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[goofyomnivore]

Its not nearly as bad anywhere else.

You ever heard of a company called Apple?

[Dragoonlordz]

photographerleia wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Okay, but that applies to all digital products. Ebooks, Games, Movies anything you get off of the net. However none of that is doable with retail product. Once I have a product in my home, no one can actually take it from me. So why isn't the solution to just get a retail product?

Because the retail product (which is what I WOULD be buying) requires downloading the Origin client as well.  You would expect using the client is you bought the game from the Origin Store.  Having to install the client when you buy retail, however, is unacceptable.

I had to install steam when bought retail Skyrim.

Did me no harm though as neither has Origin as it stands rgight now.

[izmirtheastarach]

Icinix wrote...

The retail product still requires it.

I understand that. But since I have a physical copy of the game, no one can stop me from playing it. It's not like Origin is some magic solution that will break into my home and remove the game and destroy the disc. Circumventing DRM is illegal in the US, so I guess legally US consumers are stuck. I suppose I can't argue with that.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:43 .

[Dragoonlordz]

strive wrote...

Its not nearly as bad anywhere else.

You ever heard of a company called Apple?

Yes, quite famous for using child labour I hear.

[Icinix]

Moondoggie wrote...

photographerleia wrote...


Because the retail product (which is what I WOULD be buying) requires downloading the Origin client as well.  You would expect using the client is you bought the game from the Origin Store.  Having to install the client when you buy retail, however, is unacceptable.

Same with Steam which is bundled with many retail versions of the most popular games out there. Why is it acceptable for Valve to do it and not EA?

*raises hand*

Actually I've been complaining about Valve doing it since Half Life 2.

To this day I have not purchased Half Life 2.

[kofelover]

anzolino wrote...

Ashertron wrote...
>Implying EA would ever tell the truth.

I never doubt it... actually... sometimes... maybe... ok, you win.


kofelover, are you there? Or just shocked sliding under the table?

Still here, but slowly sliding ......

[Ryzaki]

Incognito JC wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
They force Origin on the retail version as well. Believe me I was planning on buying the boxed copy. This crap comes with it too.

I'm not sure if I should yell or cry.

I might just get a friend to buy the PC version then play it on their PC

LOL

Alas all my friends have consoles. D: 

And frankly I didn't find it "okay" for Valve merely tolerable because that was the first client I installed. Like I said 3 times is my limit. I'm done. I refuse to install anymore useless bloatware on my comp.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:45 .

[photographerleia]

Moondoggie wrote...

photographerleia wrote...


Because the retail product (which is what I WOULD be buying) requires downloading the Origin client as well.  You would expect using the client is you bought the game from the Origin Store.  Having to install the client when you buy retail, however, is unacceptable.

Same with Steam which is bundled with many retail versions of the most popular games out there. Why is it acceptable for Valve to do it and not EA?

Check out the last reply I made to you regarding Steam when you posed a similar question.  I take issue with Steam too and, as a result, do not buy from them (or buy retail games requiring Steam) either.  Steam, however, is not the issue here - Origin is.

Modifié par photographerleia, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:46 .

[Zkyire]

If you bought a book from say Penguin publishers, would you then allow them to come into your study and sift through all your other books to see what else you read? And then take that book away from you, and stop you from buying any more of their books ever again if you tried to stop them from snooping in your study?

If you bought a car, would you let the manufacturors keep tabs on where you drive to? And then take that car away from you and ban you from ever buying another one of their cars if you try to disable this invasive tracking system?

So why is it that EA think that just because we buy one of their games that they think it's perfectly acceptable to install invasive DRM onto our computers to get our personal bloody information?

You're a COMPUTER GAME company. Even the bloody POLICE can't get our information without a warrant.

[Rockworm503]

Icinix wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

photographerleia wrote...


Because the retail product (which is what I WOULD be buying) requires downloading the Origin client as well.  You would expect using the client is you bought the game from the Origin Store.  Having to install the client when you buy retail, however, is unacceptable.

Same with Steam which is bundled with many retail versions of the most popular games out there. Why is it acceptable for Valve to do it and not EA?

*raises hand*

Actually I've been complaining about Valve doing it since Half Life 2.

To this day I have not purchased Half Life 2.

People have called me a hypocrite for loving Steam and hating Origin.

Easy Steam doesn't intrude on my computer and threaten to ban me if I sneeze in a way they don't approve.

[Ponendus]

Moondoggie wrote...

photographerleia wrote...


Because the retail product (which is what I WOULD be buying) requires downloading the Origin client as well.  You would expect using the client is you bought the game from the Origin Store.  Having to install the client when you buy retail, however, is unacceptable.

Same with Steam which is bundled with many retail versions of the most popular games out there. Why is it acceptable for Valve to do it and not EA?

This is my thought too. Skyrim is a recent example, that needed Steam activation even with retail copies didn't it? I still don't see the alternative. Has anyone suggested one? I'd be interested to know.

[Alex_SM]

Ponendus wrote...
I am very confused... I haven't solidified an opinion, I would love is someone could take the time to clarify where the debate is currently at? Thanks in advance.

Data mining:

Steam:
Disabled by default.
Users can enable it manually if thats their wish.
Has not been caught looking for files outside its own folder. 


