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[Pixieking]

Mister Mida wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Welllll...

Every account on Steam has something on it. Whether it's a free to play game, or the entire catalogue. A lot of those may not be played on a lot; a lot may be auto-start with windows and that's it. Whetver. But every account has at least 1 game (unless someone knows more than I?  )

So what?

"Steam's got 40M accounts, that's something else than users."

I was pointing out that, actually, no: accounts = users, pretty much.

[slimgrin]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Steam's got 40M accounts, that's something else than users.

Whatever, they've got milions of active users and the majority of DD market. Along with forcing Steam in Valve games, they also did everything to ensure people they can be trusted. EA is only forcing Origin, without taking any steps to gain trust.

So as long as trust is gained, forcing stuff on people is okay?

Nope.

I consider both Steam and Origin s***. Steam's is at least easier to swallow though. (and both of them are probably preferable to GFWL).

Yeah, I'm sounding like a broken record here, but it's having to install a client to play a new game, and the number of unwanted clients on my PC is steadily rising. In this light, Steam is like any other client, and I never wanted it on my PC in the first place. GoG has the right idea: no strings attatched. Period. If only they could break into the new games market.

Modifié par slimgrin, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:45 .

[Ryzaki]

Adugan wrote...

Apparently GFWL devs got the message that they are hated and unwanted, and are trying to make GFWL actually useful and provide a good service. Too lazy to find the interview link.

Sounds promising but I'll believe it when I see it.

[Mister Mida]

Ryzaki wrote...

Nope.

I consider both Steam and Origin s***. Steam's is at least easier to swallow though. (and both of them are probably preferable to GFWL). With Steam I can at least get something in return for putting that crap on my comp (yes I consider it crap. I don't use Steam for anything because I don't DD games.)

What exactly do I get with Origin other than the ability to play the game (that probably isn't even dependant on Origin to start with?).

I don't know much about GfWL, but what I know makes me think Microsoft has a better idea than Valve and EA. Where Steam and Origin seem lazily slapped on top of the game, GfWL is actually integrated in the game. I don't have to ask permission with that like I need to with Steam and Origin.

[Pixieking]

Melchiah109 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The privacy concerns at least could be solved by making it optional like steam does could it not? (the datamining at least) Preferably Origin would be optional with physical copies but...

As for the bloatware. Bleh.

Steam's scans aren't optional either. That's one of the things people have been getting a lot of misinformation about, I've noticed. The surveys they ask you about are not part of their normal operations, they are meant to gather hardware data from people's machines. However, there is a clause in the Valve policies that basically says the same exact thing as Origin's.

Quote? Where exactly?

Btw, the SSA (which is Steam's version of Origin's EULA)

http://store.steampo...iber_agreement/

http://www.valvesoft...om/privacy.html 

They have the option to, okay... But still not seeing anything that say they do.

[Fiery Phoenix]

As much as I don't like to admit it, I *know* people will find a way past Origin as early as weeks following ME3's release--perhaps even sooner. Nothing is "required" in the PC gaming world anymore. Not that I'm too concerned since I'm 360, but I'm 100% sure that's what's going to happen.

[Mister Mida]

Emoking wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

So what?

"Steam's got 40M accounts, that's something else than users."

I was pointing out that, actually, no: accounts = users, pretty much.

And how would you know this?

You also need to take into account that people can have multiple accounts and that they can be inactive. I'll admit I got a Steam account, but I sure as hell don't use it.
And let's not forget the motivation of using Steam. Did they install it willingly, or were they forced to because of Steamworks?

Modifié par Mister Mida, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:48 .

[Melchiah109]

Emoking wrote...


They have the option to, okay... But still not seeing anything that say they do.

And that has to do with...what exactly?

You told them they can. Wheter they do or not is irrelevant to the equation. 

[Ryzaki]

slimgrin wrote...
Yeah, I'm sounding like a broken record here, but it's having to install a client to play a new game, and the number of unwanted clients on my PC is steadily rising. In this light, Steam is like any other client, and I never wanted it on my PC. GoG has the right idea: no strings attatched. Period. If only they could break into the new games market.

This. With Origin I now have 3 unnecessary clients on my comp. Who's next? Ubisoft? Activision?

