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[Pixieking]

f1r3storm wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

f1r3storm wrote...

Too bad user scores aren't really meaningful anymore at all nowadays.

I'd say they're far more meaningful than review scores submitted by reviewers receiving 1000 dollar care packages from publishers.

Oh? Well, i have yet to receive such a thing. Maybe i should complain.

Go for it!

[Ryzaki]

teluial wrote...

I would buy Mass Effect 3 DRM-free through GOG.com, like Witcher II and PlaneScape: Torment. I would buy it with Steam DRM. Every single experience I have ever had with EA Origin has been horrible.

I recently bought Dragon Age and Dragon Age 2. I had to download each multiple times because EA distributed faulty keys, could not provide notice when a correct key would be provided, and required the complete re-download of the entire 12 and 8 GiB games just to get a new key. It took approximately 10 days of continuous re-downloads until the installer worked. Then, the launcher refused to allow me to start the game until I made an EA Origin account. So I made an EA Origin account, which took another day because EA's servers kept returning errors whenever I tried to make an account. So, I try again, log in to my EA Origin account through the Dragon Age launcher. Then Dragon Age launches and I have to log into EA Origin again. ... Okay. At this point, I'm prompted for my product keys again. Yes, the same damned keys I got from EA Origin and the same damned keys I already entered during installation. Okay. Now, my game came with DLC. No... it didn't. So I spend the next four hours hunting down the DLC I paid for. I have to download EACH AND EVERY DLC INDIVIDUALLY and run their separate installers which each seem to have some automatic delay built in. One of the things I have to download are the PC high resolution textures, for the PC version of the game I downloaded. I would not have even known about the low quality textures if I hadn't had the foresight to check that my DLC was already installed.

Basically, EA is a really incompetent publisher. Origin is an incompetent effort. Even if it worked, it would still have all the other problems people have mentioned. Maybe EA is really good on the developer side, or maybe their heavy-handed crap works well in the console market, because the console platform developers can hit them back.

Do you know what doesn't suck? GOG.com. Know what else doesn't suck? Steam. Two clicks to buy a game. DLC automatically installs. You only have to deal with CD keys if the game developer or publisher decides to keep their CD key authentication system when they sell on Steam. If you have to enter a key, Steam gives it to you on the Steam console when you start the game up so you can copy and paste it into your game.

You can really tell the difference in focus between Steam and Origin. Steam is focused on customers, like Amazon.com. They have exceptional customer service, and focus on making things as simple and stream-lined as possible for the customer. EA Origin is focused on Steam, and trying to push Steam out of turf they want to take a profit out of. EA cares about "market" in MBA-retardese. The concept of the "customer" can take a flying **** as far as they're concerned.

Sounds annoying as hell frankly.

[Yuoaman]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

@CAPSLOCK FURY and @Slidell505

Enough.  Do not derail the discussion with personal attacks.

Like when you call people with differing opinions trolls, yet don't say anything to the actual trolls? Yeah my confidence in your unbiased moderation of the forums is really skyrocketing.

No, like when you two toss insults back and forth in a thread when that's really something you two should be dealing with privately - and keep this damned thread on topic.

Anyway, has there been any more official statements since last night? I last checked when we were at 31 pages and the thread is a little long for me to read every post now.

[OperativeX]

Gave you guys 2 easy ways to take my money.

1) release the game on Steam.

2) release a physical Retail version which does not require the crapware AKA Origin.

So i guess you won't be seeing my money. Thanks for nothing you selfish pricks.

To EA - you'll get what you deserve. Shaft your customers and they will cut your shaft right off. Expect it EA... expect it.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

Yuoaman wrote...

No, like when you two toss insults back and forth in a thread when that's really something you two should be dealing with privately - and keep this damned thread on topic.

Anyway, has there been any more official statements since last night? I last checked when we were at 31 pages and the thread is a little long for me to read every post now.

Oh right, because pointing out that someone raging about EA/Origin is wrong is not on topic. 

ಠ_ಠ 

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:04 .

[Ryzaki]

The privacy concerns at least could be solved by making it optional like steam does could it not? (the datamining at least) Preferably Origin would be optional with physical copies but...

As for the bloatware. Bleh.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:07 .

[Incognito JC]

Yuoaman wrote...

