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[Lemondish]

Ottemis wrote...
Sh*t on years of development time why don't you. Those artists did all that so you could adopt such an attitude over something like needing to register the game through Origin and collectively **** all over their work I'm sure.
Good job, hope you're proud of that attitude, I wouldn't be.

I think you missed the point. Some folks don't like the Origin service, and their reasons are their own, and you aren't going to win any internet points arguing over it. It isn't HIS decision for the product to be exclusive to a service he will not use, so why attack him? There's no need to get overly dramatic and bring in the developers, who likely had no say here, and many of which probably have larger libraries of games on Steam than anything else.

My perspective is that I'm uncomfortable sharing my personal information on a service that is largely new and does not include any of my friends or the games I currently own. I guess that means I'm 'sh*tting on years of development' too?

[Tup3x]

Ottemis wrote...

Ashertron wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
I don't get that part at all. Firstly, SW:TOR doesn't need Origin at all.

ToR doesn't require Origin YET...

ToR's out after years of development time, don't be silly. If they wanted it linked directly, they would have on release. 

Indeed.

[HerefortheDLC]

Emoking wrote...

And this right here is why I hate EA's PR.

Steam wants everyone to have access to DLC. It's not a restrictive service. Go look at how many places sell Shogun 2 DLC (a Steamworks game, btw). Look at the fact that Arkham City DLC is available both on Steam, and G4WL.

What happened is that EA want full control of the sale of their DLC. That's why there is still only one place to buy ME/DA DLC.

Steam genuinely aren't in the wrong here.

To stay on the topic of this rather sad and predictable announcement.
The user I quoted makes an interesting point.

I want to know what these "restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with
customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content" are.
Because right now, EA/Bioware's system is looking a lot more restrictive than Steam's.

[Alex Hoang]

Oh my god. I have just read 2 full pages and the rest (80 pages!!) simply scrolled over and just checked if Chris wrote some information or answers. Only because some insecure people are whining about Origin and personally attack themselves, this thread is a mess.

I don't even know why certain people act like they haven't expected Origin duty for ME3. Most of ME players play on Xbox or Playstation anyway, look at sales of BF3, huge success with minimal impact of Origin. I will bet with those who claim that they won't play ME3 due to Origin, they will eventually. It's gonna haunt them for days how the story ends. They will read about it or watch a walkthrough? Oh man, I am sorry for you.

[photographerleia]

wolfsite wrote...

Ashertron wrote...

Cancelling pre-order.

If EA and Bioware thought pirating was a problem before...just wait.

Okay make the problem worse for the rest of us.  Thanks a lot

Agreed. If I cannot purchase it (and I will not put money down becasue of this Origin business), then I simply will not play it at all.  Pirating is never an option.  It just gives companies like EA the fodder they need to add increasingly more draconian DRM.

[Ottemis]

Lemondish wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
Sh*t on years of development time why don't you. Those artists did all that so you could adopt such an attitude over something like needing to register the game through Origin and collectively **** all over their work I'm sure.
Good job, hope you're proud of that attitude, I wouldn't be.

I think you missed the point. Some folks don't like the Origin service, and their reasons are their own, and you aren't going to win any internet points arguing over it. It isn't HIS decision for the product to be exclusive to a service he will not use, so why attack him? There's no need to get overly dramatic and bring in the developers, who likely had no say here, and many of which probably have larger libraries of games on Steam than anything else.

My perspective is that I'm uncomfortable sharing my personal information on a service that is largely new and does not include any of my friends or the games I currently own. I guess that means I'm 'sh*tting on years of development' too?

You missed my point, if you want to be principally against something and boycot it by not sticking cash in it fine, but don't punish the team that developed the game by 'not buying the game, but borrowing it'.
Rediculous. That's not making a point, it's being a cheapskate and it's shafting the artists that stuck years of their lives into something you're basicly giving the finger over the principle of not liking Origin while he apparently plays over the console anyways?

Please explain to me how that is in ANY way an acceptable course of action.
Play it or don't play it, this to me is no better then saying you'll pirate just to spite them.

Modifié par Ottemis, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:45 .

[Fugiz]

Relix28 wrote...

Metallisika wrote...

During initial release Mass Effect 3 will be available on Origin and a
number of other 3rd party digital retailers, but not on Steam at this
time. Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which
limit how developers interact with customers to deliver patches and
other downloadable content.  We are intent on providing Mass Effect to
players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase
or play their game, and are happy to partner with any download service
that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our
consumers.

Am I the only one who sees how ****ing ironic this is?

I understand what they were trying to say with this, but yeah, it's irony at it's finest. 

