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[vixvicco]

If you're going to get DA 3 whenever it comes out, why not play and finish the pevious titles? Plus the awesome import save feature. I prefer Origins, but I loved DA 2 as well. Its worth it!

Modifié par vixvicco, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:48 .

[DreamwareStudio]

I bought DA 2 and DA:O Ultimate Edition at the same time, and started playing both.  DA 2 is an insipid game-playing experience.  I found DA:O to be an excellent game, though it gets too easy in the latter stages.  Note that I've yet to get beyond the Landsmeet or face the end battle, so I am not speaking towards those but the past few quests have been like sleepwalking because of the lack of challenge.

Still, I would definitely recommend DA:O.  I would not do the same with DA 2 even if it came for free.  I spent $10 on my copy, and I question whether DA 2 was worth that little.  Seriously.  I do not hate DA 2; I simply feel nothing for it.  For me, it had that little of a draw.

Modifié par google_calasade, 14 janvier 2012 - 06:53 .

[csfteeeer]

*Breaths*

No.

[DarkDragon777]

.....No....no I wouldn't

[Salaya]

I wouldn't recommend DA2 to anyone.

Play Origins to the end before, and if you feel in the mood and keep in mind that is a different (and vastly inferior) game, go ahead and pick it up -but, 20$ seems a bit overpriced to me; if you can get it for 5$ or less, much better.

[Fast Jimmy]

Plaintiff wrote...

But he can be a fan of all of those things and still be a fan of Dragon Age. Or not, as the case may be. He could just like video games, choosing to approach each one individually. Being a fan of CoD does not preclude him from liking Origins, but that seems to be the assumption here.

The way Shadow presented the information suggested that his liking of CoD somehow invalidated his opinion: "My friend found DA:O slow and wordy, but he's a CoD fan".

Its called a generalization. Its not successful in predicting every single particular outcome, but is useful in predicting overall patterns and behaviors. If I were to say "my friend doesn't like ballet, but he's a hockey fan" you'd have no problem making the leap that most hockey fans like physical, fast-paced action and rowdiness, while a ballet is more a refined sense of grace and finese. Both are physical forms of entertainment, but cater to totally different groups of people, despite the fact that both groups are "entertainment" fans. Neither is invalidating the other, you can have hockey fans who like ballet. Its just a generalization.

This is the major reason I prefer the voiced protagonist of DA2, and the more cinematic style of the dialogue in general. Talking to party members in DA2 actually feels like a conversation.Talking to party members in Origins was more like having a story read aloud to me, and not a very interesting one at that. If I can click on a dialogue option, and then get up to fix myself a sandwich or take a leak and return to find that the person is still talking about the same thing, that's boring.

I'm sorry you didn't like the dialogue in Origins. I don't disparage anyone liking one game and not liking another.

However, unless you are the fastest sandwich maker in the world, I can't for the life of me think of one conversation where someone is talking about the same thing longer than the two minutes it would take to make a sandwich. And I played through the game eight times in its entirety.

If you'd like, I can give examples how DA2 had a more fast-paced, action-based type of gameplay, which some are attribituing to a CoD type of fanbase? You need only look at the 10 hours of combat I had with my DW Rogue Hawke.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 14 janvier 2012 - 07:40 .

[Silfren]

Habs25 wrote...

I played DA:O last year and got up to the point of calling the landsmeet but never finished it because I lost (long story) my xbox and my friend has my DA:O. I really enjoyed the game, although the combat was a little bit hard I enjoyed the challenge. I've been thinking I'd like to finish DA:O, and subsequently get DA2, so I was wondering, how does it compare to the first game and is it worth getting? How is the combat, and how is the story/characters/dialogue?
Thanks! 

I would recommend it, yes.  I'd explain the caveat that it simply doesn't live up to the same complexity of depth as Origins, because it was so badly rushed that there are quite a few cringe-worthy issues for which there is simply no excuse--especially not the flimsy one of game mechanics/story separation.  But the overall story itself makes it worthwhile.