[ttchip]

Ryzaki wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Apparently GFWL devs got the message that they are hated and unwanted, and are trying to make GFWL actually useful and provide a good service. Too lazy to find the interview link.

Sounds promising but I'll believe it when I see it.

i remember using steam + gfwl when i wanted to play w40k:dow2... ****in pain in the ass. its matchmaking was the biggest pile of undigested poop ever known to mankind. it would pair me up with random people all over the world, leading to unbearable lag and an overall terrible experience. that has been about 3-4 years ago.

[IhateEA-Mask]

I don't mind Steam, I actually like it, though I agree that gog's system is good too. Preferable for me for other companies to copy if they suddenly want to sell their games themselves

[Pixieking]

Mister Mida wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Welllll...

Every account on Steam has something on it. Whether it's a free to play game, or the entire catalogue. A lot of those may not be played on a lot; a lot may be auto-start with windows and that's it. Whetver. But every account has at least 1 game (unless someone knows more than I?  )

So what?

"Steam's got 40M accounts, that's something else than users."

I was pointing out that, actually, no: accounts = users, pretty much.

And how would you know this?

You also need to take into account that people can have multiple
accounts and that they can be inactive. I'll admit I got a Steam
account, but I sure as hell don't use it.
And let's not forget the motivation of using Steam. Did they install it willingly, or were they forced to because of Steamworks?

Every Steam account ties to an email account. It has to tie to an email account. Now, yes, some people have multiple accounts tied to the same email account, which is why I added "pretty much". But, still. 40 million account tied, to, oh, let's say 20 million email accounts? That's still 20 million people who are users.

Just saw your edit. 

Not denying that they might've been forced to install it, but that still makes them a user, for if they were forced to install it, they bought a game that was Steamworks. So, you kinda proved my point. And, yes, some people don't use them... or just use them occasionally. but they were still users at one point.

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:56 .

[Ryzaki]

Mister Mida wrote...

I don't know much about GfWL, but what I know makes me think Microsoft has a better idea than Valve and EA. Where Steam and Origin seem lazily slapped on top of the game, GfWL is actually integrated in the game. I don't have to ask permission with that like I need to with Steam and Origin.

Eh my experiences with GFWL weren't that bad it just feels unnecessary. (or maybe I blocked the more rage inducing crap from my mind. I dunno).

ttchip wrote...
i remember using steam + gfwl when i wanted to
play w40k:dow2... ****in pain in the ass. its matchmaking was the
biggest pile of undigested poop ever known to mankind. it would pair me
up with random people all over the world, leading to unbearable lag and
an overall terrible experience. that has been about 3-4 years ago.

And that's why I stick to SP. Still had to log in for some boggling reason though.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[Incognito JC]

Ryzaki wrote...

This. With Origin I now have 3 unnecessary clients on my comp. Who's next? Ubisoft? Activision?

Steam, GFWL and Origin makes 3?

PS: Always get Ubi games on the console if you can, less hassle. Their games are more suited to a controller anyway.

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...

This. With Origin I now have 3 unnecessary clients on my comp. Who's next? Ubisoft? Activision?

Well, with Ubisoft PC games, you already need this nonsense called uPlay installed to play games. It's not a store, YET. Doesn't affect me anymore since I'm long done buying any Ubisoft games for how they treat PC gamers. I now only buy used PS3 games by Ubi

[Pixieking]

Mister Mida wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Nope.

I consider both Steam and Origin s***. Steam's is at least easier to swallow though. (and both of them are probably preferable to GFWL). With Steam I can at least get something in return for putting that crap on my comp (yes I consider it crap. I don't use Steam for anything because I don't DD games.)

What exactly do I get with Origin other than the ability to play the game (that probably isn't even dependant on Origin to start with?).

I don't know much about GfWL, but what I know makes me think Microsoft has a better idea than Valve and EA. Where Steam and Origin seem lazily slapped on top of the game, GfWL is actually integrated in the game. I don't have to ask permission with that like I need to with Steam and Origin.

http://hardforum.com...d.php?t=1660715

There's plenty of users with that self-same G4WL problem, btw.

[slimgrin]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

This. With Origin I now have 3 unnecessary clients on my comp. Who's next? Ubisoft? Activision?

