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[john-in-france]

Friera: I'd agree with that. What made Thane real was his openess, backstory, and the love letter from LOTSB. It came across as an adult romance.

Maybe it is all about looking beneath the surface at personality and character, not physical appearance, though I'd say Thane was well designed....cough.

[Friera]

john-in-france wrote...

Maybe it is all about looking beneath the surface at personality and character, not physical appearance, though I'd say Thane was well designed....cough.

*cough* Well.. I agree...

Modifié par Friera, 15 janvier 2012 - 12:28 .

[Zkyire]

Armass81 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Because they're not your species?

If you don't find dogs or cats (different species from this world) physically attractive, why would you find other species from other worlds attractive?

I'm a Garrus fan, but if any human can look at, what is essentially a bipedal dinosaur and be physically aroused.. then there is something wrong with your wiring.

You're supposed to be physically attracted to your own species.

The only reason the Asari attraction can be defended is that they're basically 90% human in their appearance.

Krogan? Turians? Not at all.

Dogs and cats are vastly different from the aliens in Mass Effect; do in no small part to the fact that they're not sapient; they don't have human intelligence, culture, society, nor do they remotely posses the humanoid structure that many of the afformentioned species do. So you're comparison, with respect, doesn't compare.

And while you might not find it stimulating, there are obviously people here who do; so saying something is "wrong," with our wiring is not only rude, but presumptious. Like your theory that humans are "Supposed," to attracted to only our own species. Who says? People can be gay, despite the fact that we evolved to reproduce with our opposite genders. Does that make them wrong? And before you say that's different, (Because they're still human.) its not; its people being stimulated by something they didn't evolve to be stimulated by.

So again, there's nothing "Wrong," with being a xenophile. If its not for you, fine, but don't try telling us that its bizarre, when its no different than liking red over blue.

I think claiming that xenosexuality or xenophilia is "something wrong in our heads" or bestiality, its basically the same as claiming homosexuality is a sin or a mental disorder...

Id treat xenosexuality as homosexuality, or bisexuality, or heterosexuality. It's about preferences, not a sickness of mind. Love and companionship is great wherever you find it. Should we ever contact aliens and form coexisting societies with them you can bet xenosexuality will come out in society no matter how small minority it will be, first people treat it like homosexuality in the 40's and 50's and then it becomes accepted or ignored with time. I know it might be hard to accept or understand now, but future and changing of world views brings changes into society. That's how it always is. At least that's how I view things...

You think being attracted to walking lizards is normal.

And then say my comments are akin to saying homosexuality is a sin.

Right.

I woke up today in a good mood, ready for a proper discussion, but no, to hell with you.

[breyant]

john-in-france wrote...



How much more human looking do you want, without being, well....human? Maybe a Vulcan...ohhh, wrong series!

Oh... my...

[Ghost Warrior]

Vega?

[dragonfan21]

garrus is a cutie

[Zkyire]

john-in-france wrote...

Friera: I'd agree with that. What made Thane real was his openess, backstory, and the love letter from LOTSB. It came across as an adult romance.

Maybe it is all about looking beneath the surface at personality and character, not physical appearance, though I'd say Thane was well designed....cough.

No, see THAT I understand.

You can be drawn to a person because of their personality.

But this "Aw yeah Wrex is a hottie" thing is a bit much.

[Armass81]

Zkyire wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Because they're not your species?

If you don't find dogs or cats (different species from this world) physically attractive, why would you find other species from other worlds attractive?

I'm a Garrus fan, but if any human can look at, what is essentially a bipedal dinosaur and be physically aroused.. then there is something wrong with your wiring.

You're supposed to be physically attracted to your own species.

The only reason the Asari attraction can be defended is that they're basically 90% human in their appearance.

Krogan? Turians? Not at all.

Dogs and cats are vastly different from the aliens in Mass Effect; do in no small part to the fact that they're not sapient; they don't have human intelligence, culture, society, nor do they remotely posses the humanoid structure that many of the afformentioned species do. So you're comparison, with respect, doesn't compare.

And while you might not find it stimulating, there are obviously people here who do; so saying something is "wrong," with our wiring is not only rude, but presumptious. Like your theory that humans are "Supposed," to attracted to only our own species. Who says? People can be gay, despite the fact that we evolved to reproduce with our opposite genders. Does that make them wrong? And before you say that's different, (Because they're still human.) its not; its people being stimulated by something they didn't evolve to be stimulated by.

