5521 réponses à ce sujet

[Dark Pendora]

Marionetten wrote...

It's kind of funny and sad how BioWare went from being one of the most celebrated developers on the platform to one of the most loathed. I remember when we were told that EA would have no impact on how BioWare did things. Now we're sitting here and watching BioWare titles be used as sacrificial lambs for EA's bloatware. Did it really have to come to this?

Thats ea carefully putting their claws around bioware, to never open up again and let the community suck it up.

Im voting with my wallet, even though i would love to play the game, im not buying it, simple as that.

[Incognito JC]

Ottemis wrote...

Allthough yes? It also makes you a miserable individual. And I mean that in therms of seeing shadows everywhere and losing the ability to be content with anything.
What's healthy is to not judge something before you realisticly can.

While I get that people are WARY, this is extreme and unnessecary.

I think you have mixed up people that are wary, like you said, and people with extreme paranoia. Consumers have the right to object to this, especially when we pay for it (and our money is involved).

[Oof]

Well, there goes my sale.

EA are not getting any money from me until they:

stop forcing Origin on me
stop placing pre-release DLC in three thousand separate places
stop releasing day-0 DLC
stop selling rubbish $10 DLC

I know full well this means Goodbye. So, Goodbye, Bioware.

[Ryzaki]

Marionetten wrote...

It's kind of funny and sad how BioWare went from being one of the most celebrated developers on the platform to one of the most loathed. I remember when we were told that EA would have no impact on how BioWare did things. Now we're sitting here and watching BioWare titles be used as sacrificial lambs for EA's bloatware. Did it really have to come to this?

I don't see why anyone is surprised. People were calling this years ago.  

That said loathed is a strong word. I'm not seeing BW as loathed. Don't see them as well loved as they were before though.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:26 .

[KingDan97]

Marionetten wrote...

It's kind of funny and sad how BioWare went from being one of the most celebrated developers on the platform to one of the most loathed. I remember when we were told that EA would have no impact on how BioWare did things. Now we're sitting here and watching BioWare titles be used as sacrificial lambs for EA's bloatware. Did it really have to come to this?

EA hasn't affected how Bioware does things, Bioware hands off the final product to EA(unaltered by EA) and then EA decides how it's distributed.

[teluial]

Steafun wrote...

Is using No-DVD crack legal after purchasing the game?

No.  Both the crack and the knowledge of the crack existing and diseminating said knowledge are violations of the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act).

So are several prime numbers.

[Pixieking]

KingDan97 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
Valve is covetting profits they both aren't entitled to and don't have the leverage to force out of EA.

That's something none of us know, and therefore speculation. It may be EA is losing vast amounts of money due to not having games on Steam, and that is Valve's "leverage". We just don't know.

How about it doesn't have "enough" leverage.Regardless of whether EA is losing profits, it's a loss it's willing to take in order to create a brand identity for it's digital marketplace.

Yeah, that's I think very true. The question (which, like I say, none of us know the answer to) is how much (if anything) they're losing in order to create a competitor to Steam. I don't think financials are opened up that much to non-shareholders, are they?

[StephanieBengal]

Marionetten wrote...

It's kind of funny and sad how BioWare went from being one of the most celebrated developers on the platform to one of the most loathed. I remember when we were told that EA would have no impact on how BioWare did things. Now we're sitting here and watching BioWare titles be used as sacrificial lambs for EA's bloatware. Did it really have to come to this?

Speak for yourself pal, I don't loath Bioware one bit. 

And I always find it funny how people don't act like none of you have anyone tell you what do when it comes to your jobs. 

[hangmans tree]

http://www.gamespot....on-call-6344711
I wish some companies would take heed...

And more... the bans which come with Origin account locked and gamers cut off of their games:
www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/05/ea-origin-bans-update-edition/
a more detailed EA vs gamer adventure:
www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.328868-EA-now-issuing-permanent-Origin-bans-through-content-filter
Am I still not be worried about all this sh!t you drag us through?
What say you?

