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[eyesofastorm]

Chris Priestly wrote...

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

I find this wording curious.  It suggests you can opt out of metric data that Bioware would collect about play habits.  it specifically does not address data collection by Origin on matters that are not ME3 related.  Ironically, I actually don't care about metric data being collected and sent back to Bioware.  Can we get some clarification on whether this is just careless wording or if it is intentional?  Also still curious about whether one can install Origin, install ME3, authenticate, uninstall Origin and then have unfettered access to the single player campaign.  Chris, I saw you mention that one could delete one's Origin account after 14 days of non-activity... which doesn't answer this question.  I don't care if I have an account on file on your side.  What concerns me is whether your client is installed on my pc.  

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Incognito JC wrote...

Koremark wrote...

Question about Origin in regards to Multiplayer.

Will it be used to stop hacks being used in multiplayer ?

I can't answer the question, but I do not think hacking the game here would be that big of a deal when there is no competitive mode to grief other players..

Competitive or no, I'm sure they'll go after co-op cheaters all the same.

[Adugan]

TwistedComplex wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Because EA wants to be the next Steam and they want Bioware to be the next Blizzard.

And I'm going the laugh when they fail miserably 

Lol I never realized that but it is true.

[wolfsite]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Other companies will see that as a huge loss in sales, especiialy when charging $40-$50 per game.

I give Kudos to CD Project for sticking to it's guns and not implementing DRM for the future right now.  But that is a huge hit to there profits which is used to produce future games.  That is what most business will see and why they feel DRM is necessary.

I have heard pirates claim "They do it to protect consumer freedoms" but when you do this to a company that tried to do the right thing.......... Well the pirates can go  <Expletive> themselves.

[SnakeStrike8]

So there it is.
If nothing else, I feel compelled to thank Bioware for coming out with an unambiguous statement on the Origin requirement. What with people insisting that they were keeping things quiet just to avoid the forum raging, it's refreshing to see a direct statement.
Kudos, Bioware!

[IhateEA-Mask]

wolfsite wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Other companies will see that as a huge loss in sales, especiialy when charging $40-$50 per game.

I give Kudos to CD Project for sticking to it's guns and not implementing DRM for the future right now.  But that is a huge hit to there profits which is used to produce future games.  That is what most business will see and why they feel DRM is necessary.

I have heard pirates claim "They do it to protect consumer freedoms" but when you do this to a company that tried to do the right thing.......... Well the pirates can go  <Expletive> themselves.

But the point is, pirates are jerks, they aren't going to buy the game just because it has DRM, if it has DRM(that works) they will just find the another way, hence why only people troubled by DRM are actual customers which results in that it could cause loss of sales because people who don't buy games won't buy them either way, but people who DO buy them might be annoyed because of DRM to the point they don't buy games with them anymore

[Pixieking]

wolfsite wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Estimated 4.5 million pirated copies.

http://www.gamesindu...-at-4-5m-copies

""There are no stats available, but let's make a quick calculation," says Iwinski of the 4.5 million number.

"I was checking regularly the number of concurrent downloads on torrent
aggregating sites, and for the first 6-8 weeks there was around 20-30
thousand people downloading it at the same time. Let's take 20 thousand
as the average and let's take 6 weeks.

"The game is 14GB, so let's assume that on an average not-too-fast
connection it will be 6 hours of download. 6 weeks is 56 days, which
equals to 1344 hours; and with 6 hours of average download time to get
the game it would give us 224 downloads, then let's multiply it by 20
thousand simultaneous downloaders.

"The result is roughly 4.5 million illegal downloads. This is only an
estimation, and I would say that's rather on the optimistic side of
things; as of today we have sold over 1 million legal copies, so having
only 4.5-5 illegal copies for each legal one would be not a bad ratio.
The reality is probably way worse.""

[Dovahzaan]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

So there it is.
If nothing else, I feel compelled to thank Bioware for coming out with an unambiguous statement on the Origin requirement. What with people insisting that they were keeping things quiet just to avoid the forum raging, it's refreshing to see a direct statement.
Kudos, Bioware!

I wouldn't say thats a direct statement:

Chris Priestly wrote...

5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection?  
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game. 

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

[mcneil_1]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Diablo 3 will sell like mad,  even my friend is like "I don't like how they are setting up.... but I'm buying it anyway."

I have the same bunch of friends. "WTF?! Constant online connection?! FFFFFF-- Oh I'm getting the CE."

Count me in on the CE bandwagon as well (and I just noticed the Constant online connection for D3 as well )

[wolfsite]

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Other companies will see that as a huge loss in sales, especiialy when charging $40-$50 per game.

I give Kudos to CD Project for sticking to it's guns and not implementing DRM for the future right now.  But that is a huge hit to there profits which is used to produce future games.  That is what most business will see and why they feel DRM is necessary.

