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[CAPSLOCK FURY]

lololol. Best thread ever.

[RaenImrahl]

Ahem...

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[Pixieking]

Steafun wrote...

Is using No-DVD crack legal after purchasing the game?

Morally, it's fine, since you paid for the product, and are using the no-cd as a "backup".

Technically, it's illegal, because it's using something to circumvent DRM.

[Pallid]

Ottemis wrote...
Heresay, speculation.
Use a workstation seperate from your gaming-pc if you want to make sure it's 'secure'.
This is and has been a gradual thing over years and years.

If they would DO anything with this info they might or might not be grabbing off my system without me knowing about it, do things with it in ways that would negatively impact me then yeah, I'm sure I'd be upset.
I just see zero evidence of that.

All i see is a bunch of people extremely afraid of something they're speculating might be true and happening.

Raging about something that might be a nessecary part of determining something during install to best suit the user, instead we like to think the apocalypse has come round and the world is ending.

You might think i'm pitiful posting what I do, that I have no respect for people's concearns but I do.., i just think this entire discussion is meaningless aslong as it's based on heresay, fear, speculation.

Stop making sense, it's forbidden in this thread.

[Dragoonlordz]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Heresay, speculation.
Use a workstation seperate from your gaming-pc if you want to make sure it's 'secure'.
This is and has been a gradual thing over years and years.

If they would DO anything with this info they might or might not be grabbing off my system without me knowing about it, do things with it in ways that would negatively impact me then yeah, I'm sure I'd be upset.
I just see zero evidence of that.

All i see is a bunch of people extremely afraid of something they're speculating might be true and happening.
Yes proof, balls, no proof. It's a bunch of people that haven't the foggiest about computer-processes in the end.
Raging about something that might be a nessecary part of determining something during install to best suit the user, instead we like to think the apocalypse has come round and the world is ending.

You know what my problem with this thread and people in general is?
Their obsession for negativity and seeing the worst in everybody and any situation.

You might think i'm pitiful posting what I do, that I have no respect for people's concearns but I do.., i just think this entire discussion is meaningless aslong as it's based on heresay, fear, speculation.

Open your eyes, educate yourself, stand up for your privacy and security.

Actually your really asking him to stand up for "your" privacy and (in)securities. He/she is not offended by installing a client but you are which makes it your issue not his or hers.

[Killjoy Cutter]

It's sad when people think that concern of privacy, security, and consumer rights is a laughable subject, worthy of trolling and lolzing.

[shepskisaac]

Ottemis wrote...

Yep, one 'point' for you. Stop licking windows will ya?

Ohh u mad

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Open your eyes, educate yourself, stand up for your privacy and security.

Actually your really asking him to stand up for "your" privacy and (in)securities. He/she is not offended by installing a client but you are which makes it your issue not his or hers.

It's their concern, and your concern, whether you realize it or not. 

[jamesp81]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
And what about the reports that Origin "reviews the filenames" of the contents of the rest of one's hard drive, not just the ProgramData/Origin folder?

Please provide an example of these reports, other than just rumor and hearsay, and I will investigate them with our Origin team. They may just be rumors, but I will investigate if you have a valid source.

What happens if you don't install ME 3 to the "default" location? What happens if the data isn't in the ProgramData/Origin folder?

What's the ProgramData/Origin folder? Is it in Program Files x86? Is it in Program Files? Where is it really?

The ProgramData folder is a Windows Vista / Windows 7 system folder located in the root directory of your hard drive.  It's often used by software to store settings and information that is relevant to said software regardless of which Windows user account it's run under.  It serves pretty much the same function in Vista/7 that the "All Users" Windows account served in XP.

It certainly doesn't have to be used for just that, however, that's just the general intent.

[Pixieking]

Okay, guys, the more it degnerates into name-calling and "Umad", the easier it is for them to ignore us. Please let's stay mindful of the topics and discussions at hand.

[RaenImrahl]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

It's sad when people think that concern of privacy, security, and consumer rights is a laughable subject, worthy of trolling and lolzing.

Do not feed the trolls, please.

[KingDan97]

jamesp81 wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Emoking wrote...
*snip for space*

You appear to have bolded the wrong part.
"
We (probably?) wouldn't be able to, say, sell capes or have a map 
market place on minecraft.net"

Outside purchases are something Valve wants no more of, I'm not claiming that EA doesn't want to continue using Bioware points for their DLC sales but that's not why the game isn't on Steam, it's because Valve decided they wanted to monotize on everything EA has for it's consumers, regardless of what you think of how they distribute it Valve has no inherent right to that profit. Valve does the same exact thing with Fallout: New Vegas, only the first 2 DLCs are on Direct2Drive because after those released Valve changed it's DLC policies for Steamworks games that the DLC would be made exclusive.

But they get a pass because they're Valve, and monopolizing their own content is just fine, but if EA tries to do it somehow they have no right to it?

Both sides are fueled by greed, I just happen to be of the mind that greed of someone else's things is less valid than greed of your own possessions.

Valve can get away with it because...

1) Their client doesn't have nearly the history of being spyware.
2) When people complained about Steam in the early days, they paid attention and fixed it.
3) Steam allows digital purchase of many games from many publishers, as opposed to Origin

4) Valve built a lot of good will from number 2.  EA has no goodwill as they've done a great job pissing it away in recent years.

It's greed regardless of your feelings on it, and Valve is covetting profits they both aren't entitled to and don't have the leverage to force out of EA.

