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[Ryzaki]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

(They dropped it afterwards though right?)

Yup, AC2 was the only exception. The following 2 AC titles no longer has that connection thing. At least they learn quick enough that nobody likes it.

Thank ra for that. That was some atrocious DRM. People need to learn everyone doesn't have a constant internet connection.

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Incognito JC wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Uhmm. Yes? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/blushing.png[/smilie]

Not a trick question, just good to know that I'm not alone >.>

(No Origin yet, but it may or may not change in the future)

I have 4 clients. Xfire, Steam, GWLive!, Origin (yes you can buy games via xfire)

You can? Huh. How are the prices? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:59 .

[Incognito JC]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

I have 4 clients. Xfire, Steam, GWLive!, Origin (yes you can buy games via xfire)

Oooh, I have Xfire too, if you consider that as a client. That was more of a convenience than a nuinsance. I like its chat feature across most PC games. Sometimes it's the only way to communicate.

Ryzaki wrote...

Thank ra for that. That was some atrocious DRM. People need to learn everyone doesn't have a constant internet connection.

Now, if only Blizzard does something about Diablo 3's similar DRM..

Ottemis wrote...

Seeing as this isn't so, all bets are off now and I'm sure we CAN expect it to not stop with Origin.

All we ask is for them to make Origin optional in ME3, such as KoA:R did. It is definitely reasonable as opposed to having Origin scrapped altogether.

Modifié par Incognito JC, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .

[Ottemis]

Well, I can understand that people don't appreciate having to install the umpteenth program and have yet another login to play certain games, but the fault doesn't so much lie with Origin as it does with the fact that it's necessary at all.

If something like this was kicked off, you'd think ideally it would have been an all-encompassing thing that would allow all game-developers to use it, or WANT to use it. Seeing as this isn't so, all bets are off now and I'm sure we CAN expect it to not stop with Origin.

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

I have 4 clients. Xfire, Steam, GWLive!, Origin (yes you can buy games via xfire)

Oooh, I have Xfire too, if you consider that as a client. That was more of a convenience than a nuinsance. I like its chat feature across most PC games. Sometimes it's the only way to communicate.

Ryzaki wrote...

Thank ra for that. That was some atrocious DRM. People need to learn everyone doesn't have a constant internet connection.

Now, if only Blizzard does something about Diablo 3's similar DRM..

Diablo 3 will sell like mad,  even my friend is like "I don't like how they are setting up.... but I'm buying it anyway."

[Luvinn]

Yea, number 5 on Priestly's list is such a blatant attempt at masking the issue with origin that it makes me sick. Do you seriously think that we are all morons that we would not see that. ME3 data collection is NOT the data collection we are talking about. The fact that you put that in the FAQ list is nothing short of insulting, if not a direct shot at covering up the real issue.

[Thoth_Amon]

ShaneP wrote...
If you're basing your decision not to play ME3 solely on the fact that Origin is used you will be the ones missing out on a fantastic game. Millions of people will still buy and play the game. You're not taking a moral or ethical stance you're simply letting paranoia rule over rationality.

That's debatable and ME3 could very well be another Dragon Age 2.  

And paranoia isn't the same as not liking a publisher's business practices and how they treat consumers.  You must not pay much attention to gaming because there's more than enough high quality games coming out this year.  So I miss out on one game?  Big deal, that's just money for a more deserving studio and publisher.  By all means, enjoy the game but get all high and mighty here.

Modifié par Thoth_Amon, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:03 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Emoking wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The privacy concerns at least could be solved by making it optional like steam does could it not? (the datamining at least) Preferably Origin would be optional with physical copies but...

As for the bloatware. Bleh.

Steam's scans aren't optional either. That's one of the things people have been getting a lot of misinformation about, I've noticed. The surveys they ask you about are not part of their normal operations, they are meant to gather hardware data from people's machines. However, there is a clause in the Valve policies that basically says the same exact thing as Origin's.

Quote? Where exactly?

Btw, the SSA (which is Steam's version of Origin's EULA)

http://store.steampo...iber_agreement/

http://www.valvesoft...om/privacy.html 

They have the option to, okay... But still not seeing anything that say they do.

And yet that is the same thing for the people who are moaning about the same aspect for Origin. People have shown quite a few times now what it actually scans and they are still angry over the fact EULA says possible to do but in reality it doesnt actually do. Like you said in your example "option to" but "not actually do".


http://imageshack.us...2/originr.jpg/ 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:04 .

[IhateEA-Mask]

Ottemis wrote...

Well, I can understand that people don't appreciate having to install the umpteenth program and have yet another login to play certain games, but the fault doesn't so much lie with Origin as it does with the fact that it's necessary at all.

If something like this was kicked off, you'd think ideally it would have been an all-encompassing thing that would allow all game-developers to use it, or WANT to use it. Seeing as this isn't so, all bets are off now and I'm sure we CAN expect it to not stop with Origin.

Umm, how come on it is necessary?