Anyway, has there been any more official statements since last night? I last checked when we were at 31 pages and the thread is a little long for me to read every post now.

Nothing further from the staff. One can only hope they are listening and at least try fighting for our appeal.

Edit: Which is by making Origin optional for physical copies at least.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .

[IhateEA-Mask]

Stupid EA for making things more annoying.... Even if I wouldn't have other reasons to hate EA and Origins, the fact they are trying to create separate online store from Steam is bad for me because I only use Steam and gog, I'm not going to bother having own store for EA games. I'd rather have them give up on Origins and start putting up more games at Steam, preferably not at annoyingly high prices they have these days there =P

So yeah, nothing for me to add expect to say that I too think that EA sucks.

[Adugan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

Lol, this thread was stickied.

[Pixieking]

Adugan wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

This deos not need to be stickied, just like previous Origin threads did not need to be stickied. If fans want to continue to discuss this, it will remain near the top of the forums.

Lol, this thread was stickied.

Yeah. I think the fact that it details information about the release of the game is what saved it.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Oof wrote...

Well, there goes my sale.

EA are not getting any money from me until they:

stop forcing Origin on me
stop placing pre-release DLC in three thousand separate places
stop releasing day-0 DLC
stop selling rubbish $10 DLC

I know full well this means Goodbye. So, Goodbye, Bioware.

Lol, I like your style.

The feeling I'm getting is, is everyone mainly upset with it on moral grounds or is anyone actually genuinely concerned with prevacy?
Also this thread is strangely entertaining. We havent has something like this since DA2.

[ttchip]

may i throw in that i haven't had any problems whatsoever with playing bf3, which is, as you all know, directly linked to origin?

[Melchiah109]

Ryzaki wrote...

The privacy concerns at least could be solved by making it optional like steam does could it not? (the datamining at least) Preferably Origin would be optional with physical copies but...

As for the bloatware. Bleh.

Steam's scans aren't optional either. That's one of the things people have been getting a lot of misinformation about, I've noticed. The surveys they ask you about are not part of their normal operations, they are meant to gather hardware data from people's machines. However, there is a clause in the Valve policies that basically says the same exact thing as Origin's.

[Thoth_Amon]

Luvinn wrote...

 another major gripe I have with origin. As it is now, it is a buggy pos that should still be in beta.

Yeah, in beta for nearly 7 years.  

[Ryzaki]

Eh privacy isn't the kicker.

It's the fact that I have to have Origin (a DD service) installed for a game I bought in a physical box at a brick and mortar store. It's completely useless to me and a waste of space and time spent downloading it/installing it. It's bloatware just like Steam is for me.

Melchiah109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The
privacy concerns at least could be solved by making it optional like
steam does could it not? (the datamining at least) Preferably Origin
would be optional with physical copies but...

As for the bloatware. Bleh.

Steam's
scans aren't optional either. That's one of the things people have been
getting a lot of misinformation about, I've noticed. The surveys they
ask you about are not part of their normal operations, they are meant to
gather hardware data from people's machines. However, there is a clause
in the Valve policies that basically says the same exact thing as
Origin's.

Really? 

I wonder if it still gathers my data if I have it on always offline mode.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:14 .

[Pixieking]

Melchiah109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The privacy concerns at least could be solved by making it optional like steam does could it not? (the datamining at least) Preferably Origin would be optional with physical copies but...

As for the bloatware. Bleh.

Steam's scans aren't optional either. That's one of the things people have been getting a lot of misinformation about, I've noticed. The surveys they ask you about are not part of their normal operations, they are meant to gather hardware data from people's machines. However, there is a clause in the Valve policies that basically says the same exact thing as Origin's.

Quote? Where exactly?

Btw, the SSA (which is Steam's version of Origin's EULA)

http://store.steampo...iber_agreement/

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:14 .

[Ottemis]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

I'm just saying, don't get too afraid of sh*t potentially biting you in the ass.. while you might be right and they might, they also might not and while you were worrying about all these things you're missing out.

I also think, and this goes a bit too deep for this discussion but hey... that this wary-ness and inherent distrust is a serious concearn for people, in general. Society as a whole.

