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[Rockworm503]

this thread goes way too fast.

[Cortyman]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Cortyman wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not going to condemn people for pirating because its a well known fact that 99% of all pirate haters are secretly pirating anyway.

WELL KNOWN FACT? I am interested in seeing these facts. Because I am in that very small minority of 1%

The more people talk like this the more it sounds like their trying to convince themeslves really.

Okay, looking at my bookshelf I have 15 games on it. The number of games there that I have pirated or even cracked? I'm up to zero. So what about you?

[Yuoaman]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Are there really people who are going to forgo playing Mass Effect 3 because it requires them to install an extra piece of software?

When you disagree with what the software does, then yes, some people will be.

[RaenImrahl]

@Cortyman , @Rockworm503 ... time to end this particular argument.

[goofyomnivore]

Are there really people who are going to forgo playing Mass Effect 3 because it requires them to install an extra piece of software?

Some people take offense to their privacy being invaded for another companies monetary benefit. It personally doesn't bother me because it is far to rampant in many of the devices I use daily. However some that have taken the steps to avoid this yes it could be very upsetting when it is invading something a simple as a video game.

Modifié par strive, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:25 .

[darth_lopez]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Are there really people who are going to forgo playing Mass Effect 3 because it requires them to install an extra piece of software?

possibly yes

[Ashertron]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Are there really people who are going to forgo playing Mass Effect 3 because it requires them to install an extra piece of software?

Forgo playing ME 3?  Some, but not all.

Forgo PAYING for it?  Oh yes, thousands will.

Modifié par Ashertron, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:27 .

[Moondoggie]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Are there really people who are going to forgo playing Mass Effect 3 because it requires them to install an extra piece of software?

I doubt they will. They'll talk it down but will still likely buy the game. The likelyhood of a major boycott is zero.

[anzolino]

strive, that is not the point. We are just testing where Origin get the information on Steam purchased games while Origin isn't running and the user isn't logged in Origin.

[photographerleia]

Moondoggie wrote...

This is the same for Steam. Why are you not mentioning Steam too? Steam had had a monopoly on the latest games for a while now so what happens if Steam kicked the bucket? half or more of the most popular games of the last few years would be unplayable. With Origin as it stands itd only deal with EA's games and since it is EA's software itself it makes the whole situation much easier to deal with for then than if Steam died and you have it as third party software bundled with developers games. And Valve often don't play nice with developers.

I take the exact same issue with Steam which is why I do not buy games there.  Origin, however, and not Steam, is the mantadory client for ME3.  As such I was attempting to stay more on topic.  

For the record though, I take issue with any required client that essentially reduces a purchase into a longterm rental since running the game w/o a client would require an act of goodwill on the client company's part to make "purchased" games accessible. 

Modifié par photographerleia, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:27 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Ashertron wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Wow I was asleep for 10 hours and the amount of pages doubled

Allow me to sum it all up for you:

Most of us:  "But I don't want a pc-raping program on my comp!"

Biodrones:  "Deal with it."

Nope. That would be the summary of everything he missed by way of a 5 year old explaining it incorrectly.

Thats not being overly mean as according to my poll there are atleast 2 people aged between 2 and 8 years old on BSN so it is possible he could be one of those two.

[izmirtheastarach]

Yuoaman wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Are there really people who are going to forgo playing Mass Effect 3 because it requires them to install an extra piece of software?

When you disagree with what the software does, then yes, some people will be.

And I guess people are basing their assumptions on what they are told the software does by other anonymous web users? I'm just trying to figure this out. I have had ever iteration of EA's downloader/link/origin product installed on my gaming PC. Also Steam, Game for Window Live, and various other pieces of 3rd party game software. Not a one of them has ever destroyed my computer or stole my identity or compromised my privacy. What am I missing here?

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:29 .

[Rockworm503]

Cortyman wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Cortyman wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not going to condemn people for pirating because its a well known fact that 99% of all pirate haters are secretly pirating anyway.