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

Well, I can understand that people don't appreciate having to install the umpteenth program and have yet another login to play certain games, but the fault doesn't so much lie with Origin as it does with the fact that it's necessary at all.

If something like this was kicked off, you'd think ideally it would have been an all-encompassing thing that would allow all game-developers to use it, or WANT to use it. Seeing as this isn't so, all bets are off now and I'm sure we CAN expect it to not stop with Origin.

The thing is that you might not even need to have the client running. Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know BF3 is the only game that need Origin client if you want to play Origin game. I have only tested Crysis 2 and SW:TOR and those do not need Origin client at all.

[Adugan]

If people start boycotting Origin and move to consoles, will EA become Ubisoft and make PC players' lives harder with terrible DRM and all that stuff? That is the real question here.


 

Tup3xi wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Well, I can understand that people don't appreciate having to install the umpteenth program and have yet another login to play certain games, but the fault doesn't so much lie with Origin as it does with the fact that it's necessary at all.

If something like this was kicked off, you'd think ideally it would have been an all-encompassing thing that would allow all game-developers to use it, or WANT to use it. Seeing as this isn't so, all bets are off now and I'm sure we CAN expect it to not stop with Origin.

The thing is that you might not even need to have the client running. Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know BF3 is the only game that need Origin client if you want to play Origin game. I have only tested Crysis 2 and SW:TOR and those do not need Origin client at all.

I am pretty sure that if you have Crysis 2 on EADM it does not require Origin. Also, having an MMO require a service like Origin or Steam is stupid and unreasonanble. What if the Origin/Steam servers go offline? Will everyone be booted in the middle of a dungeon?

Modifié par Adugan, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:04 .

[abaris]

Ottemis wrote...

If something like this was kicked off, you'd think ideally it would have been an all-encompassing thing that would allow all game-developers to use it, or WANT to use it. Seeing as this isn't so, all bets are off now and I'm sure we CAN expect it to not stop with Origin.

As I said, from the business perspective it makes perfect sense.

People were anticipating the last part of a trilogy. Therefore they're hoping they will swallow whatever they throw at them. And it will probably work, since in this time and age, many folks don't think nothing of installing yet another client, yet another app.

Adugan wrote...

If people start boycotting Origin and move
to consoles, will EA become Ubisoft and make PC players' lives harder
with terrible DRM and all that stuff? That is the real question
here.

And what would that achieve? I mean, aside of moving to the console isn't an option for me for too many reasons to mention, you'd still buy their games,

Modifié par abaris, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:05 .

[Pepper4]

Crap.

[Ryzaki]

Incognito JC wrote...

Now, if only Blizzard does something about Diablo 3's similar DRM..

Ouch. I'm not interested in Diablo 3 but that blows.

All we ask is for them to make Origin optional in ME3, such as KoA:R did. It is definitely reasonable as opposed to having Origin scrapped altogether.

Especially for physical boxed copies bought in brick and mortar stores.

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

Diablo 3 will sell like mad,  even my friend is like "I don't like how they are setting up.... but I'm buying it anyway."

I have the same bunch of friends. "WTF?! Constant online connection?! FFFFFF-- Oh I'm getting the CE."

[Ottemis]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

ShaneP wrote...
If you're basing your decision not to play ME3 solely on the fact that Origin is used you will be the ones missing out on a fantastic game. Millions of people will still buy and play the game. You're not taking a moral or ethical stance you're simply letting paranoia rule over rationality.

That's debatable and ME3 could vert well be another Dragon Age 2.  

And paranoia isn't the same as not liking a publisher business practices and how they treat consumers.  You must not pay much attention to gaming because there's more than enough high quality games coming out this year.  So I miss out on one game?  Big deal, that's just money for a more deserving studio and publisher.  By all means, enjoy the game but get all high and mighty here.

What's also debatable is DA2 having been a less than satisfactory game, just saying.

Adugan wrote...

If people start boycotting Origin and move to consoles, will EA become Ubisoft and make PC players' lives harder
with terrible DRM and all that stuff? That is the real question here.

Tup3xi wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Well,
I can understand that people don't appreciate having to install the umpteenth program and have yet another login to play certain games, but the fault doesn't so much lie with Origin as it does with the fact that it's necessary at all.

If something like this was kicked off, you'd think ideally it would have been an all-encompassing thing that would allow all game-developers to use it, or WANT to use it. Seeing as this isn't so, all bets are off now and I'm sure we CAN expect it to not stop with Origin.

The thing is that you might not even need to have the client running. Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know BF3 is the only game that need Origin client if you want to play Origin game. I have only tested Crysis 2 and SW:TOR and those do not need Origin client at all.

I am pretty sure that if you have Crysis 2 on EADM it does not require Origin. Also, having an MMO require a service like Origin or Steam is stupid and unreasonanble. What if the Origin/Steam servers go offline? Will everyone be booted in the middle of a dungeon?