[hangmans tree]

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Modifié par hangmans tree, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

It's sad when people think that concern of privacy, security, and consumer rights is a laughable subject, worthy of trolling and lolzing.

Do not feed the trolls, please.

I didn't realize that I was. 

[Incognito JC]

Ottemis wrote...

Obviously.
And look, another conclusion based on nothing at all. Seems to be a recurring pattern in this thread.
By all means continue, the lot of you. Highly amusing.

This here, is the type of person I mentioned before. Not only you do not contribute anything positive, you just question others and bait people into arguments. At least our "discussions" were civil, not done mockingly like your post.

Like I said, "if you do not have problems with Origin, or if you do not play on the PC, good for you, refrain from posting in here. This news does not concern you whatsoever. All you do is bait arguments."

Modifié par Incognito JC, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:17 .

[Dark Pendora]

Well thats my pre order cancelled, even though it was the retail CE!

Bioware, really you should have said NO ORIGIN REQ, simple ,you did it with The old republic, its fine you can sell it on that stupid, meh whatever but i am so dissapointed by this requirement.

[Dragoonlordz]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

It's sad when people think that concern of privacy, security, and consumer rights is a laughable subject, worthy of trolling and lolzing.

Do not feed the trolls, please.

It is not trolling to have a different opinion. Slightly surprised you don't appear to know the difference.

[Pixieking]

KingDan97 wrote...
Valve is covetting profits they both aren't entitled to and don't have the leverage to force out of EA.

That's something none of us know, and therefore speculation. It may be EA is losing vast amounts of money due to not having games on Steam, and that is Valve's "leverage". We just don't know.

[slimgrin]

I would say the best thing to do is start a petition asking EA to abandon this course of making Origin a requirement, but after spending the dough to get the service up and running I think their path is well plotted. It's a shame too, because when Capcom tried to apply online DRM to SSF4, people raged and Capcom actually withdrew the DRM.

[Ottemis]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Heresay, speculation.
Use a workstation seperate from your gaming-pc if you want to make sure it's 'secure'.
This is and has been a gradual thing over years and years.

Are you seriously suggesting we pay and buy another PC for security? And from a game that isn't meant to threaten our PC security in the first place?

No, i'm suggesting nothing is secure aslong as you don't seperate the two, and even then.. And yes argumentation that 'you might aswell leave your windows open then' is valid, but AS VALID as my point about your workstation security.

If they would DO anything with this info they might or might not be grabbing off my system without me knowing about it, do things with it in ways that would negatively impact me then yeah, I'm sure I'd be upset.
I just see zero evidence of that.
Heard of the mass hacking lately? Corporations have lost data to hacks even if they do nothing to those data stored, themselves. Allegedly.

Yep I hear of it all the time, and I can understand you'd rather not have your info stored somewhere when it's not a nessecity. But then you're hinting towards the data Origin would allegidly be collecting and storing again, wether or not they might use that info. And that again, is speculation.

All i see is a bunch of people extremely afraid of something they're speculating might be true and happening.
Yes proof, balls, no proof. It's a bunch of people that haven't the foggiest about computer-processes in the end.
Raging about something that might be a nessecary part of determining something during install to best suit the user, instead we like to think the apocalypse has come round and the world is ending.

You know what my problem with this thread and people in general is?
Their obsession for negativity and seeing the worst in everybody and any situation.

You might think i'm pitiful posting what I do, that I have no respect for people's concearns but I do.., i just think this entire discussion is meaningless aslong as it's based on heresay, fear, speculation.

Precaution is better than cure, heard of this saying? A decent amount of evidence is more than rumours. And some precaution is better than crying over spilt milk.

Allthough yes? It also makes you a miserable individual. And I mean that in therms of seeing shadows everywhere and losing the ability to be content with anything.
What's healthy is to not judge something before you realisticly can.

While I get that people are WARY, this is extreme and unnessecary.

If we were to fear everyone that has info on us or could use data against us, anything and anyone that is or could be a potential risk to us, our safety, our privacy and our security, we'd never end.

Modifié par Ottemis, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:26 .

[Marionetten]

It's kind of funny and sad how BioWare went from being one of the most celebrated developers on the platform to one of the most loathed. I remember when we were told that EA would have no impact on how BioWare did things. Now we're sitting here and watching BioWare titles be used as sacrificial lambs for EA's bloatware. Did it really have to come to this?

[Dragoonlordz]

AwesomeName wrote...

My last post was just a few minutes ago and is already buried . If you encrypt a folder with something like TrueCrypt (I'm guessing that program let's you do that? Never used it before), will it be safe from Origin?

Not sure don't think I have ever heard of TrueCrypt. I'm guessing it's simliar to old mac program which used to lock and stick password on specific files or folders?

[KingDan97]

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
Valve is covetting profits they both aren't entitled to and don't have the leverage to force out of EA.

That's something none of us know, and therefore speculation. It may be EA is losing vast amounts of money due to not having games on Steam, and that is Valve's "leverage". We just don't know.

How about it doesn't have "enough" leverage.Regardless of whether EA is losing profits, it's a loss it's willing to take in order to create a brand identity for it's digital marketplace.

[abaris]

slimgrin wrote...

I would say the best thing to do is start a petition asking EA to abandon this course of making Origin a requirement, but after spending the dough to get the service up and running I think their path is well plotted.

Money talks in the corporate world. Nothing else. And only if, if, enough people were to cancel their preorder would they take a breather and reconsider.

But I'm not holding my breath there.