WELL KNOWN FACT? I am interested in seeing these facts. Because I am in that very small minority of 1%

The more people talk like this the more it sounds like their trying to convince themeslves really.

Okay, looking at my bookshelf I have 15 games on it. The number of games there that I have pirated or even cracked? I'm up to zero. So what about you?

Well I don't want to get banned so I wont talk about it anymore beyond this.
Suffice it to say internet anonymity is great isn't?  I can say I'm an 90 year old woman from Finland and whose going to say I'm not?
These new fangled computermater machines.
Simple point is I was mostly joking but after reading a big hatefilled blog against piracy only to find out that the writer of said blog had a ton of pirated software (its been a long time I can't remember specifics about the story)
I learned not to take what anyone says at face value.
You would be amazed what people will say on the internet just to make themselves feel better.

Modifié par Rockworm503, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:29 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Cortyman wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Cortyman wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm not going to condemn people for pirating because its a well known fact that 99% of all pirate haters are secretly pirating anyway.

WELL KNOWN FACT? I am interested in seeing these facts. Because I am in that very small minority of 1%

The more people talk like this the more it sounds like their trying to convince themeslves really.

Okay, looking at my bookshelf I have 15 games on it. The number of games there that I have pirated or even cracked? I'm up to zero. So what about you?

Zero too.

[Tiina]

I could never be without ME3,so if i have to install extra software (origin) i will do it.
Just thinking,does anybody really care what i just wrote...? i guess no

[Ashertron]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ashertron wrote...

Boomer-Australia wrote...

Wow I was asleep for 10 hours and the amount of pages doubled

Allow me to sum it all up for you:

Most of us:  "But I don't want a pc-raping program on my comp!"

Biodrones:  "Deal with it."

Nope. That would be the summary of everything he missed by way of a 5 year old explaining it incorrectly.

Thats not being overly mean as according to my poll there are atleast 2 people aged between 2 and 8 years old on BSN so it is possible he could be one of those two.

LOL, you're not mad AT ALL...

[Moondoggie]

strive wrote...



Some people take offense to their privacy being invaded for another companies monetary benefit. It personally doesn't bother me because it is far to rampant in many of the devices I use daily. However some that have taken the steps to avoid this yes it could be very upsetting when it is invading something a simple as a video game.

Our privacy is invaded much in our everyday lives if we are aware of it or not, CCTV cameras watch us in the street and almost everything we do is monitored somewhere, every transaction we make, everything we apply for is monitored. Our internet use is monitored, chat and messenger software is monitored, Facebook definately is and most people on here likely use that willingly.  Compared to the ammount of privacy infringements we suffer in everyday life and through the internet in general Origin knowing what games we have installed is pretty minor.

[shepskisaac]

RaenImrahl wrote...

I would suggest that someone make an inquiry on the Origin forums, located here:
http://forum.ea.com/...s/show/214.page

And get perma banned? Better not risk it lol

[Rockworm503]

RaenImrahl wrote...

@Cortyman , @Rockworm503 ... time to end this particular argument.

Sorry wasn't really meaning to start something I was mostly joking.
Wont bring it up again

[anzolino]

@ RaenImrahl
But we have to feed our conspiracy theories to get on a higher paranoid level. We cannot just ask in the EA forum or even read a FAQ, it's too easy. ;o)

[photographerleia]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Are there really people who are going to forgo playing Mass Effect 3 because it requires them to install an extra piece of software?

Yes.  I and a large number of people I know fall into this category.  That is because we have a firm belief about this issue, and about Origin in particular, and refuse to compromise that stand.

Modifié par photographerleia, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:32 .

[Ashertron]

IsaacShep wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

I would suggest that someone make an inquiry on the Origin forums, located here:
http://forum.ea.com/...s/show/214.page

And get perma banned? Better not risk it lol

Agree, EAs BAN-hammer is WAAYYYYYY to twitchy to risk it.

