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[photographerleia]

Well it's a good thing I didn't let myself get too excited about ME3. Bioware just lost a little bit more of my respect. Anything Requiring Origin is a no go in my book. I will not pay to have invasive, draconian malware like that client installed in my client. Copies bought from Origin I could understand, but retail copies? There is no excuse for that.

[mcneil_1]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

It is depressing to know that 4.5 times more games were pirated than bought (and that ratio is likely even greater), but that's the way it's always going to be. As long as there are video games, people will try to pirate them. It's wrong and dispicable, but DRMs are not the way to fix the problem (if it's even possible to fix it). "The customer is always right" is a timeless and clever business adage. Any business that fails to adhere to it will never maximize their profits.

Careful, the last time I said that I was immediately disagreed with by the majority of the thread.

Not only that, but a dev came out of lurk mode to argue with me.

Wasnt it David Gaider who decloaked himself in that thread?

[Dragoonlordz]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

It is depressing to know that 4.5 times more games were pirated than bought (and that ratio is likely even greater), but that's the way it's always going to be. As long as there are video games, people will try to pirate them. It's wrong and dispicable, but DRMs are not the way to fix the problem (if it's even possible to fix it). "The customer is always right" is a timeless and clever business adage. Any business that fails to adhere to it will never maximize their profits.

Careful, the last time I said that I was immediately disagreed with by the majority of the thread.

Not only that, but a dev came out of lurk mode to argue with me.

The customer is always right is not the most timeless and clever, it is the biggest fallacy. No two customers might hold the same views on something. With a developer especially listening to all customers is fine making changes based on each customer is not. Else ME3 would be ponies for companions, shepard turned into a krogan or liara starting me3 fat and pregnant with a hanars baby.

[Gunderic]

jreezy wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

EAware has spoken again. You know, I think I'd rather support Steam over Origin. At least Valve's employees actually play video games.

Dis da dumbest rebuttal I've read in a while tbh.

It's also something that makes Valve a very beloved company while EA, along with BioWare, are dragged by customer complaints into the polar opposite direction.

[Luvinn]

Max Knight wrote...

Good god seriusly you people who are pradon the expresion ****ing about origin i have origin on my PC an have no problem with it...well there is this paypal thingy but that is unrelated..... so how about you sisies calm the **** DOWN there are much MUCH worse way of DRM, lets take Two Worlds 1 and 2 for example an those of you that are saing..o origin asdasd wont buy ME3 i wonde how many of you wil actualy not buy it.

What?

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Where is that statistic from, I find it hard to believe piracy to purchase ratio is 5:1 for PC gaming...

[teluial]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

As much as I don't like to admit it, I *know* people will find a way past Origin as early as weeks following ME3's release--perhaps even sooner. Nothing is "required" in the PC gaming world anymore. Not that I'm too concerned since I'm 360, but I'm 100% sure that's what's going to happen.

That's incredibly generous.  Historically, most games appear on pirate networks days to weeks before the retail release.  Usually the gold master leaks within hours, and the earlier versions released to the publisher for QA, PR, and publisher review, are leaked with similar alacrity.  DRM is stripped, if it was even present in the leaked edition in the first place.

I don't buy that everyone that pirates would have bought the product.  However, it's obscene that pirates are providing a FAR superior distribution model to the publishers.  Pirate networks distribute new releases within hours of christening gold master, they provide snazzy hassle-free installers, they provide cryptographic hashes and parity information to ensure that the copy is uncorrupted and locally recoverable even if it is, and, get this, better customer support than EA.  For free.  There's nothing PC-centric about this.  All of the above applies to console games as well, but console gamers tend to be a bit less sophisticated.

Valve gets it.  Valve potentially checks every one of these boxes with Steam.  Except for the "free" part, but they get damned close with the holiday sales.  My fiance and I decided it was time to catch up on our gaming after college and collectively spent almost $600 on the holiday sale on Steam this year, counting gifts.  GOG.com also gets it, potentially offering everything Steam does except without DRM and without a sometimes annoying desktop client.

tl;dr: Actually, pirated games usually come out before retail releases, not after.  Also, Origin fails vs piracy, Steam wins vs. piracy, and GOG.com wins vs. piracy

[Cainne Chapel]

Maybe its cuz I really dont care or maybe i'm just jaded at this point... but I'm PRETTY sure I already have origins on my computer and have had no issues with it whatsoever. Ofcourse I had it back when it was the EA downloader, I also have Steam and a bevy of other Online storefront (including Games for Windows).

So all in all, I really dont care either way.

Its also not something I'd cancel playing a game over either, but then thats just me *shrug*.

