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[Habs25]

I played DA:O last year and got up to the point of calling the landsmeet but never finished it because I lost (long story) my xbox and my friend has my DA:O. I really enjoyed the game, although the combat was a little bit hard I enjoyed the challenge. I've been thinking I'd like to finish DA:O, and subsequently get DA2, so I was wondering, how does it compare to the first game and is it worth getting? How is the combat, and how is the story/characters/dialogue?
Thanks! 

[Ponendus]

They are very different games in a lot of respects. You should certainly finish DAO and the Awakening expansion and possibly the DLC's if you enjoyed the story.

DA2 combat is much faster, but some of the core elements that many enjoyed about DAO are a bit subpar in my opinion. The dialogue and characters are still excellent, the story is not quite as 'epic' and more focused on a smaller environment and smaller 'snippets' of stories in many respects.

Give it a go, it's fairly inexpensive now, you may just love it, who knows?

[TEWR]

The companions are awesome and dialogue between them is pretty solid, though I feel that they didn't get enough screen time to justify the timeline of the game.

The combat animations were reworked and for the most part I like them but the combat itself seems pretty one-sided.

The story is a divided issue, but it seems the majority of forumites -- myself among them -- think the story isn't that good.

Ultimately, it's up to you but I wasn't really a fan of the game. There was just too much wrong with the story and combat imo.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:38 .

[andar91]

Your mileage may vary, but I really like DA2. There are definite flaws in it, but I still like it. Rent it if you play on a console or download the demo and give it a try. You may or may not like it. But I would say it's at least worth a try; there are people that will say not to touch it, but I think they are way too harsh. Sure, it wasn't what some people wanted, but it's hardly a complete failure and still does many things well.

[Mclouvins]

DA2 is pretty much $20 everywhere (I image it's the same relative if you are a European) and it's certainly worth trying for that price.

[edeheusch]

For the majority of the community (about 65% according to the polls made on the social network here), DA2 is inferior to its predecessor.
- You can only play a human called Hawke.
- Most of the time, in the dialogue you don’t choose what your character would say but rather how Hawke would say it.
- The story is shorter and separated in 3 sub-stories (one per act) that are loosely linked together (and many players found only the sub-story of the second act really interesting).
- The game is much more combat focused and much less dialogue focused: do not expect to learn the background of your character at the beginning of the game like in DAO; you know that you flee Lothering and you start the game by a succession of fights again the darkspawns.
- Your decisions have much less influence on the scenario than in DAO (even when you believe that you can choose between 2 sides, you fight exactly the same guys at the end).
- They are many little interesting details that have been removed: there are no more items description (except for a few important items that have a codex entry), the different weapons type (swords, axes and maces) have only a different look…
- You companions are much less customisable: you cannot change the armours of your companions and they don’t have access to all the ability trees of they class when you level them up.

I don’t know if the game would worth it or not for you but I would definitively recommend you to buy back DAO and replay it to the end before to consider buying DA2. It is a much better game with a lot of replay value.

[Eudaemonium]

Definitely, and have many times to others, but not without the caveats given above. I personally love the characters and the story, and find them to be deep and interesting with complex motivations. The combat is fast-paced and easier than DAO (on Normal - Nightmare is probably about the same or harder), which is preferable to me. There is, however, a big issue with reused environments and various fight mechanics. Also as people have said, the main charcter is more fixed and has a voice, I personally think this is a strength, but YMMV.

It's relatively cheap now, so I say go for it anyway. You might hate it, but you won't have spent much so the chance is probably worth the risk.

[Plaguemaster]

I will recommend DA: Origins, but never DA2

[Storm Farron]

I would recommend it if your not an "RPG" purist

[Chaos Lord Malek]

DA2 is better in almost every way from DA:O. It has only two big flaws - Elves design is horrible and there are re-used areas.

For Elves - luck is that you don`t have to play them and both of the elves companions are completely unimportant to the most of the game stories including the main quest lines(mages/templars, Qunari). Compare to the Origins, your main character is more and better defined (something more closer to games like Witcher, Deus Ex or Planescape Torment, but you still can chose gender) - also both genders are voiced (especially female Hawke has very good voice actress, i would say at least as good as Jenifer Hale).