Does this mean, if for example, I buy the game from Direct2Drive I still have to install Origin? Why bother making it available to other online retailers then? That two clients I have to download each competing for memory and data on my PC.
If I buy a physical copy and Origin is ordinary non-intrusive DRM why not include on the disc then? How does forcing me to register/activate the game thru Origin make me want to buy my next game from them?
And finally if Origin is now all dandy and nice why hasnt EA made an effrort to clarify and restore goodwill unless its still rotten and they dont care. Bioware might as well stop development on the PC.

[Ashertron]

Ottemis wrote...

Ashertron wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
I don't get that part at all. Firstly, SW:TOR doesn't need Origin at all.

ToR doesn't require Origin YET...

ToR's out after years of development time, don't be silly. If they wanted it linked directly, they would have on release. 

>Implying they didn't leave Origin out to let people get attached to/invest heavily in the game and their characters first THEN make it mandatory. 

Mark my words, it is coming.

[Epic Legion]

HerefortheDLC wrote...

Emoking wrote...

And this right here is why I hate EA's PR.

Steam wants everyone to have access to DLC. It's not a restrictive service. Go look at how many places sell Shogun 2 DLC (a Steamworks game, btw). Look at the fact that Arkham City DLC is available both on Steam, and G4WL.

What happened is that EA want full control of the sale of their DLC. That's why there is still only one place to buy ME/DA DLC.

Steam genuinely aren't in the wrong here.

To stay on the topic of this rather sad and predictable announcement.
The user I quoted makes an interesting point.

I want to know what these "restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with
customers to deliver patches and other downloadable content" are.
Because right now, EA/Bioware's system is looking a lot more restrictive than Steam's.

It's all just EA's hoax. They want more people to switch from Steam to Origin, because digital PC game market is extremely profitable and they don't want to pay 20% of each sale to Valve.

[X-JIDE]

My stance with Origin and Mass Effect 3.

Ok we all know by now that Origin will be required to play Mass Effect 3 on PC.

The fact is I’m still going to per-order ME3 simply because it’s going to be a great game. I’m not going to let this “thing” get in the way of giving my money to bioware.
 
But I find the EA vs. Steam rules to be all but ball$h1t. This clip describes best what both parties are doing! Legion is EA and Tali is Valve, Shepard is the users.

“Sooner or later, you’re both gonna have to stop fighting this war. Or we’ll (the Users) all end up paying for it.”

Modifié par X-JIDE, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:40 .

[nathanatos]

I've never had anything but problems from EA. I've purchased games from them before, only to lose them to the internet ether, later. I've purchased DLC that randomly decides to become unauthorized mid-game. I don't trust EA's ability to deliver its content to its customers.

Mass Effect is one of my favorite series, but I won't be purchasing it like this until I can be sure that I can trust EA and won't be throwing my money away. That might be a while.

Edit: It is also an issue with this not being on Steam. If I felt that they were being honest, that would be one thing, but the "we just want to do what's right by our customers" line is nonsense. It's a business decision. Acting like it's not, because they care so much, is offensive. 

Modifié par nathanatos, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:44 .

[photographerleia]

Alex Hoang wrote...

I don't even know why certain people act like they haven't expected Origin duty for ME3.

It's not that we didn't expect it.  I, for one, did not pre-order the game since I *expected* the game would have it and refused to pre-order until I have a yay/nay from Bioware.  No, the problem is that we had *hoped* that Origin would not be required.  We *hoped* that Bioware would have some dignity and stand up for their consumers, when said consumers had made it abundantly clear that we did not want Origin.  We had *hoped* that Bioware was not so thoroughly whipped by EA; and that the company would pay attention to the people who had so whole heartedly supported them for so long.  Apparantly we were wrong on all counts.

[Ottemis]

Ashertron wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

Ashertron wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...
I don't get that part at all. Firstly, SW:TOR doesn't need Origin at all.

ToR doesn't require Origin YET...

ToR's out after years of development time, don't be silly. If they wanted it linked directly, they would have on release. 

>Implying they didn't leave Origin out to let people get attached to/invest heavily in the game and their characters first THEN make it mandatory. 

Mark my words, it is coming.

Healthy attitude that, really. Everybody is out to get you.

Modifié par Ottemis, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:44 .

[anzolino]

ShaneP wrote...
Irrelevant. The program still needs to connect to the Internet to check for updates, and so on. The program does not fail, you fail for taking the route of paranoia over reason, and blaming an application for crashing when you prevent a core part of it's functionality from working is just laughable really. Let the application do it's damn job. Or uninstall it, refund your game, and buy yourself a tin foil hat instead. Both awesome choices!