Modifié par hangmans tree, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[jamesp81]

KingDan97 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Emoking wrote...
*snip for space*

You appear to have bolded the wrong part.
"
We (probably?) wouldn't be able to, say, sell capes or have a map 
market place on minecraft.net"

Outside purchases are something Valve wants no more of, I'm not claiming that EA doesn't want to continue using Bioware points for their DLC sales but that's not why the game isn't on Steam, it's because Valve decided they wanted to monotize on everything EA has for it's consumers, regardless of what you think of how they distribute it Valve has no inherent right to that profit. Valve does the same exact thing with Fallout: New Vegas, only the first 2 DLCs are on Direct2Drive because after those released Valve changed it's DLC policies for Steamworks games that the DLC would be made exclusive.

But they get a pass because they're Valve, and monopolizing their own content is just fine, but if EA tries to do it somehow they have no right to it?

Both sides are fueled by greed, I just happen to be of the mind that greed of someone else's things is less valid than greed of your own possessions.

Valve can get away with it because...

1) Their client doesn't have nearly the history of being spyware.
2) When people complained about Steam in the early days, they paid attention and fixed it.
3) Steam allows digital purchase of many games from many publishers, as opposed to Origin

4) Valve built a lot of good will from number 2.  EA has no goodwill as they've done a great job pissing it away in recent years.

It's greed regardless of your feelings on it, and Valve is covetting profits they both aren't entitled to and don't have the leverage to force out of EA.

That may be so, but after this recent debacle with origin, I'm feeling precisely zero sympathy for EA.

[aridor1570]

Marionetten wrote...

It's kind of funny and sad how BioWare went from being one of the most celebrated developers on the platform to one of the most loathed. I remember when we were told that EA would have no impact on how BioWare did things. Now we're sitting here and watching BioWare titles be used as sacrificial lambs for EA's bloatware. Did it really have to come to this?

I don't think so.

[Ryzaki]

hangmans tree wrote...

http://www.gamespot....on-call-6344711
I wish some companies would take heed...

And more... the bans which come with Origin account locked and gamers cut off their games:
www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/05/ea-origin-bans-update-edition/
a more detailed EA vs gamer adventure:
www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.328868-EA-now-issuing-permanent-Origin-bans-through-content-filter
Am I still not be worried about all this sh!t you drag us through?
What say you?

...please tell me the bolded was fixed? I don't see why being banned from a forum should restrict access to a single player game.

[Wittand25]

AwesomeName wrote...

My last post was just a few minutes ago and is already buried . If you encrypt a folder with something like TrueCrypt (I'm guessing that program let's you do that? Never used it before), will it be safe from Origin?

Since there is not a single known case of Origin accessing any folder that it has no right/reason to access (those ProgrammData videos have been explained several times now, so I will not do that again), your files seem safe even without decryption.
Heck the german computer magazine c´t ran a test with the Origin client and it was not even able to detect cracked versions of EA games.

Modifié par Wittand25, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:27 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It is not trolling to have a different opinion. Slightly surprised you don't appear to know the difference. 

That's because having a different opinion, or actually using your brain instead of swallowing whatever Escapist shoves in your mouth, is considered trolling for a certain group of circlejerking fanboys.

[jd641]

Yuck.

Well, I payed for most of it with a Gamestop gift card so I won't cancel it, but hopefully I can uninstall crapigin after it authenticates.

[Incognito JC]

Marionetten wrote...

It's kind of funny and sad how BioWare went from being one of the most celebrated developers on the platform to one of the most loathed. I remember when we were told that EA would have no impact on how BioWare did things. Now we're sitting here and watching BioWare titles be used as sacrificial lambs for EA's bloatware. Did it really have to come to this?

I don't think anybody loathe Bioware. It's a strong word. It's all down to making a profit from the higher ups (EA). If BW was on their own, they would've *probably* stayed the same as the beloved developers.

[Marionetten]

aridor1570 wrote...

I don't think so.

Looked at the user scores for recent BioWare titles? The current opinion on BioWare is hardly flowers and sunshine.

Their brand has undeniably been harmed by EA's practices. It doesn't help that EA is slapping BioWare on as many new studios as they possibly can.