Origin: 
Enabled by default.
Users can't disable it (seems that it would be possible with ME3, but still unclear if it really stops all the data mining or just the bits related to BW). 
Has been repeatidly caught looking for files outside its own folder and changing its properties. 

There are also some reports claiming it is able to breach sandboxing (unverifiable). 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:47 .

[Ottemis]

photographerleia wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

photographerleia wrote...


Because the retail product (which is what I WOULD be buying) requires downloading the Origin client as well.  You would expect using the client is you bought the game from the Origin Store.  Having to install the client when you buy retail, however, is unacceptable.

Same with Steam which is bundled with many retail versions of the most popular games out there. Why is it acceptable for Valve to do it and not EA?

Check out the last reply I made to you regarding Steam when you posed a similar question.  I take issue with Steam to and, as a result, do not buy from them (or buy retail games requiring Steam) either.

That's perfectly reasonable, I can respect that.

[Moondoggie]

Icinix wrote...


*raises hand*

Actually I've been complaining about Valve doing it since Half Life 2.

To this day I have not purchased Half Life 2.

And the worst thing about Steam is it being a third party required download with games. At least with Origin it's just a requirement with EA games. Valve has their claws in every popular game out there.

[Icinix]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Icinix wrote...

The retail product still requires it.

I understand that. But since I have a physical copy of the game, no one can stop me from playing it. It's not like Origin is some magic solution that will break into my home and remove the game and destroy the disc. Circumventing DRM is illegal in the US, so I guess legally US consumer are stuck. I suppose I can't argue with that.

It still requires Origin - so unless you spend the rest of your life without the internet on your computer and without ever needing to do an ME3 install - they can take the game away from you.

[izmirtheastarach]

Having principles is great, but this is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Denying yourself access to the final chapter of a great trilogy of games to make some sort of point just seems crazy to me. Especially since EA doesn't care about your point at all. It will not impact their bottom line one iota.

[Ponendus]

Alex_SM wrote...

Ponendus wrote...
I am very confused... I haven't solidified an opinion, I would love is someone could take the time to clarify where the debate is currently at? Thanks in advance.

Data mining:

Steam:
Disabled by default.
User must enable it manually.
Has not been caught looking for files outside its own folder. 


Origin: 
Enabled by default.
User can't disable it (seems that it would be possible with ME3, but still unclear if it really stops all the data mining or just the bits related to BW). 
Has been repeatidly caught looking for files outside its own folder and changing its properties. 

There are also some reports claiming it is able to breach sandboxing (unverifiable). 

Oh, ok. Well I will look for further info on that and form an opinion after reading exactly what it does. Thanks for pointing me the way though friend.

[izmirtheastarach]

Icinix wrote...

It still requires Origin - so unless you spend the rest of your life without the internet on your computer and without ever needing to do an ME3 install - they can take the game away from you.

According to the info that began this thread, a constant connection is not needed. Mass Effect 3 will require a one time, single authorization for the single player game.

Hmm. Reading your post again. As I said, nothing people in the US can do legally. Glad I don't live there.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:48 .

[Incognito JC]

Alex_SM wrote...

Origin:
Has been repeatidly caught looking for files outside its own folder and changing its properties. 

There are also some reports claiming it is able to breach sandboxing (unverifiable). 

How so? This is a deal-breaker if true.

[Rockworm503]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Having principles is great, but this is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Denying yourself access to the final chapter of a great trilogy of games to make some sort of point just seems crazy to me. Especially since EA doesn't care about your point at all. It will not impact their bottom line one iota.

If people didn't stand up to these kinds of things and take extreme issues with it.  We'd be paying Microsoft a subscription fee to play singleplayer games right now.

[anzolino]

@kofelover,
this was a joke right into the direction of those people who always claming that we are paranoid and have no proof about Origin is spyware. I think it is spyware. Your example shows it for me at least.
Do you have a new game installed?

[Dragoonlordz]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Having principles is great, but this is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Denying yourself access to the final chapter of a great trilogy of games to make some sort of point just seems crazy to me. Especially since EA doesn't care about your point at all. It will not impact their bottom line one iota.

Agreed, you are not alone in thinking that I said same thing not long ago.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:48 .

[goofyomnivore]

Easy Steam doesn't intrude on my computer and threaten to ban me if I sneeze in a way they don't approve.

Steam is just a bridge between the customer and the product. They're not responsible for what you do on all the games' servers. They will ban your whole account if you do anything on a Valve/Valve protected game that breaks the TOS they can't do that for other games because they're legally not allowed to. Their forums are also seperate from the Steam client while EA connects everything on EA account. If you're not smart enough to make another EA account different than the one you play on to protest things via promotion of piracy you deserve a ban out of idiocy.

EA owns Origin and all of Origin is EA controlled. They're god. If you go around promoting piracy and circumventing their power of course they're going to ban you.

Modifié par strive, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:50 .

[dcal31]

Anyone else on here remember back to ME when Bioware was teamed up Microsoft? You know, super evil corporation #1? Seems to me that I don't remember near the amount to rage and hassle about installing ME on PC then. So congrats, EA. You make Microsoft seem like the lesser evil in the Super Evil Organization category.

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Not surprised, not buying.

Drink a gallon of bleach Ricatello.