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[GodWood]

Shinobu wrote...
Did you watch the vids?

Admittedly no. I do not have ear phones on me and am currently in an environment where watching inter-species videogame romances would get me strange looks. 

I agree, it definitely could have been pulled off better. I'm hoping in ME3 it won't just be "best friends who happen to sleep together."

As someone who has read the spoilers I can confirm it's quite the opposite.

[Shinobu]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

I'm hoping in ME3 it won't just be "best friends who happen to sleep together."

The leaked script says it won't be.

Yay!:wub:

Thanks for not including spoilers.

[Shinobu]

GodWood wrote...

Shinobu wrote...
Did you watch the vids?

Admittedly no. I do not have ear phones on me and am currently in an environment where watching inter-species videogame romances would get me strange looks. 

I agree, it definitely could have been pulled off better. I'm hoping in ME3 it won't just be "best friends who happen to sleep together."

As someone who has read the spoilers I can confirm it's quite the opposite.

March cannot get here soon enough!

Basically all the breakups are:

Femshep: I value you too much as a friend to screw it up with casual sex.
Garrus: You're right... In any case, I'll always be there for you.

Modifié par Shinobu, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:11 .

[Asenza]

GodWood wrote...

Shinobu wrote...
You can interpret the romance that way if you want. To me it feels like two best friends who are scared to death of ruining their current relationship by trying for more, so they make light of the situation until the end.

I think you're letting your head canon slip in.

Sure it's fun to read into things and pretend it's far deeper how it's actually presented but lets not kid ourselves on just how 'deep' this romance is. There are moments within the romance where Garrus does kind of display some form of affection towards femshep making it seem that the romance is more then just two f*ck buddies but unfortunately this is rarely explored on the end of femshep.

Frankly I think the f*ck buddies angle is just a poor starting point to begin with. He's a fricking raptor monster! They had a chance to develop femshep herself as a character by allowing the player to express her confusion in regards to her affections for something so 'other worldly' and explore the hows and whys of why she is feeling the way she does, etc etc.

Instead the writers went with "Want to let off some steam". >.>

Don't get me wrong though, by the end of the romance Garrus does care for Shepard in a 'relationshipy' way, it's just poorly built up and executed.

That always did strike me as sad.

They missed a great opportunity. It was like at the end the writers realized that people's Shepards didn't want to just sleep with Garrus, they wanted a different kind of relationship with Garrus, but the change between the lighthearted, 'lets blow off some steam" and "I want something to go right just once" is so jarring you can hear the clunk.

[Shinobu]

Asenza wrote...
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That always did strike me as sad.

They missed a great opportunity. It was like at the end the writers realized that people's Shepards didn't want to just sleep with Garrus, they wanted a different kind of relationship with Garrus, but the change between the lighthearted, 'lets blow off some steam" and "I want something to go right just once" is so jarring you can hear the clunk.

Yes, that was a little schizo, and it would have been nice if the romance had been more emotional throughout, but he did drop little hints along the way:

"There's no one I respect more than you."
"You're the only friend I have left in this screwed up galaxy."
"I want a moment that's just for us."

If anything, as GodWood said, it was FemShep's failure to reciprocate (even in the last scene) that made things awkward. She did have some nice lines, though:

"I don't want something closer to home -- I want you." (Though her next line kind of screwed that up by making it sound like she only wanted Garrus because she was afraid Jacob would plant a bug on her. <_<)
"I want that, too, Garrus." (in response to his "moment just for us" line).

Modifié par Shinobu, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:02 .

[Nu-Nu]

GodWood wrote...

It honestly baffles me as to why so many females like Garrus as a romance option. Yes, he's a pretty cool dude but unfortunately his romance is pretty poor.

Yes it did have the potential to be something quite deep by exploring how two people could develop affections for one another despite their biological barriers and so on, but instead it was just "lol, wanna bang?" "Yeah ok." With some silly innuendo thrown in.

EDIT: Then again Jack's my LI and I think her romance was executed terribly (Shepard comes off as a creep). So is that what everyone is doing, romancing the character because they like the character (and not the romance) and then scrapping what Bioware has written and filling it with their own head canon?

