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[Ashertron]

MustOnen wrote...
Let's just hope BW does the "Bungie" and buys their freedom at some point.

That would be an absolutely GLORIOUS day...but i'm not getting my hopes up.

[kirvingtwo]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

kirvingtwo wrote...

I don't get where this idea comes from that
people will whinge about something and then buy a product anyway.  A lot
of people complained about DA2 before it was released and, surprise,  a
lot of people didn't buy DA2.(myself included)

Been on BSN long enough you know factually that everyone jumps into hysterics far too quickly on here in general.
The proof is that being here quite a long time the very same people who posted the same sort of things on other aspects which I have mentioned like liara statue, femshep voting, origin, other apspects of titles (gameplay) from DAO, DA2, ME2 and so on where at times they say "I will not buy x or y", "You have lost a customer" and the biggest one used "I have cancelled my pre-order". Those same sort of people who said those actually come back a week later and say they have bought or have kept pre-order or some in order to keep face pick another element of the game and say "this element made me fogive you for the other one so I re-ordered". 

In that regard she/he is not far wrong in what she said though adding a percentage is never good on here because people will shout prove it.

Yeah I've been a member on the BioWare sites since the early days of Dragon Age and Mass Effect development(not with this account as my orginal account got eaten by EA during the legacy forum hack) and I don't agree with your "factual" evaluation of BSN consumer habits.

[Notanything]

Severyx wrote...

RoseLegion wrote...

Severyx wrote...

The funny thing is that 80% of the people complaining about Origin are going to buy ME3 anyways, whether they want to let the public know or not.

Screenshots or it didn't happen. 


Seriously having your own point of view or having a diffrent exprience with Origin is fine.  Vocing it is also fine.
Claiming that you know how "80%" of those who don't share your opinnion will act without providing any kind of hard evidence (which can't yet exisit since we're talking about a game that hasn't been released yet) is just being presumptive.  Don't be disrespectful, allow everyone to say their piece.

Well, the fact that you assume I'm saying this to shoot people down is presumptive in and of itself. I said that to state my opinion (with a bit of exaggeration for flavor) that plenty of people will probably still get the game anyways, because I hope that people will realize BioWare's hard work on ME3 shouldn't go wasted because of this (albeit irritating) software scandal.

I love what Bioware did with Mass Effect, but all it takes is bad services, DRM,  and other junk to ruin the aspect of any game.  EA shouldn't try to push all their crap on an otherwise fantastic developer, and the fact that all they can seemingly do is bend over and take it is saddening.  So while I agree their work shouldn't go wasted, it's a no go for me because of EA feeling the need to push their Origin agenda on everything.  I for one am keeping myself away from any of EA's products until they get their priorities straight.  Which roughly equates to half-past never. 

You can be skeptical about how people saying they won't buy it, but I genuinely feel EA's business model is a corruption to video games as a whole, I refused to purchase Battlefield 3 due to EA's services and policies, and I haven't blinked an eye, or reconsidered my position.  So I doubt I'll be getting Mass Effect 3 under similar reasoning.

[Soods]

Not going to use Origin, not even for this.

[Alex_SM]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

We have DRM because piracy increased vastly with dawn of internet and people went and stole more copies claiming it was because of DRM which created more DRM and now we have "idiots" no other term can be used to describe them (because the customers will suffer far more from their actions than the companies ever will) who go on to say dumb things like they going to steal a copy instead.

Most of nowadays DRM are not intended to prevent piracy, but to avoid second hand selling (which is a customer right at least in the EU). 

Also I can't see how they could stop piracy by annoying legit customers. 

[anzolino]

@ sackyhack
What kind of overreaction? What hyperbole and doomsday scenarios?
Only if some people don't agree the way EA is acting, they are overreacting and doomsdayer? Here in my country the consumer protectors just complain the same as we do. All hyperboles? I don't think so.

[Steafun]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

I believe someone should keep a list of all the users who claimed to cancel their preorders, or are no longer buying. Just to make sure when Mass Effect 3 is released.

Let me know when they do it. as much as I love Mass Effect I can't let EA spy on me! same goes for everyone on this forum. <_<

[Tup3x]

Adugan wrote...

If people start boycotting Origin and move to consoles, will EA become Ubisoft and make PC players' lives harder with terrible DRM and all that stuff? That is the real question here.


 

Tup3xi wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Well, I can understand that people don't appreciate having to install the umpteenth program and have yet another login to play certain games, but the fault doesn't so much lie with Origin as it does with the fact that it's necessary at all.

