) and their feelings about them.

[Ottemis]

abaris wrote...

Ottemis wrote...


Heresay, speculation.
Use a workstation seperate from your gaming-pc if you want to make sure it's 'secure'.
This is and has been a gradual thing over years and years.

Got any other bright ideas?

I think it crossed the minds of most of us, this would be some kind of solution. But has it actually occured to you, not everybody has a second worstation?

Probably not.

So I can only assume you're content with what they're offering and asking in return. Have fun and feel free to endorse it. Maybe on facebook, right next to your party pics.

Obviously.
And look, another conclusion based on nothing at all. Seems to be a recurring pattern in this thread.
By all means continue, the lot of you. Highly amusing.