It was Garrus's loyalty mission that got me, not the romance convo. It showed his vunerable side. He was so depressed and that made him seem so human, I was like awww femshep will make you all better. He is the only guy that femshep can have a joke with without it being cheesy, can't really laugh with Thane as he's on death's door, and Jacob turns femshep into a cringeworthy creep. And Garrus and femshep love scene was so sweet and touching.

[Asenza]

Shinobu wrote...

Yes, that was a little schizo, and it would have been nice if the romance had been more emotional throughout, but he did drop little hints along the way:

"There's no one I respect more than you."
"You're the only friend I have left in this screwed up galaxy."
"I want a moment that's just for us."

If anything, as GodWood said, it was FemShep's failure to reciprocate (even in the last scene) that made things awkward. She did have some nice lines, though:

"I don't want something closer to home -- I want you." (Though her next line kind of screwed that up by making it sound like she only wanted Garrus because she was afraid Jacob would plant a bug on her. <_<)
"I want that, too, Garrus." (in response to his "moment just for us" line).

Hn, that's more of a Shepard-being-a-brick failing than anything else, or rather, the one-sidedness of the romances. All the LI's do is give, talk about themselves, their feelings, their pasts. They show themselves to Shepard when they're wrecked emotionally, at their lowest point psychologically, but save for maybe that one conversation with Jacob, no other LI gets to hear Shepard give a bit of themself.

Well, we get that one moment at the end of Lair of the Shadow Broker, but that needs to happen a lot more. Like in ME1, where Ashley or Kaidan would bring up Shepard's background and Shepard got a chance to respond as to how they dealt with things. THAT's roleplaying, THAT's what Dragon Age Origins and ME1 did so well.

Picking flat, emotionless dialogue options from an animated head and substituting oneself in, isn't roleplaying. I really hope the promise of "adding to Shepard as a character" really comes through in ME3.

[Abraham_uk]

Asenza wrote...

Shinobu wrote...

Yes, that was a little schizo, and it would have been nice if the romance had been more emotional throughout, but he did drop little hints along the way:

"There's no one I respect more than you."
"You're the only friend I have left in this screwed up galaxy."
"I want a moment that's just for us."

If anything, as GodWood said, it was FemShep's failure to reciprocate (even in the last scene) that made things awkward. She did have some nice lines, though:

"I don't want something closer to home -- I want you." (Though her next line kind of screwed that up by making it sound like she only wanted Garrus because she was afraid Jacob would plant a bug on her. <_<)
"I want that, too, Garrus." (in response to his "moment just for us" line).

Hn, that's more of a Shepard-being-a-brick failing than anything else, or rather, the one-sidedness of the romances. All the LI's do is give, talk about themselves, their feelings, their pasts. They show themselves to Shepard when they're wrecked emotionally, at their lowest point psychologically, but save for maybe that one conversation with Jacob, no other LI gets to hear Shepard give a bit of themself.

Well, we get that one moment at the end of Lair of the Shadow Broker, but that needs to happen a lot more. Like in ME1, where Ashley or Kaidan would bring up Shepard's background and Shepard got a chance to respond as to how they dealt with things. THAT's roleplaying, THAT's what Dragon Age Origins and ME1 did so well.

Picking flat, emotionless dialogue options from an animated head and substituting oneself in, isn't roleplaying. I really hope the promise of "adding to Shepard as a character" really comes through in ME3.

This is actually a facinating topic. Has nothing to do with "why are there never attractive male aliens." Do you mind if I form another topic and add your remarks there?

Going back to the topic.

Shinobu made it quite clear earlier that it wasn't so much the physical attributes that made the aliens attractive but their different personalities. Knowing that it would be hard to find anyone like that in your own species. The attraction was alot more about linking personalities and chemistry. What makes Garrus attractive aside from his reach and love of girls with flexibility? His general bravado and dedication to service along with disillusion with red tape and regulations. He wants to do the right thing and is fed up of all the restrictions that prevent him from getting the job done. Shepard (male or female) relates to this since in all of the possible Shepard backgrounds/service history Shepard has had a similiar mentality. That is why Garrus is attractive.

In conclusion there are attractive male aliens. Now we can start a thread about how romance can be improved.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 16 janvier 2012 - 07:39 .

[Silver77nz]

Sounds like a good idea if you start one but be prepared.....

