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[IronSabbath88]

Honestly, I don't play on PC so I really shouldn't be commenting on this.. but something I have to say.

I wouldn't blame BioWare TOO much for this. I mean sure, it sucks and it's balls that PC gaming has maybe come to this, but BioWare only makes the game.. as for what EA does with it, well, they don't really have a choice in that matter. Sad but true.

[Luvinn]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...


Speaking of which, Blizzard has gone straight up retarded, ever since WoW, they have changed their business practices and approach to maximizing profits (different philosophy, one I don't agree with)

Thats why I'm done with Blizzard as a company, and will never play their games anymore. Much the same reason why im done with Bioware now. Will I buy ME3? Maybe. But I will play it. I'll just borrow it from a friend a week after. Easy way to save 60 bucks I guess. But I will not support a company with these shoddy practices.

[SnakeStrike8]

Weskerr wrote...

jreezy wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Other companies will see that as a huge loss in sales, especiialy when charging $40-$50 per game.

I give Kudos to CD Project for sticking to it's guns and not implementing DRM for the future right now.  But that is a huge hit to there profits which is used to produce future games.  That is what most business will see and why they feel DRM is necessary.

I have heard pirates claim "They do it to protect consumer freedoms" but when you do this to a company that tried to do the right thing.......... Well the pirates can go  <Expletive> themselves.

Agree with this. Kudos to CD Projekt indeed but what happened with Witcher 2 really does justify why companies use DRM.

Well CD Projekt's logic is that since DRMs don't stem pirating, then publishers might as well not create DRMs. It's a gesture of good faith to their customers and makes it more likely (they believe) that their games will continue to be purchased in the future. It might even increase sales.

I think they have the right idea.

Ultimatey, it's a shame. I've always felt that developers need to take the first step in this DRM business and prove to their customers that they trust them to buy well made products. Witcher 2 was a great game and I felt like CDP deserved the 50 bucks I spent on it.
Reading that article really made me feel depressed.

[El Neebre]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Honestly, I don't play on PC so I really shouldn't be commenting on this.. but something I have to say.

I wouldn't blame BioWare TOO much for this. I mean sure, it sucks and it's balls that PC gaming has maybe come to this, but BioWare only makes the game.. as for what EA does with it, well, they don't really have a choice in that matter. Sad but true.

Well it's not BioWare's fault, it's EA's fault - they're publishing it.

[IronSabbath88]

El Neebre wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Honestly, I don't play on PC so I really shouldn't be commenting on this.. but something I have to say.

I wouldn't blame BioWare TOO much for this. I mean sure, it sucks and it's balls that PC gaming has maybe come to this, but BioWare only makes the game.. as for what EA does with it, well, they don't really have a choice in that matter. Sad but true.

Well it's not BioWare's fault, it's EA's fault - they're publishing it.

I know, some people are making it out like BioWare are to blame though.

[hangmans tree]

IsaacShep wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

Well CD Projekt's logic is that since DRMs don't stem pirating, then publishers might as well not create DRMs. It's a gesture of good faith to their customers and makes it more likely (they believe) that their games will continue to be purchased in the future. It might even increase sales.

I think they have the right idea.

Or it's simply their reasonable pragmatism. Why spend millions on something that won't stop the pirates and will only affect and irritate legitimate customers?

The most important part of the open letter to us gamers is that the weight of the problem shifts on us. We wont implement DRM coz you dont like it - Iwiński says - but the piracy will hurt them anyway and thus WE WONT BE ABLE TO ENJOY ANOTHER GREAT GAMES from publishers like CDPR. So we have to educate and preach to others, friends and foes, to stop it. In the end we, the gamers, are hurt in this mother****ing mess of a business.
I convinced my friends to buy TW2, they did, it got to them that its the good way to go in the long run. Everyone who cares should do the same. I think. I've spoken.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:44 .

[Incognito JC]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I know, some people are making it out like BioWare are to blame though.

Not many people here are blaming BW for Origin. If anything, they might just be blamed for letting EA buy them over entirely.

[IhateEA-Mask]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

El Neebre wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Honestly, I don't play on PC so I really shouldn't be commenting on this.. but something I have to say.

I wouldn't blame BioWare TOO much for this. I mean sure, it sucks and it's balls that PC gaming has maybe come to this, but BioWare only makes the game.. as for what EA does with it, well, they don't really have a choice in that matter. Sad but true.

Well it's not BioWare's fault, it's EA's fault - they're publishing it.

I know, some people are making it out like BioWare are to blame though.