Don't get me wrong, I won't be missing out on ME3. At this point, it's whether I should still get the ME3 CE on launch or not. Eventually, either Origin would flop, or they will prove to be a trusted program. Being wary just delays the entertainment bit a little, not devoid of it entirely.

Off topic, but yes, distrust is vast and common, and humanity's actions have endorsed it.

Yeah that it's there is logical enough, but it escalating in responce is the part where people should put their foots down individually ideally. Because if we don't, it'll just get worse.
It's the difference between respecting or trusting someone while not knowing them, or not respecting/ trusting them because you don't. That's not about what is realistic, it's about the person you do or don't want to become.

[slimgrin]

ttchip wrote...

may i throw in that i haven't had any problems whatsoever with playing bf3, which is, as you all know, directly linked to origin?

I haven't so far either, which is good. But it doesn't mean I wanted to sign up for it in the first place. It's still bloatware.

[Adugan]

Melchiah109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The privacy concerns at least could be solved by making it optional like steam does could it not? (the datamining at least) Preferably Origin would be optional with physical copies but...

As for the bloatware. Bleh.

Steam's scans aren't optional either. That's one of the things people have been getting a lot of misinformation about, I've noticed. The surveys they ask you about are not part of their normal operations, they are meant to gather hardware data from people's machines. However, there is a clause in the Valve policies that basically says the same exact thing as Origin's.

I dont really care what Steam knows about my hardware or how many hours i played L4D. If Steam starts scanning my tax returns and photo folders, I will have a problem.

[IhateEA-Mask]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh privacy isn't the kicker.

It's the fact that I have to have Origin (a DD service) installed for a game I bought in a physical box at a brick and mortar store. It's completely useless to me and a waste of space and time spent downloading it/installing it.

Excactly. Espicially since only game for me there will be ME 3 ;P

[Marionetten]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

The feeling I'm getting is, is everyone mainly upset with it on moral grounds or is anyone actually genuinely concerned with prevacy?

For me it's both. I don't use facebook or anything like it and I'm extremely careful about where I put personal information. That said, I also don't like this development in the industry. How long will it take before all publishers have their own platforms forcing us to install millions of different clients and jump through even more hoops? As a legitimate consumer I'm just tired of having to deal with all of this.

[abaris]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...


The feeling I'm getting is, is everyone mainly upset with it on moral grounds or is anyone actually genuinely concerned with prevacy?

In my case both actually. First, if I can help it, I don't invite anything collecting any data into my computer. Now I'm not saying, they're using that data for some dark undisclosed purposes. But I'm not interested in getting offers from them either. I don't want them to try to figure out my habits, my likes and dislikes.

Same goes for every company. If I want to buy something I make a conscious decision and the last thing I want are some offers. What's more, I'm not interested in automatic patches. I want my patches here on my hard drive, ready to install and not having to download them each time I reinstall my product.

Last, but not least. They don't offer anything of value in return. I'm not into multiplayer, I'm not into chatting, I'm not into social networking. So it boils down to some useless client, opening a backdoor that can be abused if they were to be hacked. Which happened already to other major players on the market.

[In Exile]

Ryzaki wrote...
Oh okay because I've heard nothing but good things about it. (save a few bugs). So I was wondering...heck I'm planning on getting it myself.

Insofar as the non-MMO, SP style aspect is concerned, it's your usual Bioware fare with with more open world (TW2 style). It's not incredible by any stretch, but it's not a bad game. IMO, ignoring the combat system, it's sort of what DA2 could have been.

[Relix28]

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

No, like when you two toss insults back and forth in a thread when that's really something you two should be dealing with privately - and keep this damned thread on topic.

Anyway, has there been any more official statements since last night? I last checked when we were at 31 pages and the thread is a little long for me to read every post now.

Oh right, because pointing out that someone raging about EA/Origin is wrong is not on topic. 

ಠ_ಠ 

You can point it out without insults. What exactly don't you get?

Modifié par Relix28, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:17 .

[Ottemis]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh privacy isn't the kicker.

It's the fact that I have to have Origin (a DD service) installed for a game I bought in a physical box at a brick and mortar store. It's completely useless to me and a waste of space and time spent downloading it/installing it.

Excactly. Espicially since only game for me there will be ME 3 ;P

So you're only against Origin because 'Steam did it first'?