Same with the single player aspect of ME3, wouldn't make sense to require an online connection all the time. Arguably also the multiplayer but I'm guessing it uses your Origin friendslist to help create custom matches with people much like steam and gamespy.

Dungeon defenders online coop mode requires trendy-net connections which seems directly linked into steam's uptime as it's their servers. Asin, when my steam friendslist goes offline, so does trendynet. So yeah, I reckon to SOME extend such issues are unavoidable cause you have to do it some way but nonetheless highly un-advisable to link stuff together in such a fashion.

Modifié par Ottemis, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:17 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Luvinn wrote...

Yea, number 5 on Priestly's list is such a blatant attempt at masking the issue with origin that it makes me sick. Do you seriously think that we are all morons that we would not see that. ME3 data collection is NOT the data collection we are talking about. The fact that you put that in the FAQ list is nothing short of insulting, if not a direct shot at covering up the real issue.

This. It's scary to me that the official word is basically trying to lead people into false conclusions. And it works like a charm, too.

[Pixieking]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

And yet that is the same thing for the people who are moaning about the same aspect for Origin. People have shown quite a few times now what it actually scans and they are still angry over the fact EULA says possible to do but in reality it doesnt actually do. Like you said in your example "option to" but "not actually do".

True. I suppose I just have faith in Steam, because they've been pretty good in the past. Whereas EA... Not so much.

Modifié par Emoking, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:05 .

[Thoth_Amon]

Adugan wrote...

If people start boycotting Origin and move to consoles, will EA become Ubisoft and make PC players' lives harder with terrible DRM and all that stuff? That is the real question here.

I'd be perfectly fine if EA stopped making PC games all together.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Melchiah109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The privacy concerns at least could be solved by making it optional like steam does could it not? (the datamining at least) Preferably Origin would be optional with physical copies but...

As for the bloatware. Bleh.

Steam's scans aren't optional either. That's one of the things people have been getting a lot of misinformation about, I've noticed. The surveys they ask you about are not part of their normal operations, they are meant to gather hardware data from people's machines. However, there is a clause in the Valve policies that basically says the same exact thing as Origin's.

Quote? Where exactly?

Btw, the SSA (which is Steam's version of Origin's EULA)

http://store.steampo...iber_agreement/

http://www.valvesoft...om/privacy.html 

They have the option to, okay... But still not seeing anything that say they do.

And yet that is the same thing for the people who are moaning about the same aspect for Origin. People have shown quite a few times now what it actually scans and they are still angry over the fact EULA says possible to do but in reality it doesnt actually do. Like you said in your example "option to" but "not actually do".

http://imageshack.us...2/originr.jpg/ 

ffs people stop using outdated pictures. there have been at least 5 origin updates including today's patch
here's the most actual picture http://img52.imagesh...68/originci.png (yup i did it today)

[IhateEA-Mask]

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

[Weskerr]

BAOBAB_AOTEAROA wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...


5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Chris plese this is.....awful......such a PR trick ...for such important thing 


i hope i am wrong but as far as i know:

ORIGIN client starts collecting data immediately after installation, even before you lunch the game, actually before you even install it.
You have to install origin client before installing the game, therefore data will be collected anyway.

ehm i can opt out from what kind of data collection?
data that concern my playstyle, game class,deaths, hours played or my private data, collected from my program folder?
this has to be specified.

if this opt out clause regards only GAMEPLAY DATA then Chris you are just pulling my leg, in a horrible, horrible way...

actually, if that is the case, you are trying to circumvent some important issues for many PC customers  by selling an opt out clause for something totally different..... i hope i misunderstood the answer and in that case i will apologize

i have to say i have nothing against origin as a new gameclient, but i have problems with it's implemantation of data collecting.

is it true that ORIGIN only collects data from this folder Chris :
ProgramData/Origin folder ?
by that what is  meant: Origin folder contained in program data or actually both folders?

i would like to know also what other windows folder are analyzed, in the case that origin doesn't stop at the folder containing EA games


i hope you can answer these questions, as the answers will play a big part in my purchase of ME3 and actually of any future Bioware game.

thanks.


 

You haven't misunderstood the answer. In his post, he pretends to address the issue most people have with Origin (datamining) by answering with a non-sequitar. It is exactly as you said - a public relations trick. So shameless too!

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Ryzaki - the prices were on the same level as steams. For now they are changing something as the store has been disabled for now.

Incognito - xfire usually makes my games lag, including the old ones But yeah, it's good communicator So I use it only to talk. I use steam for communication during games.

[TwistedComplex]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Because EA wants to be the next Steam and they want Bioware to be the next Blizzard.

And I'm going the laugh when they fail miserably 

[Ryzaki]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki - the prices were on the same level as steams. For now they are changing something as the store has been disabled for now.

Incognito - xfire usually makes my games lag, including the old ones But yeah, it's good communicator So I use it only to talk. I use steam for communication during games.

Ah okay.


As for Steam so you *can't* opt out of sending data to Steam?

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:11 .