I'm blaming EA, not Bioware. Though I suppose that is obvious from my username xD

[ShaneP]

Thoth_Amon wrote...
That's debatable and ME3 could very well be another Dragon Age 2.  

And paranoia isn't the same as not liking a publisher's business practices and how they treat consumers.  You must not pay much attention to gaming because there's more than enough high quality games coming out this year.  So I miss out on one game?  Big deal, that's just money for a more deserving studio and publisher.  By all means, enjoy the game but get all high and mighty here.

High and mighty because I happen to realise that the arguments about Origin being spyware are bunk, and that I intend to buck the tide of angry rants and still buy a game from a series I like? Damn me for not sharing your collective hate. DAMN ME I SAY!!!!

And for what it's worth I really enjoyed Dragon Age 2. These days people are just intent on focusing on the negative and trying less to actually enjoy games.

[Thoth_Amon]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

El Neebre wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Honestly, I don't play on PC so I really shouldn't be commenting on this.. but something I have to say.

I wouldn't blame BioWare TOO much for this. I mean sure, it sucks and it's balls that PC gaming has maybe come to this, but BioWare only makes the game.. as for what EA does with it, well, they don't really have a choice in that matter. Sad but true.

Well it's not BioWare's fault, it's EA's fault - they're publishing it.

I know, some people are making it out like BioWare are to blame though.

It is though.  Bioware is EA and EA is Bioware.  They've said this since day one.  They're one company.  Bioware isn't a studio with a publishing deal, they ARE EA.

[WelshWarden]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

El Neebre wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Honestly, I don't play on PC so I really shouldn't be commenting on this.. but something I have to say.

I wouldn't blame BioWare TOO much for this. I mean sure, it sucks and it's balls that PC gaming has maybe come to this, but BioWare only makes the game.. as for what EA does with it, well, they don't really have a choice in that matter. Sad but true.

Well it's not BioWare's fault, it's EA's fault - they're publishing it.

I know, some people are making it out like BioWare are to blame though.

Well when the Bioware head's say stuff like this in an interview It kinda makes it seem like mixed mesages.

In an interview with Eurogamer, BioWare co-founders Dr. Ray Muzyka and Dr. Greg Zeschuk says that the idea that EA tells them what to do "is not actually remotely true":

...we are EA, we're BioWare - we're both, and we still have huge autonomy in terms of what we do.

We're not not being forced to do anything or told to do anything. We make the decision. We take input.

At the end of the day, we're responsible for the quality of the content and games we release, and we're committed to try and always take feedback really seriously from our fans and be humble about how we take it - use it to make the next games better.

[IronSabbath88]

Incognito JC wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I know, some people are making it out like BioWare are to blame though.

Not many people here are blaming BW for Origin. If anything, they might just be blamed for letting EA buy them over entirely.

Perhaps. I apologize then. Carry on.

[crimzontearz]

penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/piracy

I'll just leave this here

no this video does not endorse piracy nor do I

Modifié par crimzontearz, 14 janvier 2012 - 09:43 .

[Incognito JC]

Thoth_Amon wrote...

It is though.  Bioware is EA and EA is Bioware.  They've said this since day one.  They're one company.  Bioware isn't a studio with a publishing deal, they ARE EA.

We are EA, for we are many.

?

>.>

[StripedStocking]

This is just great .___. I can't play ME on my xbox anymore, 'cause for some reason the first game's disc is unreadable (before you ask..i have 3 copies of the first game and 2 different xbox consoles and there's the same problem for every single one), which is why I switched to the pc in the first place so I could import my shepard and play it in english ('cause on the console, the audio was only available in german :/). So now I have to deal with this origin crap, which I refused to even install up until now, and I'm still not entirely sure if I'll do it. So yeah, just terrific, EA...great job at losing some customers

[SnakeStrike8]

Incognito JC wrote...

Thoth_Amon wrote...

It is though.  Bioware is EA and EA is Bioware.  They've said this since day one.  They're one company.  Bioware isn't a studio with a publishing deal, they ARE EA.

We are EA, for we are many.

?

>.>

The Gospel of Profit, chapter 5, verse 9. We acknowledge this as an appropriate metaphor.
We are Bioware, a terminal of EA. We will integrate into your wallet.

[Kai Hohiro]

StripedStocking wrote... 
So now I have to deal with this origin crap, which I refused to even install up until now, and I'm still not entirely sure if I'll do it. So yeah, just terrific, EA...great job at losing some customers

Personally I like Origin and customer support is miles ahead of any other DD, including Steam (honestly some of the best customer support I've had in my entire life) *shrug*

And I'll freely say that despite the fact that I have 250 games on Steam.