Not irrelevant. If I block my Antivirus program it also cannot get it's scheduled updates and it's still working fine. There is only a notice in the logfile. So don't call me paranoid because I've tested some core functions in an unexpected way! It's simply sleazy programmed, a failed connection should not be the reason for a crash.
If BW declares Origin will be used once (for activation) then I have the damn right to block it's further communication. So, don't tell me I have to allow a software that communication is not needed at the time I'm playing.

[Alex Hoang]

photographerleia wrote...

Alex Hoang wrote...

I don't even know why certain people act like they haven't expected Origin duty for ME3.

It's not that we didn't expect it.  I, for one, did not pre-order the game since I *expected* the game would have it and refused to pre-order until I have a yay/nay from Bioware...

Then I wasn't talking about you.

Modifié par Alex Hoang, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:46 .

[Wulfram]

Epic Legion wrote...

They want more people to switch from Steam to Origin, because digital PC game market is extremely profitable and they don't want to pay 20% of each sale to Valve.

Which is an entirely legitimate business strategy.  If Valve want EA's games in their store, they need to offer EA terms which they find acceptable

[Alex_SM]

Wulfram wrote...

Epic Legion wrote...

They want more people to switch from Steam to Origin, because digital PC game market is extremely profitable and they don't want to pay 20% of each sale to Valve.

Which is an entirely legitimate business strategy.  If Valve want EA's games in their store, they need to offer EA terms which they find acceptable

I think is more in the way of "EA tries to sink Steam and become the king of digital market" than in the "EA doesn't like Valve's terms". 

[KevSteele]

No Steam, no sale.

I didn't buy Battlefield 3 because of Origin, and I'm not going to get Mass Effect 3 because of this.

That's two AAA titles that I was looking forward to day-one purchases that I will have skipped. And I had hoped to get the deluxe edition of Mass Effect 3 (I have Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 in my Steam account already).

Screw you, EA...you will not be getting any more of my money.

[Ottemis]

KevSteele wrote...

No Steam, no sale.

I didn't buy Battlefield 3 because of Origin, and I'm not going to get Mass Effect 3 because of this.

That's two AAA titles that I was looking forward to day-one purchases that I will have skipped. And I had hoped to get the deluxe edition of Mass Effect 3 (I have Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 in my Steam account already).

Screw you, EA...you will not be getting any more of my money.

Yes because steam is so different from Origin. Makes perfect sense. Not really.

[anzolino]

ShaneP wrote...
Given the amount of anger this thread is creating, you're doing a great job of managing it.

RaenImrahl wrote...
Thanks. We're all in this together. The only one really suffering is the pile of laundry that I am currently ignoring.

Agreed. Nice job.

[Tup3x]

Instead of boycotting ME3 I'd rather do something more constructive to get EA to improve Origin as service. These childish tantrums won't do anything. Many hated steam when it was released but see how it is today. I any case I'm out.

One last thing, you can add all your recent EA Steam games to Origin by registering the CD key (DA:O, ME2, BF2:BC, Crysis 2, DA2... ME1 is too old for that, though).

Modifié par Tup3xi, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:51 .

[Mister Mida]

Alex_SM wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Epic Legion wrote...

They want more people to switch from Steam to Origin, because digital PC game market is extremely profitable and they don't want to pay 20% of each sale to Valve.

Which is an entirely legitimate business strategy.  If Valve want EA's games in their store, they need to offer EA terms which they find acceptable

I think is more in the way of "EA tries to sink Steam and become the king of digital market" than in the "EA doesn't like Valve's terms". 

Right, and Valve is definitely not trying to be the king of the digital market. /sarcasm

[Incognito JC]

Alex Hoang wrote...

It's gonna haunt them for days how the story ends. They will read about it or watch a walkthrough? Oh man, I am sorry for you.

I really doubt that will happen to many. Don't be.

[Ashertron]

Ottemis wrote...

KevSteele wrote...

No Steam, no sale.

I didn't buy Battlefield 3 because of Origin, and I'm not going to get Mass Effect 3 because of this.

That's two AAA titles that I was looking forward to day-one purchases that I will have skipped. And I had hoped to get the deluxe edition of Mass Effect 3 (I have Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 in my Steam account already).

Screw you, EA...you will not be getting any more of my money.

Yes because steam is so different from Origin. Makes perfect sense. Not really.

Confirmed for mad-as-hell Biodrone, probably an employee (wouldn't be the first time right?  lol).

Go back and read through the entire thread, plenty of differences have been listed.

Modifié par Ashertron, 14 janvier 2012 - 11:53 .

[Alex_SM]

Ottemis wrote...

Yes because steam is so different from Origin. Makes perfect sense. Not really.

It's way more respectful to users. For example all data mining is disabled by default. It's the user the one who manually activates it. 

Also EA reserves themselves the right to delete long term unplayed games from users accounts and to disable acces to games after 2 years from release date.