I have heard pirates claim "They do it to protect consumer freedoms" but when you do this to a company that tried to do the right thing.......... Well the pirates can go  <Expletive> themselves.

But the point is, pirates are jerks, they aren't going to buy the game just because it has DRM, if it has DRM(that works) they will just find the another way, hence why only people troubled by DRM are actual customers which results in that it could cause loss of sales because people who don't buy games won't buy them either way, but people who DO buy them might be annoyed because of DRM to the point they don't buy games with them anymore

Correct, but until those numbers start going down DRM is going to stay.  Corporations for the most part look at numbers (Especially if they are Public corporations with stock holders they need to appease)  When they see numbers like that it just says to them they need a tougher DRM system.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki
- the prices were on the same level as steams. For now they are
changing something as the store has been disabled for now.

Incognito
- xfire usually makes my games lag, including the old ones But yeah,
it's good communicator So I use it only to talk. I use steam for
communication during games.

Ah okay.


As for Steam so you *can't* opt out of sending data to Steam?

You can agree or disagree for data collection on Steam. I don't remember exactly when, but you do that during installation or during registration/first loging in

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:19 .

[wolfsite]

Emoking wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Estimated 4.5 million pirated copies.

http://www.gamesindu...-at-4-5m-copies

""There are no stats available, but let's make a quick calculation," says Iwinski of the 4.5 million number.

"I was checking regularly the number of concurrent downloads on torrent
aggregating sites, and for the first 6-8 weeks there was around 20-30
thousand people downloading it at the same time. Let's take 20 thousand
as the average and let's take 6 weeks.

"The game is 14GB, so let's assume that on an average not-too-fast
connection it will be 6 hours of download. 6 weeks is 56 days, which
equals to 1344 hours; and with 6 hours of average download time to get
the game it would give us 224 downloads, then let's multiply it by 20
thousand simultaneous downloaders.

"The result is roughly 4.5 million illegal downloads. This is only an
estimation, and I would say that's rather on the optimistic side of
things; as of today we have sold over 1 million legal copies, so having
only 4.5-5 illegal copies for each legal one would be not a bad ratio.
The reality is probably way worse.""

Thanks for the update on that.  But still it just horrible it happenned since they were hoping to show that it's DRM that was causing piracy.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

wolfsite wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Other companies will see that as a huge loss in sales, especiialy when charging $40-$50 per game.

I give Kudos to CD Project for sticking to it's guns and not implementing DRM for the future right now.  But that is a huge hit to there profits which is used to produce future games.  That is what most business will see and why they feel DRM is necessary.

I have heard pirates claim "They do it to protect consumer freedoms" but when you do this to a company that tried to do the right thing.......... Well the pirates can go  <Expletive> themselves.

DRM doesn't prevent pirates from playing anyway.  Assassins Creed games have atrocious DRM, and yet they're still pirated to hell and back. 

[IhateEA-Mask]

wolfsite wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

IhateEA-Mask wrote...

I asked why the heck it would be necessary to make game need Origin? It doesn't prevent pirates from doing anything, it will only problem the actual customers.

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Other companies will see that as a huge loss in sales, especiialy when charging $40-$50 per game.

I give Kudos to CD Project for sticking to it's guns and not implementing DRM for the future right now.  But that is a huge hit to there profits which is used to produce future games.  That is what most business will see and why they feel DRM is necessary.

I have heard pirates claim "They do it to protect consumer freedoms" but when you do this to a company that tried to do the right thing.......... Well the pirates can go  <Expletive> themselves.

But the point is, pirates are jerks, they aren't going to buy the game just because it has DRM, if it has DRM(that works) they will just find the another way, hence why only people troubled by DRM are actual customers which results in that it could cause loss of sales because people who don't buy games won't buy them either way, but people who DO buy them might be annoyed because of DRM to the point they don't buy games with them anymore

Correct, but until those numbers start going down DRM is going to stay.  Corporations for the most part look at numbers (Especially if they are Public corporations with stock holders they need to appease)  When they see numbers like that it just says to them they need a tougher DRM system.

Hence why they are idiots, numbers will never go down if the game is popular enough as people who get stuff free obviously don't plan pay for their stuff and its impossible to actually prevent piracy. I do get why they are trying to prevent piracy, but like I said, its just not possible to do and trying to prevent it can be more damaging on these days.

[BAOBAB_AOTEAROA]

Weskerr wrote...

BAOBAB_AOTEAROA wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...


5) Is there an opt in or opt out clause for data collection? 
Users will be allowed to opt-out of Mass Effect 3 data collection from inside the game.