Of course, I have to add that I would be recommending it specifically to those whose primary interest is in the story, not beating the game or maxing their madskillz.

[Silfren]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

DA2 is better in almost every way from DA:O. It has only two big flaws - Elves design is horrible and there are re-used areas.

For Elves - luck is that you don`t have to play them and both of the elves companions are completely unimportant to the most of the game stories including the main quest lines(mages/templars, Qunari). Compare to the Origins, your main character is more and better defined (something more closer to games like Witcher, Deus Ex or Planescape Torment, but you still can chose gender) - also both genders are voiced (especially female Hawke has very good voice actress, i would say at least as good as Jenifer Hale).

The game spans over 10 years and deals completely with city of Kirkwall and its surroundings, so during 3 chapters you will spend most of the time in the same areas, though i doubt you will be bothered by it much on first playthrough. Also the game is way more open and has a lot more quests then DA:O. Also DLCs - both Legacy and Mark of the Assassin adds nice chunk of content - however i would recommend to play them in third chapter as earliest, better even after the game's end.

Of its advantages -

Game runs much smoother and have far better graphics and animations then Origins.
Combat is vastly superior to what we have in Origins - especially Mages got a lots of improvements in animation department. Item look is a bit better then what we had in Origins, but its still not as great as it could be - the Champions armors are however the best looking in whole series(the one you see on promotional artworks and trailer).

Also companions wear their own armor, so there is no such stupidity as Morrigan in Chainmail or Oghren in Robes. But you still can equip them with their own weapons, and trinkets (which there is almost TOO many).

The dialogue - it dose`t offer much choices, its more like the decision on how you react - if you are mean or nice or funny, or deadly serious, etc... There are however some really important choices and you (almost) always have a option to 'cut' the issue (KILL KILL KILL) - so you can be murdering madman. Also almost all of the companions are vastly superior to what we had before - the best are no doubt Varric, Isabela, Anders and Aveline. And those are definitely some of the best characters in whole franchise, not just companions - especially Anders got a lots of attention.

Story - unlike the previous game, where the 'climax' is put at you almost at the beginning (Ostegar), here its more complicated and overall goal is less defined. So you don`t have any big Archdeamon you know you going to kill at the end. The first part deals mostly with the survival of your family and then eventually trouble starts brewing up and you and Hawke's family gets cough in the middle of it.

The first playthrough for me was around 50 hours - compare to Origins around 64 hours, the game is about 10-20% shorter in this department, but i have`t read any codex and lore entries, which you can gather. And Origins has a very slow pace, the combat is almost like slow motion - also Dragon Age 2 is substantially harder then Origins, some trolls on website says its a button mashing - maybe for them when they play on Easy, but any other difficulties required some tactics and strategy or you get owned pretty fast.

I will NEVER understand why anyone who has played the entire game can completely disregard the ton of problems DA2 has, only to hold up character models and map re-use as tremendous flaws when those are arguably the most trivial aspects of all the game's faults. 

[JosephCurwen]

vixvicco wrote...

Would you recommend DA2?

To be remade by a different development team with a proper development cycle, sure.

[rapscallioness]

Definitely play DA2. I enjoyed it very much. It was a good game.

DA2 felt more emotional to me. DAO just didn't seem to have the same emotion. The roller coaster that was Kirkwall.

And I don't like zombie protagonists. I tolerate them, but if given a choice, I'd rather have a voiced, responsive character.

DAO was a good game, too. Well worth completing. And they got the romances down better than DA2. At least w/Alistair.

[Morroian]

Silfren wrote...

I will NEVER understand why anyone who has played the entire game can completely disregard the ton of problems DA2 has, only to hold up character models and map re-use as tremendous flaws when those are arguably the most trivial aspects of all the game's faults. 

Disagree about map reuse, it is a huge problem to go in exactly the same cave 20-30 times during the game with no attempt at all to hide the similarities. It makes the later missions in the games in those areas more of a chore, the saving grace being the missions aren't that long therefore its easy to blast through those. 