Of course I do feel for those who hate online storefronts in any shape or form too, but knowing that the game has a multiplayer component I kinda figured Origin would be required for that on the PC at least.

But Soldier on people! I'm sure the PS3/360 version wont require Origins, of course those are different beasts altogether.

[Dragoonlordz]

Gunderic wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

EAware has spoken again. You know, I think I'd rather support Steam over Origin. At least Valve's employees actually play video games.

Dis da dumbest rebuttal I've read in a while tbh.

It's also something that makes Valve a very beloved company while EA, along with BioWare, are dragged by customer complaints into the polar opposite direction.

And yet they are also one of the most stolen from aka piracy.

[Incognito JC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The customer is always right is not the most timeless and clever, it is the biggest fallacy. No two customers might hold the same views on something. With a developer especially listening to all customers is fine making changes based on each customer is not. Else ME3 would be ponies for companions, shepard turned into a krogan or liara starting me3 fat and pregnant with a hanars baby.

Developers are not brainless. They won't and can't abide to ridiculous requests like what you've just said. Obviously if there is a consensus amongst the consumers, they should take it into account. Like making Origin optional.

[Gunderic]

mcneil_1 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Weskerr wrote...

It is depressing to know that 4.5 times more games were pirated than bought (and that ratio is likely even greater), but that's the way it's always going to be. As long as there are video games, people will try to pirate them. It's wrong and dispicable, but DRMs are not the way to fix the problem (if it's even possible to fix it). "The customer is always right" is a timeless and clever business adage. Any business that fails to adhere to it will never maximize their profits.

Careful, the last time I said that I was immediately disagreed with by the majority of the thread.

Not only that, but a dev came out of lurk mode to argue with me.

Wasnt it David Gaider who decloaked himself in that thread?

I get a kick every time he argues with one of his fans. I'm sure BioWare lost a few hundred customers just from his replies. Comedy gold, especially coming from Mr. Gaider, seeing as how he's also the polar opposite of adherence to that adage.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Max Knight wrote...

Good god seriusly you people who are pradon the expresion ****ing about origin i have origin on my PC an have no problem with it...well there is this paypal thingy but that is unrelated..... so how about you sisies calm the **** DOWN there are much MUCH worse way of DRM, lets take Two Worlds 1 and 2 for example an those of you that are saing..o origin asdasd wont buy ME3 i wonde how many of you wil actualy not buy it.

^LOL

Little boy please ask your parents before you go on the internet 

[Gunderic]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

EAware has spoken again. You know, I think I'd rather support Steam over Origin. At least Valve's employees actually play video games.

Dis da dumbest rebuttal I've read in a while tbh.

It's also something that makes Valve a very beloved company while EA, along with BioWare, are dragged by customer complaints into the polar opposite direction.

And yet they are also one of the most stolen from aka piracy.

Er, no. Gabe Newell himself actually says they suffer very little from piracy. They were able to crack the Russian market where piracy abounds, turning pirates into their customers.

[Bio Pox]

why ea, you could easily double your profits by using steam. ive seen a number of companies use steam, but still run it through there dl manager (like Sony and Ubisoft) you are just hurting your sales, by removing the number one DLM from the distribution list. Many people are simply boycotting you on just for spite (me among them) i have ME1 and 2 on steam, so why should i need to have ME3 on an entire different DLM?

[Cainne Chapel]

Interesting Teluial... Those that i know that HAVE pirated stuff int he past, have never had nothing but problems. But then no ones experiences are ever the same as everyone elses.

I personally loathe pirating as much as I loathe anyone that steals, hijacks, etc. Thus I dont partake in it. I also see why some companies TRY to protect their copyrights, especially int his digital age.

I may not agree 100% all the time, but I do understand the reasoning behind it and wont begrudge a company for trying to make money of its products it sells to the consumer. Its not like video games are food or water or necessary in the least.

But I do agree that sometimes the DRMs CAN be a bit frivolous, although I must admit to never having any issues with DRMs int he past at all ( I dont tend to loan out PC games very much if at all, or change my machines a lot)

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

teluial wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

As much as I don't like to admit it, I *know* people will find a way past Origin as early as weeks following ME3's release--perhaps even sooner. Nothing is "required" in the PC gaming world anymore. Not that I'm too concerned since I'm 360, but I'm 100% sure that's what's going to happen.

That's incredibly generous.  Historically, most games appear on pirate networks days to weeks before the retail release.  Usually the gold master leaks within hours, and the earlier versions released to the publisher for QA, PR, and publisher review, are leaked with similar alacrity.  DRM is stripped, if it was even present in the leaked edition in the first place.