Modifié par Kai Hohiro, 14 janvier 2012 - 08:53 .

[teluial]

Koremark wrote...

Question about Origin in regards to Multiplayer.

Will it be used to stop hacks being used in multiplayer ?

Almost certainly not.  I don't know if Origin attempts to encompass this functionality presently, or will in the future, but if the quality of the Origin platform to date is any indicator, then it will fail miserably at this task.  Similarly, if the complete inabilty of Origin to prevent piracy is any indicator, it will similarly fail to prevent multiplayer cheating.

That said, some games which are published by Electronic Arts use PunkBuster, by Evenbalance.  Although not perfect, it's the only platform I've encountered successfully prevents most multiplayer cheating.  Unfortunately, it is rather invasive, and is well known of being a bit likely to give false positives.

[Luvinn]

I personally can't understand the reasoning behind forcing something upon players of whom the overwhelming majority do not want. Ok, I can understand making digital distribution origin exclusive. But why, in the name of buddha, do physical copies need to have the crap on it too? DRM? Disc check not good enough anymore? How about DA2's DRM? I'd love to have been in the room where they thought this was a good idea.

[El Neebre]

I'm still a bit confused by the first post, does Origin HAVE to be loaded up to play SP and MP?

[Weskerr]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

jreezy wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Honestly DRM free is th ebest option for hassle free gaemplay.  However when stuff like this happens it can put people on guard

www.gamespot.com/news/witcher-2-dev-stops-pursuing-pirates-6348579

They sold 1 million copies which itself is quite impressive.... but the game was pirated to over 4.5 million people.

Other companies will see that as a huge loss in sales, especiialy when charging $40-$50 per game.

I give Kudos to CD Project for sticking to it's guns and not implementing DRM for the future right now.  But that is a huge hit to there profits which is used to produce future games.  That is what most business will see and why they feel DRM is necessary.

I have heard pirates claim "They do it to protect consumer freedoms" but when you do this to a company that tried to do the right thing.......... Well the pirates can go  <Expletive> themselves.

Agree with this. Kudos to CD Projekt indeed but what happened with Witcher 2 really does justify why companies use DRM.

Well CD Projekt's logic is that since DRMs don't stem pirating, then publishers might as well not create DRMs. It's a gesture of good faith to their customers and makes it more likely (they believe) that their games will continue to be purchased in the future. It might even increase sales.

I think they have the right idea.

Ultimatey, it's a shame. I've always felt that developers need to take the first step in this DRM business and prove to their customers that they trust them to buy well made products. Witcher 2 was a great game and I felt like CDP deserved the 50 bucks I spent on it.
Reading that article really made me feel depressed.

It is depressing to know that 4.5 times more games were pirated than bought (and that ratio is likely even greater), but that's the way it's always going to be. As long as there are video games, people will try to pirate them. It's wrong and dispicable, but DRMs are not the way to fix the problem (if it's even possible to fix it). "The customer is always right" is a timeless and clever business adage. Any business that fails to adhere to it will never maximize their profits.

[dbrw]

I don't understand why you guys are so angry about the game not being available to purchase on a specific store and the requeriment of using Origin ( Steamworks games need Steam Client).
After using Origin I started my EA collection and I'm happy to use both Steam and Origin.
Of course Steam has better features but Origin is still in beta. And what really matters is the game and the price not the store, well at least for me.
I hope that EA and Valve can make a deal but until there if I want to play a game is not the Origin requeriment that will stop me to do it.

[Pixieking]

El Neebre wrote...

I'm still a bit confused by the first post, does Origin HAVE to be loaded up to play SP and MP?

And that says a lot.

Clarification please.

[wolfsite]

El Neebre wrote...

I'm still a bit confused by the first post, does Origin HAVE to be loaded up to play SP and MP?

I'm treating it like Steam in this regard. you load up the client the first time for authentication online.  After that you can stay offline and play the game Single player campaign.

Multiplayer you will need to be online (Obviously)

I'm used to it from many other games nowadays so nothing new here.

[Relix28]

pc.ign.com/articles/121/1216562p1.html

This was rather fast. IGN just published the article on the subject. However, I think the first sentance in the last paragraph is slightly misleading.

"Priestly confirmed that players will be able to opt out of data collection, and refuted a question about Origin being spyware."

As I understand it, players will have the chance to opt-out from the in-game data collection (just like in ME2), like data on what classes, powers and weapons are most/least used by gamers and other statistics like that. AND NOT the potential data harvesting from your computer, on wich there is still no guaratee from EA that they will not be doing so in the future.


I'm glad that sites are reporting on this, but I really wish people would check the facts before publishing articles like this.