If something like this was kicked off, you'd think ideally it would have been an all-encompassing thing that would allow all game-developers to use it, or WANT to use it. Seeing as this isn't so, all bets are off now and I'm sure we CAN expect it to not stop with Origin.

The thing is that you might not even need to have the client running. Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know BF3 is the only game that need Origin client if you want to play Origin game. I have only tested Crysis 2 and SW:TOR and those do not need Origin client at all.

I am pretty sure that if you have Crysis 2 on EADM it does not require Origin. Also, having an MMO require a service like Origin or Steam is stupid and unreasonanble. What if the Origin/Steam servers go offline? Will everyone be booted in the middle of a dungeon?

I don't get that part at all. Firstly, SW:TOR doesn't need Origin at all. Secondly, you can play both Origin and Steam game offline. Crysis 2 downloaded and installed via Origin does not need Origin client to be running in order to access the game. Also, nothing will happen if you unplug you network connection while playing single player game.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:24 .

[photographerleia]

Incognito JC wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Stopping piracy is a fallacy. Pirates are always going to get what they want. All you do by making intrusive DRM is create more pirates.

I've never understood why you need to have this type of DRM on a physical store bought version of the game anyway. I'd rather go back to having to keep the disk in the drive than deal with this crap.

Pulled the words out of my mouth. I kept saying that DRM doesn't prevent piracy, only encumbers paying customers. Seems like none of the publishers thought of it this way.

I will never understand by consumers ever had issues with disk-in-drive requirements anyways.  I've always played like that and never once felt inconvenienced by it.

[RaenImrahl]

Two friendly reminders:

1) It is important to stay on-topic, and our topic here is very specific. Diverging into an analysis of the finer points of rhetoric or argument do not further the discussion. For example, @Dragoonlordz and @Incognito JC, you have both made your points. Please move on.

2) I counsel everyone to be careful about discussions of piracy. That's a radioactive topic on these boards. I have not seen more than one or two people in this whole thread who have extolled the supposed "merits" of piracy, which is good (I have dealt with offenders privately). I encourage you all, however, to continue to focus the discussion on the advantages or disadvantages of using the Origin system on the individual player.

Finally, let me again thank the vast majority of you who have engaged in this controversial topic in a civil manner. I've learned a lot from reading ALL of your posts the last several hours.

RI

[Doctalen]

Ashertron wrote...

MustOnen wrote...
Let's just hope BW does the "Bungie" and buys their freedom at some point.

That would be an absolutely GLORIOUS day...but i'm not getting my hopes up.

At least from EA. Bungie joined activision but they aren't has bad as EA IMO

[Dragoonlordz]

Incognito JC wrote...

See what I mean. There are others that quoted you to counter your points, but you conveniently ignored those. Stop trying to speak for the "community" which you clearly do not know that well.

What on earth are you babbling about? I end up missing other peoples posts because the constant spamming by you of responses to everything I say. They are not ignored, they are given less attention because you are responding to me by far the most about stuff that is irrelevant.

It seems to me you are baiting and making things up as you go along with this whole trying to make it seem that I am off topic when in reality all my posts either respond directly to what someone says and/or when not in responses to other people it is very much on topic of Origin.

Seriously now stop baiting, and making up things to try to get me in trouble when it is you who is constantly trying to drag me off topic. I have been around quite a long time compared to a lot of people posting in here and have enough history here to know what I have seen and what people do here.

[Lemondish]

Aww man, I was REALLY looking forward to this game. I guess I'll be missing out on this one too, just like I had to with Dragon Age 2

Bioware, you're slowly becoming my "favourite developer that makes games I can't play". Also, as a former paying customer, I don't agree with the comments about Steam having any 'restrictive' policies. I don't mean to be dramatic, its you that decided not to supply this on a service I use, so from my perspective as a consumer, its you being restrictive by forcing me to use a service I'm not comfortable with.

Modifié par Lemondish, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:27 .

[Ashertron]

Tup3xi wrote...
I don't get that part at all. Firstly, SW:TOR doesn't need Origin at all.

ToR doesn't require Origin YET...

[Ottemis]

pudding27 wrote...

Seriously Bioware this really dissapoints me. Using your position to force me to get an origin account?
Is this really the way to treat loyal fans that has bought and loved pretty much every one of your games, especially the Mass Effect series?
I have played both games on Steam and have my entire catalogue of games on Steam. I dont buy games physically anymore and do not want to have a million different launcher programs.
I will probably play ME3 anyway but there is no way im buying it. I will wait until friends have played through it on the PS3 and borrow it, but you are not getting any more money from me!