The game spans over 10 years and deals completely with city of Kirkwall and its surroundings, so during 3 chapters you will spend most of the time in the same areas, though i doubt you will be bothered by it much on first playthrough. Also the game is way more open and has a lot more quests then DA:O. Also DLCs - both Legacy and Mark of the Assassin adds nice chunk of content - however i would recommend to play them in third chapter as earliest, better even after the game's end.

Of its advantages -

Game runs much smoother and have far better graphics and animations then Origins.
Combat is vastly superior to what we have in Origins - especially Mages got a lots of improvements in animation department. Item look is a bit better then what we had in Origins, but its still not as great as it could be - the Champions armors are however the best looking in whole series(the one you see on promotional artworks and trailer).

Also companions wear their own armor, so there is no such stupidity as Morrigan in Chainmail or Oghren in Robes. But you still can equip them with their own weapons, and trinkets (which there is almost TOO many).

The dialogue - it dose`t offer much choices, its more like the decision on how you react - if you are mean or nice or funny, or deadly serious, etc... There are however some really important choices and you (almost) always have a option to 'cut' the issue (KILL KILL KILL) - so you can be murdering madman. Also almost all of the companions are vastly superior to what we had before - the best are no doubt Varric, Isabela, Anders and Aveline. And those are definitely some of the best characters in whole franchise, not just companions - especially Anders got a lots of attention.

Story - unlike the previous game, where the 'climax' is put at you almost at the beginning (Ostegar), here its more complicated and overall goal is less defined. So you don`t have any big Archdeamon you know you going to kill at the end. The first part deals mostly with the survival of your family and then eventually trouble starts brewing up and you and Hawke's family gets cough in the middle of it.

The first playthrough for me was around 50 hours - compare to Origins around 64 hours, the game is about 10-20% shorter in this department, but i have`t read any codex and lore entries, which you can gather. And Origins has a very slow pace, the combat is almost like slow motion - also Dragon Age 2 is substantially harder then Origins, some trolls on website says its a button mashing - maybe for them when they play on Easy, but any other difficulties required some tactics and strategy or you get owned pretty fast.

[Plaintiff]

I would highly recommend DA2. I vastly prefer it to Origins.

[alex90c]

Habs25 wrote...

I played DA:O last year and got up to the point of calling the landsmeet but never finished it because I lost (long story) my xbox and my friend has my DA:O. I really enjoyed the game, although the combat was a little bit hard I enjoyed the challenge. I've been thinking I'd like to finish DA:O, and subsequently get DA2, so I was wondering, how does it compare to the first game and is it worth getting? How is the combat, and how is the story/characters/dialogue?
Thanks! 

DA2 sucks bollocks. Don't get it.

[Sinuphro]

DA 2 is horrible. If you've played DAO, run away from DA 2. DA 2 was dumbed down in every way.

[AlexXIV]

To be fair, for 15 or 20 bucks it is ok. Considering how most people who don't like it bought it at release/preordered for twice or trice the money. If you wait a couple of months you may get an ultimate editition featuring all DLC though. So that may be worth waiting a bit longer.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 14 janvier 2012 - 12:54 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I only recommended it to one of my friends, namely a guy who didn't like DA:O because the introduction was too slow and wordy for him (he hadn't even gotten halfway through the HN Origin). I told him DA2 would be more his thing, since it goes into combat right away and DA2 combat is fairly fast-paced.

For some perspective, he's also a CoD fan.

[Vincent Laww]

I felt like you had more liberties in DAO. You had a choice of multiple character roles. Where as in DA2 you were basically forced to use specific characters just to progress through the storyline. DAO also had more immersive quests. DA2 has some good dlc, some good plot lines, but overall isn't as entertaining as its predecessor. Still worth getting to familiar yourself with some more Dragon Age content.