[LaurenShepard-N7]

OP here again, ignore my different username. To clarify what I meant by my original post, I don't expect all the aliens in the game to look like humans, I just think it's a double standard that the prominent female aliens in this game are highly fetishist, but there are no sexy male equivalents of them. Females of the less physically attractive species (Turians, Krogan, Salarians...) are hardly/never seen for that matter. It's sexist but it exists in every media, men can be ugly as sin but female characters are always supermodels, just in sci-fi they have blue skin. I know game designers are predominantly male and were too busy ****** to the asaris to even consider designing a male form for them ("monogendered" female aliens who can mate with any species sounds the set up for a low budget porno). What I'm saying is it would be nice for a game that has the ability to play as a female, and includes romance as a notable subplot, to include more alien love interests for a female Shepard, other than a scaly man-fish.

[HolyAvenger]

You have a point imo. FShep romances suck in comparison to MShep romances.

Since only 18% of players play FShep, maybe they only put in 18% of the effort.

[Nu-Nu]

HolyAvenger wrote...

You have a point imo. FShep romances suck in comparison to MShep romances.

Since only 18% of players play FShep, maybe they only put in 18% of the effort.

Where did you get that percentage from?

[HolyAvenger]

Pretty famous stat.

http://www.gameinfor...spx?PageIndex=2

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 17 janvier 2012 - 11:50 .

[Armass81]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

OP here again, ignore my different username. To clarify what I meant by my original post, I don't expect all the aliens in the game to look like humans, I just think it's a double standard that the prominent female aliens in this game are highly fetishist, but there are no sexy male equivalents of them. Females of the less physically attractive species (Turians, Krogan, Salarians...) are hardly/never seen for that matter. It's sexist but it exists in every media, men can be ugly as sin but female characters are always supermodels, just in sci-fi they have blue skin. I know game designers are predominantly male and were too busy ****** to the asaris to even consider designing a male form for them ("monogendered" female aliens who can mate with any species sounds the set up for a low budget porno). What I'm saying is it would be nice for a game that has the ability to play as a female, and includes romance as a notable subplot, to include more alien love interests for a female Shepard, other than a scaly man-fish.

Females arent always super models in ME. Take doctor Kenson from arrival for example.

I do agree the portrayal of some females and not including the others from "ugly" species seems kinda sexist.

[Nu-Nu]

I'm not sure if all the female aliens are beautiful, what about Krogan woman and Turian woman? We only saw a dead krogan female in ME2 and they look exactly like their male counterparts. Still yet to see Turian woman, but I bet the turtle look won't appeal to many guys.

[Lucky Thirteen]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Pretty famous stat.

http://www.gameinfor...spx?PageIndex=2

The thing about this stat, it doesn't say how many of the players are female and how many are male. It seems female players tend to be more comfortable playing as both genders than male players are. I know I don't fall under that category, but I know a lot of female players who make both gender Shepards.

So if Bioware is judging by that state how many female players are playing, they've doing it wrong.

I don't think they expected so many female players to be interested in this game. Over the years, they have grown a female fan base steadily, and I think due in part because of having the choice to play female and there are some good male romances involved. Because of this growing fanbase they created Thane, they spent a whole month trying to make him for the female fan base, asking for help from the women in their offices.

As with everything, not everyone is satisfied. As I always say, the game still functions fine without a romance. It's not that important.

Yeah, I noticed day one that this game has that thing with all the femaliens being hot and the maliens are fugly, but I don't doubt Bioware caring for the female fanbase. They tried with Thane and perhaps in the future they will try more. I just worry about the realism of the game when all the aliens go from looking freaky/weird/cool dinosaurs, to super attractive, humanoids.

I'd rather see all the female aliens from the turians, krogans, drell, salarians, not looking like sexy humanoids with mammal chests(cause you know, they are all lizards, not mammals), than adding more sexy humanoids males for the female fan base.

[nevar00]

I don't think Turians look bad. Or Drell. And we don't know what the women of those two species look like.

Krogan and Salarians are pretty much the same, male or female.

Quarians... jury's still out on them but they don't seem particularly bad themselves, male or female.