Sh*t on years of development time why don't you. Those artists did all that so you could adopt such an attitude over something like needing to register the game through Origin and  consequently crap all over their work I'm sure.
Good job, hope you're proud of that attitude, I wouldn't be.

Modifié par Ottemis, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:28 .

[Dragoonlordz]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Two friendly reminders:

1) It is important to stay on-topic, and our topic here is very specific. Diverging into an analysis of the finer points of rhetoric or argument do not further the discussion. For example, @Dragoonlordz and @Incognito JC, you have both made your points. Please move on.

2) I counsel everyone to be careful about discussions of piracy. That's a radioactive topic on these boards. I have not seen more than one or two people in this whole thread who have extolled the supposed "merits" of piracy, which is good (I have dealt with offenders privately). I encourage you all, however, to continue to focus the discussion on the advantages or disadvantages of using the Origin system on the individual player.

Finally, let me again thank the vast majority of you who have engaged in this controversial topic in a civil manner. I've learned a lot from reading ALL of your posts the last several hours.

RI

Ok sorry, I was in middle of responding to another bashing by her so did not see your post until clicked submit. I will ignore her and just talk about Origin as was doing pretty much most fo the time prior to her interference.

[ShaneP]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Two friendly reminders:

1) It is important to stay on-topic, and our topic here is very specific. Diverging into an analysis of the finer points of rhetoric or argument do not further the discussion. For example, @Dragoonlordz and @Incognito JC, you have both made your points. Please move on.

2) I counsel everyone to be careful about discussions of piracy. That's a radioactive topic on these boards. I have not seen more than one or two people in this whole thread who have extolled the supposed "merits" of piracy, which is good (I have dealt with offenders privately). I encourage you all, however, to continue to focus the discussion on the advantages or disadvantages of using the Origin system on the individual player.

Finally, let me again thank the vast majority of you who have engaged in this controversial topic in a civil manner. I've learned a lot from reading ALL of your posts the last several hours.

RI

Given the amount of anger this thread is creating, you're doing a great job of managing it.

[Unkei]

No ME3 in my Steam? Origin spyware in my computer? Looks like i'm not gonna pre-order. Lots of other good games coming out at the same time.

[Incognito JC]

photographerleia wrote...

I will never understand by consumers ever had issues with disk-in-drive requirements anyways.  I've always played like that and never once felt inconvenienced by it.

I'm guessing publishers changed this not for the sake of consumers, but to deter second hand games.

[Moratyr]

Damn shame.  I've been dying to finish this saga but I'll be passing as well. 

[anzolino]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

We have DRM because piracy increased vastly with dawn of internet and people went and stole more copies claiming it was because of DRM which created more DRM and now we have "idiots" no other term can be used to describe them (because the customers will suffer far more from their actions than the companies ever will) who go on to say dumb things like they going to steal a copy instead.

But you do realize that the DRM doesn't have any effect? Pirating is still growing and succesfully. Perhaps some day the publisher realize this too and go back to a protection that make sense. This kind of DRM makes no sense, you can see it right on Skyrim. This kind of DRM only forced the honest customer to get angry because of different software for every publisher, software is not fully functional and all this crap you could read in the last weeks about Origin in the BF3 forums.

[Ottemis]

Ashertron wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
I don't get that part at all. Firstly, SW:TOR doesn't need Origin at all.

ToR doesn't require Origin YET...

ToR's out after years of development time, don't be silly. If they wanted it linked directly, they would have on release. 

Modifié par Ottemis, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:32 .

[RaenImrahl]

ShaneP wrote...

Given the amount of anger this thread is creating, you're doing a great job of managing it.

Thanks.  We're all in this together.  The only one really suffering is the pile of laundry that I am currently ignoring.

RI

[Incognito JC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What on earth are you babbling about? I end up missing other peoples posts because the constant spamming by you of responses to everything I say. They are not ignored, they are given less attention because you are responding to me by far the most about stuff that is irrelevant.

It seems to me you are baiting and making things up as you go along with this whole trying to make it seem that I am off topic when in reality all my posts either respond directly to what someone says and/or when not in responses to other people it is very much on topic of Origin.

Seriously now stop baiting, and making up things to try to get me in trouble when it is you who is constantly trying to drag me off topic. I have been around quite a long time compared to a lot of people posting in here and have enough history here to know what I have seen and what people do here.

You deem other points to be irrelevant as your defense mechanism. I wasn't trying to bait you, you were the one that bait me into this. There are also others that disagreed with your speculations of the community. Being here longer by a month does not mean you know it all.

Go ahead and ignore this, it's what you do best. I shall do the same as a favor to the mod.