Steam, GFWL and Origin makes 3?

Uhmm. Yes? 

[Ryzaki]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

This. With Origin I now have 3 unnecessary clients on my comp. Who's next? Ubisoft? Activision?

Steam, GFWL and Origin makes 3?

PS: Always get Ubi games on the console if you can, less hassle. Their games are more suited to a controller anyway.

Yup. What I counted wrong or something? 

I don't like playing on console too much. I have to fight over the big screen TV.

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

This. With Origin I now have 3 unnecessary clients on my comp. Who's next? Ubisoft? Activision?

Well,
with Ubisoft PC games, you already need this nonsense called uPlay
installed to play games. It's not a store, YET. Doesn't affect me
anymore since I'm long done buying any Ubisoft games for how they treat
PC gamers. I now only buy used PS3 games by Ubi [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png[/smilie]

...Ugh I forgot about that. Granted the last PC Ubisoft game I played was AC2 and that's where I kind of said F them and their internet connection bull. (They dropped it afterwards though right?)

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:54 .

[Incognito JC]

slimgrin wrote...

Uhmm. Yes? 

Not a trick question, just good to know that I'm not alone >.>

(No Origin yet, but it may or may not change in the future)

[Mister Mida]

Emoking wrote...

http://hardforum.com...d.php?t=1660715

There's plenty of users with that self-same G4WL problem, btw.

Like I said, my experience is limited when it comes to GfWL and if I can I will avoid it as well.

Also, you kinda have to expect a game with two different DRMs (Steamworks and GfWL) to give problems.

[Dovahzaan]

It's ridiculous. When you watch the ME 1 bonus DVD, where Casey Hudson talked euphoric about their new product "Mass Effect" and how they just wanted to make an awesome game for everyone. Now, 6 years later, it seems their only goal is to make money. No matter what.

[Incognito JC]

Ryzaki wrote...

(They dropped it afterwards though right?)

Yup, AC2 was the only exception. The following 2 AC titles no longer has that connection thing. At least they learn quick enough that nobody likes it.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Incognito JC wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Uhmm. Yes? 

Not a trick question, just good to know that I'm not alone >.>

(No Origin yet, but it may or may not change in the future)

I have 4 clients. Xfire, Steam, GWLive!, Origin (yes you can buy games via xfire)

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

Chris Priestly wrote...


5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Chris plese this is.....awful......such a PR trick ...for such important thing 


i hope i am wrong but as far as i know:

ORIGIN client starts collecting data immediately after installation, even before you lunch the game, actually before you even install it.
You have to install origin client before installing the game, therefore data will be collected anyway.

ehm i can opt out from what kind of data collection?
data that concern my playstyle, game class,deaths, hours played or my private data, collected from my program folder?
this has to be specified.

if this opt out clause regards only GAMEPLAY DATA then Chris you are just pulling my leg, in a horrible, horrible way...

actually, if that is the case, you are trying to circumvent some important issues for many PC customers  by selling an opt out clause for something totally different..... i hope i misunderstood the answer and in that case i will apologize

i have to say i have nothing against origin as a new gameclient, but i have problems with it's implemantation of data collecting.

is it true that ORIGIN only collects data from this folder Chris :
ProgramData/Origin folder ?
by that what is  meant: Origin folder contained in program data or actually both folders?

i would like to know also what other windows folder are analyzed, in the case that origin doesn't stop at the folder containing EA games


i hope you can answer these questions, as the answers will play a big part in my purchase of ME3 and actually of any future Bioware game.

thanks.


 

[Dragoonlordz]

ttchip wrote...

is it just me or are the last few pages somewhat reasonable, rational discussion instead of the overdone drama we had for the first 60 ones?

im kinda astonished, guys.

It's mix and match of both, once over-reaction becomes just reaction things always tend to calm down. The first 40-60 pages are in the state of over-reaction for the most part. Now it is heading into just reaction territory hence why calmed down a bit as less people are relying on huff and puff and instead relying more on details and information plus debate. It's mix and match still though because new people will come in and rage and make threats that most likely won't keep or older posters will reply and try to kick it off again into hissy fits because it gets more reactions.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:59 .