Chris plese this is.....awful......such a PR trick ...for such important thing 


i hope i am wrong but as far as i know:

ORIGIN client starts collecting data immediately after installation, even before you lunch the game, actually before you even install it.
You have to install origin client before installing the game, therefore data will be collected anyway.

ehm i can opt out from what kind of data collection?
data that concern my playstyle, game class,deaths, hours played or my private data, collected from my program folder?
this has to be specified.

if this opt out clause regards only GAMEPLAY DATA then Chris you are just pulling my leg, in a horrible, horrible way...

actually, if that is the case, you are trying to circumvent some important issues for many PC customers  by selling an opt out clause for something totally different..... i hope i misunderstood the answer and in that case i will apologize

i have to say i have nothing against origin as a new gameclient, but i have problems with it's implemantation of data collecting.

is it true that ORIGIN only collects data from this folder Chris :
ProgramData/Origin folder ?
by that what is  meant: Origin folder contained in program data or actually both folders?

i would like to know also what other windows folder are analyzed, in the case that origin doesn't stop at the folder containing EA games


i hope you can answer these questions, as the answers will play a big part in my purchase of ME3 and actually of any future Bioware game.

thanks.


 

You haven't misunderstood the answer. In his post, he pretends to address the issue most people have with Origin (datamining) by answering with a non-sequitar. It is exactly as you said - a public relations trick. So shameless too!

it is really shameless, really nice adjective there..... but in that case we can find some others too.....

[chris2365]

Off-topic: I come home after a long night, go to IGN, and right on the front page '' Mass Effect 3 to require Origin''. I read the article, and when I finished, I said to myself '' Hmm, I wonder how BSN is doing''. 73 pages in less than a day. I knew this would happen

As for Origin, I don't really care. What could EA possibly do with my science report? What do I care if they see what games I play? Unless you do accounting or something work related on your computer, you shouldn't be worried. Apart from Origin, it's the same one use activation code we're used to. Anyone who is willing to miss out on Mass Effect 3 just because of Origin, probably isn't a big fan to begin with ( note the probably in my sentence).

[Ryzaki]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki
- the prices were on the same level as steams. For now they are
changing something as the store has been disabled for now.

Incognito
- xfire usually makes my games lag, including the old ones But yeah,
it's good communicator So I use it only to talk. I use steam for
communication during games.

Ah okay.


As for Steam so you *can't* opt out of sending data to Steam?

You can agree or disagree for data collection on Steam. I don't remember exactly when, but you do that during installation or during registration/first loging in

Then why were people saying it was only for certain scenarios? 

[Incognito JC]

wolfsite wrote...

Thanks for the update on that.  But still it just horrible it happenned since they were hoping to show that it's DRM that was causing piracy.

Then again, they might not have 1 million sales if they added a crappy DRM into the game.

[wolfsite]

Incognito JC wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Thanks for the update on that.  But still it just horrible it happenned since they were hoping to show that it's DRM that was causing piracy.

Then again, they might not have 1 million sales if they added a crappy DRM into the game.

Well the Steam version has DRM (Steam) wonder how many sales were done there?

(I'm just wondering I'm not trying to provoke   )

[Bobrzy]

I don't care, even if they did scan my computer, what could they possibly find? Couple of backup DVD images from my favorite games that i do not redistribute or share in any way? Couple of movies that i tend to watch from time to time that i like? Or even maybe my famous fapfolder, that has pictures and videos of women and men having multiple intercourses with each other?

I honestly don't care, it's clearly stated that data collected is ANONYMOUS, so it doesn't affect me personally in any way.

[Ryzaki]

Didn't a Dev already do the DRM test? I could've sworn some devs (not sure who) released two different games, one with DRM and one without. There wasn't a large difference in sales.

Anyway I have my crappy novel I've been writing for 6 years on my comp.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:24 .

[IhateEA-Mask]

lightsnow13 wrote...

That's really frustrating... I stopped illegally downloading music and just buy it instead. It's....just so FRUSTRATING why people do this! I wish people would be more honest and respectful.

People will pirate humble bundle games while they are on sales even though they can just pay one cent for them. On top of that they are using Humble Bundle's servers resulting in that they have to pay more bandwich cost. In other words, some people just hate spending money when they can get free even if its dirt cheap =P

Modifié par IhateEA-Mask, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:24 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Ryzaki
- the prices were on the same level as steams. For now they are
changing something as the store has been disabled for now.

Incognito
- xfire usually makes my games lag, including the old ones But yeah,
it's good communicator So I use it only to talk. I use steam for
communication during games.

Ah okay.


As for Steam so you *can't* opt out of sending data to Steam?

You can agree or disagree for data collection on Steam. I don't remember exactly when, but you do that during installation or during registration/first loging in

Then why were people saying it was only for certain scenarios? 

Officially it's for gathering hardware information. unofficially? they might be gathering more than neccesarry if one agrees, but it's hard to know.

Modifié par PnXMarcin1PL, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:24 .