[jamesp81]

AwesomeName wrote...

My last post was just a few minutes ago and is already buried . If you encrypt a folder with something like TrueCrypt (I'm guessing that program let's you do that? Never used it before), will it be safe from Origin?

No.  Any program run within a booted / encrypted OS can function normally.

The only thing disk encryption does for you is prevents someone from reading data from your hard drive by removing it and plugging it into another machine.   This other machine will not have the decryption key and won't be able to read the drive.

[Wolf]

Merkar wrote...

Gaiden96 wrote...


I don't get it.

EA Says Origin Isn't Spyware, Although It Does Scan Your Entire PC
EA Origin Bans

Thank you for the links.

I understand the situation a bit better now. I see the point of this EULA being to deliver custom-made ads for certain demographics, as a way for EA to expand their business. I also think they are within their rights to verify if you acquired their property in a legal manner. It is fair to want to not lose money by having people who access your content, do so ilegally.

However, if it does escalate beyond something like that which is stipulated in their business plan I do think it calls for action.

We'll see what comes of it.

[Snelle Jaap]

jamesp81 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Meh I'm not fond of Steam either.

I just want to be able to buy the damn game from a store and play it without having to download unnecessary sh**.

That's all I want.

The Witcher 2 did it right. Buy it on steam and you get the steamworks version. Enjoy. But it retail and you get a completely DRM free version. Enjoy.

What happened to giving consumers choice? I'm not opposed to an Origin version. I'm opposed to Origin being mandatory bloatware.

This

That ! 

no Cancel yet, but if Origin (like Steam) MUST BE ON to play this game it wil mean cancel pre order 

[KingDan97]

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
Valve is covetting profits they both aren't entitled to and don't have the leverage to force out of EA.

That's something none of us know, and therefore speculation. It may be EA is losing vast amounts of money due to not having games on Steam, and that is Valve's "leverage". We just don't know.

How about it doesn't have "enough" leverage.Regardless of whether EA is losing profits, it's a loss it's willing to take in order to create a brand identity for it's digital marketplace.

Yeah, that's I think very true. The question (which, like I say, none of us know the answer to) is how much (if anything) they're losing in order to create a competitor to Steam. I don't think financials are opened up that much to non-shareholders, are they?

Well I doubt it's a matter of "how much" so much as it may be a wait and see plan, people are generally weak in their convictions and in 3-4 years if it looks like Origin is here to stay(and with it netting a few third party devs I'd say it already looks that way) people will cave, who those people are is not for me to say, it could be consumers, it could be Valve, but regardless, if Origin starts pulling people in(and with 3 huge releases requiring Origin it will, just like Valve did by forcing Steam on people through Half-Life 2 in a much more broken state) the landscape will change and people will be less opposed to it over time, especially since there's no concrete way for EA to say "well if we were on Steam we would've gotten X thousand more copies sold."

[aridor1570]

Marionetten wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

I don't think so.

Looked at the user scores for recent BioWare titles? The current opinion on BioWare is hardly flowers and sunshine.

Their brand has undeniably been harmed by EA's practices. It doesn't help that EA is slapping BioWare on as many new studios as they possibly can.

Your only valid point is DA2, but it had a short development time and was rushed as hell, and oh don't you dare bring up SWTOR, the thing that's happening to it is something that has been happening to all MMOs in the past, not just SWTOR.

[slimgrin]

So with the whole banning thing. If you get banned from an EA forum, you can't access the game?

[Ryzaki]

aridor1570 wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

aridor1570 wrote...

I don't think so.

Looked at the user scores for recent BioWare titles? The current opinion on BioWare is hardly flowers and sunshine.

Their brand has undeniably been harmed by EA's practices. It doesn't help that EA is slapping BioWare on as many new studios as they possibly can.

Your only valid point is DA2, but it had a short development time and was rushed as hell, and oh don't you dare bring up SWTOR, the thing that's happening to it is something that has been happening to all MMOs in the past, not just SWTOR.

What's wrong with SWTOR?