So that just leaves Asari as far as a race with only good looking women (and this one is by default) are concerned. So I'm not really seeing what the OP means. And this is assuming all female Volus, Elcor, etc are roughly the same as the males.

I'd rather have the aliens look alien anyway. They don't need to be attractive.

[LaurenShepard-N7]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
 they spent a whole month trying to make him for the female fan base, asking for help from the women in their offices.

 
Interesting concept art there, Thane looks a lot more attractive on the far left albeit way more humanoid. I think it was the soul eating bug eyes and neck gills that turned him from potentially cute to creepy imo. 

[Armass81]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...
 they spent a whole month trying to make him for the female fan base, asking for help from the women in their offices.

 
Interesting concept art there, Thane looks a lot more attractive on the far left albeit way more humanoid. I think it was the soul eating bug eyes and neck gills that turned him from potentially cute to creepy imo. 

Im kinda glad they went with the more alien look, the other race looks like an alien from 60's Star Trek or one of those playable races in TOR. And that aint good.

Modifié par Armass81, 17 janvier 2012 - 03:55 .

[Motherlander]

I agree with the OP in the sense that I find all the Femshep LIs uninteresting while the Male LIs are good.

I am male but prefer playing Femshep and I don't like any of the Femshep LI's. I realise I am male and so am not going to find the male characters naturally attractive. But I would like to have some interersting appealing LIs for my Femsheps. I do feel that the Manshep Li's are simply more interesting, believable and satisfying.

Let's look at what we get:
Manshep:
Miranda - A genetically engineered attractive human female
Jack - A human female - not attractive but interesting for a change
Ashley - An attractive human female
Liara - An alien that looks like an attractive human female
Tali - We don't know what tali looks like. Thus can imagine she is as pretty as we want.

So in summary, all the LI's are human, human-like or can be imagined as such. All are interesting, different and appealing in their own way.

Femshep
Kaiden - Human male I find annoying - Too much of a pu$$y for me
Jacob - Human male I find annoying - An arrogant pu$$y for me.
Garrus - Fugly alien who looks like some sort of bird/cat/dinosaur/insect thing
Thane- A lizard. He is a green scaly lizard. He is not even a mammal.
Liara - See a bove. Effectivly psuedo lesbian.

If you like creepy aliens, "sensitive" men or girls you are set.

If you don't want to play a psuedo lesbian or a creepy looking looking alien, you have the choice of two males who are just irritating. I would like to think that my Femshep could have a decent relationship with a human looking male character. Even Zaeed would have been an interesting LI.

After ME2, Liara and Kaiden are probably the preferred LIs in that order. But in reality, I think my canon femshep will probably have to be single as I don't really like of the one's available.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

''Creepy'' aliens is in the eye of the beholder. Not everyone sees them in that light.

[Lucky Thirteen]

To each there own.

To me it's more like:

Kaidan: Attractive(His alliance uniform shirt was so damn tight in ME1, omfg), level headed, caring, kind, sensitive, nice, romantic, respectful guy.

Jacob: Attractive(dat ass in dat tight Cerberus uniform), outgoing, doesn't let the bad things in life get to him and looks for the positives, nice, average guy, his angst is so not an issue he'll dump Shepard if she tries to make it an issue.

Garrus: A cool looking dinosaur to me, but it's really about his personality(as it should be for all of them really), outgoing, rebellious, risk taker, humorous, wants to do the right thing and fix problems, big secret dork

Thane: Attractive humanoid features(dem biceps, dem thighs, dem pecs, plus tight outfit), suave, calm, caring, noble, polite, respectful, romantic, well-read, and friggen adorable, wtf are you people talking about:





Plus they're all real bad asses in their own ways, who like action and adventure.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:03 .

[Motherlander]

Of course this is just a personal opinion. Of course, many will disagree.

I don't see Garrus or Thane as creepy in the general sense. Only in the LI sense

[mauro2222]

Asenza wrote...

Hn, that's more of a Shepard-being-a-brick failing than anything else, or rather, the one-sidedness of the romances.

You mean Shepard being Shepard...


I don't want to use John Brick Shepard and Jane ColdSteel Shepard.

[mantis-man]

Developers should spend less time making a worthwhile game and start making their in-game characters attractive to satisfy my hunger for delicous alien penis.