[Fast Jimmy]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I only recommended it to one of my friends, namely a guy who didn't like DA:O because the introduction was too slow and wordy for him (he hadn't even gotten halfway through the HN Origin). I told him DA2 would be more his thing, since it goes into combat right away and DA2 combat is fairly fast-paced.

For some perspective, he's also a CoD fan.

Out of curiosity, did your friend get through DA2?

[Plaintiff]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I only recommended it to one of my friends, namely a guy who didn't like DA:O because the introduction was too slow and wordy for him (he hadn't even gotten halfway through the HN Origin). I told him DA2 would be more his thing, since it goes into combat right away and DA2 combat is fairly fast-paced.

For some perspective, he's also a CoD fan.

Why is perspective needed? What perspective are we supposed to be gaining? Whether or not he likes CoD has as much to do with DA2 as any other game he likes. CoD is still different from DA2 in very substantial ways.

You might as well have said "For some perspective, he's a Sims/FIFA World Cup/Cooking Mama/Pokemon fan". It would have as much meaning.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:15 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I only recommended it to one of my friends, namely a guy who didn't like DA:O because the introduction was too slow and wordy for him (he hadn't even gotten halfway through the HN Origin). I told him DA2 would be more his thing, since it goes into combat right away and DA2 combat is fairly fast-paced.

For some perspective, he's also a CoD fan.

Out of curiosity, did your friend get through DA2?

I have a friend you plays Call of Duty: Black Ops quite a bit and is also a BIG fan of RPGs like Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Skyrim, and Dragon Age: Origins and he didn't like Dragon Age II.
 
I highly recommend Dragon Age II it's not a great game by any means but it's still a damn good and fun game.

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 14 janvier 2012 - 03:18 .

[Gunderic]

I would recommend that you stay as far away from DA 2 as possible. All you'll get is "gigglesquees" and "crazy up against the wall(s), let's have it on right here(s)" from a very incompetently-written script.

I've seen children's poetry that was much better written than Dragon Age 2.

[Fast Jimmy]

Plaintiff wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I only recommended it to one of my friends, namely a guy who didn't like DA:O because the introduction was too slow and wordy for him (he hadn't even gotten halfway through the HN Origin). I told him DA2 would be more his thing, since it goes into combat right away and DA2 combat is fairly fast-paced.

For some perspective, he's also a CoD fan.

Why is perspective needed? What perspective are we supposed to be gaining? Whether or not he likes CoD has as much to do with DA2 as any other game he likes. CoD is still different from DA2 in very substantial ways.

You might as well have said "For some perspective, he's a Sims/FIFA World Cup/Cooking Mama/Pokemon fan". It would have as much meaning.

Actaully, if you told me that, it would have a lot of meaning. I've played the Sims, but no one would label me as a Sims fan. I've played FIFA, but no one would label me as a FIFA fan. I've never played Cooking Mama or Pokemon.

If you are labeling someone as a fan of a game/series, it means they enjoy immensely, they think it is a quality type of genre. It shows what gameplay mechanics you prefer to use, what pace of action is best to engage your interest, it tells how large your story and/or dialogue requirements are.

If you had said "he has played Sims/FIFA/Cooking Mama/Pokemon before" then, I agree, that doesn't give us much to go off of.

[Plaintiff]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I only recommended it to one of my friends, namely a guy who didn't like DA:O because the introduction was too slow and wordy for him (he hadn't even gotten halfway through the HN Origin). I told him DA2 would be more his thing, since it goes into combat right away and DA2 combat is fairly fast-paced.

For some perspective, he's also a CoD fan.

Why is perspective needed? What perspective are we supposed to be gaining? Whether or not he likes CoD has as much to do with DA2 as any other game he likes. CoD is still different from DA2 in very substantial ways.

You might as well have said "For some perspective, he's a Sims/FIFA World Cup/Cooking Mama/Pokemon fan". It would have as much meaning.

Actaully, if you told me that, it would have a lot of meaning. I've played the Sims, but no one would label me as a Sims fan. I've played FIFA, but no one would label me as a FIFA fan. I've never played Cooking Mama or Pokemon.