I don't buy that everyone that pirates would have bought the product.  However, it's obscene that pirates are providing a FAR superior distribution model to the publishers.  Pirate networks distribute new releases within hours of christening gold master, they provide snazzy hassle-free installers, they provide cryptographic hashes and parity information to ensure that the copy is uncorrupted and locally recoverable even if it is, and, get this, better customer support than EA.  For free.  There's nothing PC-centric about this.  All of the above applies to console games as well, but console gamers tend to be a bit less sophisticated.

Valve gets it.  Valve potentially checks every one of these boxes with Steam.  Except for the "free" part, but they get damned close with the holiday sales.  My fiance and I decided it was time to catch up on our gaming after college and collectively spent almost $600 on the holiday sale on Steam this year, counting gifts.  GOG.com also gets it, potentially offering everything Steam does except without DRM and without a sometimes annoying desktop client.

tl;dr: Actually, pirated games usually come out before retail releases, not after.  Also, Origin fails vs piracy, Steam wins vs. piracy, and GOG.com wins vs. piracy

This is pretty much why those services are so successful, (look at Skyrim's sales on PC), digital distribution if done right, or rather PC gaming if done right can offer the product cheaply to the consumer, as well as give the consumer all the tools required. Origin may fix itself one day, but EA doesn't have a good history in terms of client support.

[Eruanno]

...I see. Well, thank you for helping me decide whether to get the PC or Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 3, BioWare!

*Preorders the Xbox 360 version*

[photographerleia]

Wardka wrote...

Drunken_Soviet wrote...

Dovahzaan wrote...

That means no ME 3 for me.

Why not get it for Xbox?

Because:

A) I prefer to play games on PC.
My Shepard from ME1&2 is on my PC.
C) I shouldn't have to choose another platform to avoid intrusive DRM
and D) I refuse to give EA a single cent for a game that requires intrusive DRM. If I buy it on Xbox, they still get my money, and one more console sale over PC sale they can blame on piracy, when in fact they are driving away their own customers with their questionable business ethics.

My thoughts exactly.  
 I would not be able to live with myself if I financially supported this kind of corporate irresponsibility and complete disregard for consumer input. Fans have been VERY vocal about their opinions regarding Origin in retail copies for months now, and have been asking for answers for just as long. I was appalled at the outright lies Chris Priestly/Bioware handed us regarding Secru-ROM on DA2 ("It doesn't have Secu-ROM." Installs Secu-ROM files and provides link to Secu-ROM website when copy authentication problems occur.) With this move, they have pretty much thrown away what little respect that remained. I will give my money to CDP and other companies who are honest about their workings and actually demonstrate respect for their fan base. 

IF they retract the Origin requirement on retail copies, I would most likely buy the game. 

[Cainne Chapel]

Bio Pox wrote...

why ea, you could easily double your profits by using steam. ive seen a number of companies use steam, but still run it through there dl manager (like Sony and Ubisoft) you are just hurting your sales, by removing the number one DLM from the distribution list. Many people are simply boycotting you on just for spite (me among them) i have ME1 and 2 on steam, so why should i need to have ME3 on an entire different DLM?

Because they feel in the long run, its better on their OWN homerun system.

there's OBVIOUSLY pros and cons both ways, but given EA's corporate structure and size, I'd imagine to them the pros outweight the cons.

Besides Steam isn't the end all, be all of online storefronts, nor are they the only game in town anymore.

[Max Knight]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Max Knight wrote...

Good god seriusly you people who are pradon the expresion ****ing about origin i have origin on my PC an have no problem with it...well there is this paypal thingy but that is unrelated..... so how about you sisies calm the **** DOWN there are much MUCH worse way of DRM, lets take Two Worlds 1 and 2 for example an those of you that are saing..o origin asdasd wont buy ME3 i wonde how many of you wil actualy not buy it.

Loooolzzzz:lol:

Oh.. thank you for the laugh.

are laughing at my rather bad gramatics or something else?

[Relix28]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

pc.ign.com/articles/121/1216562p1.html

This was rather fast. IGN just published the article on the subject. However, I think the first sentance in the last paragraph is slightly misleading.

"Priestly confirmed that players will be able to opt out of data collection, and refuted a question about Origin being spyware."

As I understand it, players will have the chance to opt-out from the in-game data collection (just like in ME2), like data on what classes, powers and weapons are most/least used by gamers and other statistics like that. AND NOT the potential data harvesting from your computer, on wich there is still no guaratee from EA that they will not be doing so in the future.


I'm glad that sites are reporting on this, but I really wish people would check the facts before publishing articles like this.

Read the comments on the IGN page...I got some good lolz, not the same caliber of sophisticated complaining but I sympathsize.

I did read the comments, and yeah, it was pretty amusing, to say the least.