[tj987654321]

Why do some people have issues with Origin? How does it deter them from wanting to buy Mass Effect 3?
Personally, I have both Origin and Steam installed on my computer and I use them on a regular basis. I have never had any problems with Origin or Steam. Instead, I find both of them helpful because there are no disks required, even for retail purchases. For example, I purchased Left 4 Dead 2 at GameStop and then installed it on Steam, which required me to download the updates and free DLC. Now I never have to worry about the disk again because it is automatically stored on the hard drive. Also, services such as Origin allow users to have games installed on multiple systems. Instead of having to have a "play" disc when using a different system, users just have to install Origin (or Steam) on the new system and download their registered games.

I’m guessing that people fears about Origin are based on the rumors that Origin is “spyware”. However, both Steam and Origin's privacy policies are largely similar.

Steam:
By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties. Valve shall not share personally identifiable information with other parties, except as described in the policy below.

"Aggregate information" is information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user.

"Individual information" is information about a user that is presented in a form distinguishable from information relating to other users but not in a form that personally identifies any user or enables the recipient to communicate directly with any user unless agreed to by the user in advance of such communication. This information may be used to improve Valve's products and online sites, for internal marketing studies, or simply to collect demographic information about Valve's users.


Origin:

A. What Types of Non-Personal Information Does EA Collect?
When you use EA online and mobile products and services or you play our games on your PC or game system, we may collect certain non-personally identifiable information for purposes including improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personal information collected may include demographic information including gender, age, zip code, information about your computer, hardware, software, platform, game system, media, mobile device, including unique device IDs or other device identifiers, incident data, Internet Protocol (IP) address, network Media Access Control (MAC) address and connection. We also collect other non-personal information such as username, user ID or persona, feature usage, game play statistics, scores and achievements, user rankings and click paths as well as other data that you may provide in surveys, via your account preferences and online profiles such as friends lists or purchases, for instance. We may also receive either non-personal or public information from third parties in connection with market and demographic studies and/or other data that we use to supplement personal information provided directly by you.

Now if you actually read both of these statements, you will most likely say that Origin IS monitoring more information than Steam. However, if you look closely at the "Aggregate information” sentence in Steam’s Private Policy, it is actually vaguely stating the same exact thing as Origin’s policy.

Now I am not supporting the fact that ME3 will be an Origin exclusive; I actually would prefer it to be on both Steam and in stores to increase competition in pricing. However, why in the world would I give up on the series just because it is an Origin exclusive?

photographerleia did bring up a valid concern about how games may become unusable in Origin if EA were to cease operations, however this is true about any downloadable service where the customer does not have a physical copy.

(Had to edit because of formatting issues)

Modifié par tj987654321, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:33 .

[Ponendus]

What exactly is the objection to Origin, I'm sorry but I am having trouble finding it. This thread is large and fast moving and it's difficult to glean a rational perspective from it.

I see it mentioned as 'spyware', how does it gather information from the PC? What Chris Priestly said about it seems to make sense so it doesn't sound like spyware to me, so what is everyone's objection?

Or is it the fact that it isn't on Steam riling everyone? Isn't Origin and Steam essentially the same form of program, why isn't Steam accused of being spyware under the same objections? I seem to understand EA's objection to Steam not allowing direct contact with the consumers via DLC, is that what everyone is upset about?

If piracy is the issue, I think this Origin 'DRM' is one of the most lenient I have seen in recent years. At least it's only a one-time activation and doesn't require consistent internet connection or has a limit on the number of installs. Are you suggesting there should be literally no DRM at all? How do publishers protect their content from piracy otherwise? I agree with not punishing legitimate customers, but Origin hardly seems like punishment, it's nothing for a PC user. The completely DRM free system does not work, even CDProjektRED has admitted that it has severely hurt the Witcher series as people abused it.

I am very confused... I haven't solidified an opinion, I would love is someone could take the time to clarify where the debate is currently at? Thanks in advance.

[Ashertron]

anzolino wrote...

@ RaenImrahl
But we have to feed our conspiracy theories to get on a higher paranoid level. We cannot just ask in the EA forum or even read a FAQ, it's too easy. ;o)

>Implying EA would ever tell the truth.