If you are labeling someone as a fan of a game/series, it means they enjoy immensely, they think it is a quality type of genre. It shows what gameplay mechanics you prefer to use, what pace of action is best to engage your interest, it tells how large your story and/or dialogue requirements are.

If you had said "he has played Sims/FIFA/Cooking Mama/Pokemon before" then, I agree, that doesn't give us much to go off of.

But he can be a fan of all of those things and still be a fan of Dragon Age. Or not, as the case may be. He could just like video games, choosing to approach each one individually. Being a fan of CoD does not preclude him from liking Origins, but that seems to be the assumption here.

The way Shadow presented the information suggested that his liking of CoD somehow invalidated his opinion: "My friend found DA:O slow and wordy, but he's a CoD fan".

The implication is that someone who wasn't a CoD would unquestionably feel differently, that enjoying CoD negates his criticism, or makes his testimony unreliable, and that strikes me as prejudiced.

Speaking as someone who's never played CoD and doesn't like war games in general, I too found DA:O to be slow and wordy. Frustratingly so. The characters stories are interesting, but the interminable rambling monologues are not, and frankly, I think the information could have been communicated a lot more effectively. I've finished it twice despite that, with many incomplete playthroughs, and I don't see myself picking it up again for a long, long time, if ever.

This is the major reason I prefer the voiced protagonist of DA2, and the more cinematic style of the dialogue in general. Talking to party members in DA2 actually feels like a conversation.Talking to party members in Origins was more like having a story read aloud to me, and not a very interesting one at that. If I can click on a dialogue option, and then get up to fix myself a sandwich or take a leak and return to find that the person is still talking about the same thing, that's boring.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 14 janvier 2012 - 04:48 .

[Drasanil]

I wouldn't recommend it, DA2 was so bad it retroactively killed my enjoyment of DAO which I absolutely loved. The thought of where the franchise is heading after DA2 just makes me not want to bother with any of it, I hope DA3 turns out differently.

-Hawke; a DA port of Shepard, could be a positive for some, not for me and though I haven't played ME (not much into Scifi) Shepard at least seemed to have the illusion of more agency and relevance than Hawke ever manages.
-I found the more cinematic approach, while a plus for some, eventually grated on my nerves. Whilst part of this was that I simply didn't like Hawke, another significant factor of it was that I found the actual pacing too slow and drawn out for my tastes.
-Horribly, implausibly, irrationally stupid mages and templars who seem to be naught but a 12 year old's caricature of the aforementioned factions.
-The companions while well written, I did not find all that engaging, essentially they interact more with your free DLC dog than with Hawke him/herself, and you have next to no ability to really influence them.
-Horribly reused and abused environments.
-Whilst the actual combat mechanics and talents are largely improved, as is the 'flow', the actual level design and frankly stupid parachuting knight style re-spawning waves render most of it moot. Similarly the bosses are largely a step backwards, being little more than repetitive grind fests with insanely big health bars.
-Anders, I loved him in DAA, absolutely hated him in DA2... can't explain why though with out going into spoilers.
-There are a few more things but suffice it to say they can generally be covered under the 'Bioware rushed it' argument.

[esper]

It is a good game and I recommend it. Not the same as da:o though, personally I liked da2 more, but that is because of I liked Hawke who felt more human than the warden who was too much in god-mode for my taste.
It does have some huge minuses such as reused maps and also being slightly rushed which shows in some areas.

[ladyluck278]

Personally I liked it. It was not as good as DAO and alot of things could be improved and lots of things about the game bother me but then there are those things about the game I like. My recommendation is to not judge based on our recommendations or lack thereof but if you can get it for cheap and it seems like the prices on it have dropped, then try it out. I am one to keep an open mind tho and try many different things. I got bored with DAO before getting it on the PC, had it on the Xbox and when I was able to add mods to it then i found myself with an entirely different game.

Have fun and again don't judge the game by our comments or those of so called game critics. IF you like the DA series then try it out and make your own decision.

Take care. 

PS it is VERY different than DAO. 

Modifié par ladyluck278, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:47 .