[Cross Hassan]

Simplest answer: Yes! obviously i would recommend to play it.
Now, the thing that differs DA:O and DA:II is that Dragon Age 2 is a very good game but Dragon Age Origins was the best ( so far )...

[PaulSX]

DA2 is still an Okay game. play it if you liked lore in dragon age. pass it if you are looking forward to a similar role playing game experience like DAO.

[Zubie]

It's okay. The game is painfully mediocre and it seems like the devs cut corners wherever they possibly could. It's a pretty fun game but the story and it's characters are forgettable. I would normally say get it if you really liked the first game but the game is just so different compared to Origins.

I say give it a shot. The game is cheap and I still managed to enjoy it somewhat because I just like the lore of Dragon Age.

[andraip]

I would recommend it, it's a good game (however I bit rushed), and it's cheap...

[rft]

It's a fun game. Not as good as DA:O though (at least story wise, I am one of the few who actually enjoyed the combat).

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Out of curiosity, did your friend get through DA2?

I can't remember if he even ended up buying it, to be honest. Just that I recommended he'd like the fast pace more. I'll ask him when I see him in a couple of days.

Plaintiff wrote...

Why is perspective needed? What perspective are we supposed to be gaining? Whether or not he likes CoD
has as much to do with DA2 as any other game he likes. CoD is still different from DA2 in very substantial ways.

I apologise if my comment offended. All I can say is that from the gamers I personally know who play war-based FPS games, all of them find that dialogue and cinematics get in the way of shooting things. One of them even commented to me recently that she hates Single Player mode now because it tends to be bogged down with too much story.

It's given me a somewhat skewed opinion of what FPS fans enjoy. I know they're not all like that, my prejudices just slip once in a while. Sorry!

Edit: Spelling.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 15 janvier 2012 - 12:52 .

[Nette]

rapscallioness wrote...

Definitely play DA2. I enjoyed it very much. It was a good game.

DA2 felt more emotional to me. DAO just didn't seem to have the same emotion. The roller coaster that was Kirkwall.

And I don't like zombie protagonists. I tolerate them, but if given a choice, I'd rather have a voiced, responsive character.

DAO was a good game, too. Well worth completing. And they got the romances down better than DA2. At least w/Alistair.

This! I really loved DA2. Sure it has flaws but not so bad as alot of people make it sound. The characters are great (as with all bioware-games) and the fact that Hawke has a voice and facial expressions makes it a lot easier to connect with and care about her (or him), than with the MC in DAO. And about the battles...I have to say, I vastly prefer the fast-paced DA2 battles over Origins, they are just to slow. And don't get me wrong I love Origins to, after all I've completed about 10+ playthroughs, but I prefer DA2 (about the same number of playthroughs, but I still want to play it again...Origins...not so much).

Modifié par Nette, 15 janvier 2012 - 01:27 .

[eroeru]

google_calasade wrote...

Still, I would definitely recommend DA:O.  I would not do the same with DA 2 even if it came for free. 

This.

Though it bothers me to say this (as it's a subject that has been debated and nagged upon forever), I agree wholeheartedly and want to get this out to as many people as possible... It was a huge disappointment, even to many who didn't find it awful (more or less - like I did).

[Shevy]

Don't expect something like DA:O and you can give it a try. With other expectations it can be a fun game. For me , it was mostly not.

[OdanUrr]

Depends.

[Kondorr]

There were 3 major fantasy RPGs last year...
I think DA2 was the 3rd best of them

Modifié par Kondorr, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:13 .

[HanErlik]

I recommend not to buy it.

As I said before, the higher DA2's sales get, the worse DA3 will be.

[Das Tentakel]

Yes, but only conditionally:

1)The buyer has to have played DA:O and at least liked it, specifically the tactical combat and the voice dialog;
2) Price has to be around 10 euros or dollars;
3) The buyer has to have plenty of spare time: there are much better games out there to waste your time on.

Not high praise, but as the game can now be found for PC for that price or less if you look around, it's a recommendation of sorts.

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:59 .