So again, there's nothing "Wrong," with being a xenophile. If its not for you, fine, but don't try telling us that its bizarre, when its no different than liking red over blue.

I think claiming that xenosexuality or xenophilia is "something wrong in our heads" or bestiality, its basically the same as claiming homosexuality is a sin or a mental disorder...

Id treat xenosexuality as homosexuality, or bisexuality, or heterosexuality. It's about preferences, not a sickness of mind. Love and companionship is great wherever you find it. Should we ever contact aliens and form coexisting societies with them you can bet xenosexuality will come out in society no matter how small minority it will be, first people treat it like homosexuality in the 40's and 50's and then it becomes accepted or ignored with time. I know it might be hard to accept or understand now, but future and changing of world views brings changes into society. That's how it always is. At least that's how I view things...

You think being attracted to walking lizards is normal.

And then say my comments are akin to saying homosexuality is a sin.

Right.

I woke up today in a good mood, ready for a proper discussion, but no, to hell with you.

What is "normal"?

Im not a xenosexual myself, do not think that, but I dont find it weird that humans should be attracted to aliens. I understand that some people would be like that should the society be a multispecies one, and I would not it view it as a mental disorder anymore than homosexuality is. Like I said, it's a preference.

Modifié par Armass81, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:08 .

[Russalka]

Don't people realise, that saying "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!" for something completely harmless and preferential is rather pointless?

[Dasher1010]

android654 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

In before people attracted to cartoon jellyfish instead of actual real-life human beings. Wait, damn, I'm too late.

So I'm supposed to believe that this does nothing for you?



I probably shouldn't expect to see you at any of the cult meetings then...

I've seen enough hen tai to know where this is going...

[Spoiledrotten]

(For health reasons of course, just like Samara)

Don't be silly. Everyone know that cleavage and fetish gear is a sign of authority in asari culture. Just ask Benezia.

But yeah, drell and possibly quarians fill that role.

[john-in-france]

breyant wrote...

john-in-france wrote...



How much more human looking do you want, without being, well....human? Maybe a Vulcan...ohhh, wrong series!

Oh... my...

Actor from Thane Trailer ME2....

[Armass81]

TankingTick wrote...

Really, if you ever saw an ACTUAL alien in the flesh you will be terrified sh!itless. Only reason Turians/Drell etc seem attractive to you is because they're NOT real, and have human-like qualities.

Sure maybe first time, but once you live with them for decades they become familiar to you. Take Shepard, she was born after the discover of the existance of protheans, aliens and their existance is common knowledge for any human like that from the birth. Think how differently they would view the world from us, who have not yet seen any aliens except in fiction. Think how differently we view the world than our grandparents who have probably never even entertained their toughts with anything like aliens. At least my grandparents havent.

Modifié par Armass81, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:53 .

[Raizo]

john-in-france wrote...

How much more human looking do you want, without being, well....human? Maybe a Vulcan...ohhh, wrong series!

And there in lies the problem. I'm not 100% sure what the OP is looking for but I'm sure that it is very hard to create a male alien that looks alien enough to be concidered an alien while still being attarctive enough to look like somthing every human female would be happy enough to shag romance.

For all intents and purposes I think Thane was supposed to be what the OP was looking for. I'm sorry that they did not feel as if Thane was thier type but it is kind of obvious what Bioware were aiming for when they created him. 

[john-in-france]

We are talking about an imaginary universe ME, where aliens (everyone is an alien to another race) have lived side by side for years. My Femshep finds Thane attractive for himself, not the green hotness, though having a humanlike body helps.

I personally think that any cross species relationship would start out as friendship because of the physical attraction issues - Asari attraction pheromones aside. That is where most relationships would probably sit, right in the bro zone. However who is to say that you'd never come across the perfect someone who just happened to be non-human? Character and personality counts.

As to how I'd react to a real alien, I've not met one yet, so can not say.
If you believe the statistics of Carl Sagan, SETI and NASA, somewhere out there, there are other forms of life and intelligence. However I'm not going to set my mind up to hate/love them based on their looks.

By personality alone, Garrus would have been romanced. Sadly my Femshep paragon felt guilty about taking a lover that she could kill by bodily fluids, not to mention the Turian/Quarian talk in Eternity. That would just be selfish.

Perhaps the best alien romance that never was, based on personality and fit for paragon femshep - Kal'Reegar. The talks on Haestrom, and twice at the trial of Tali, he sounded a pretty decent sort. See above for reasons against Quarian dating.

The other reason that the aliens are so popular are of course the voice actors...

[breyant]

I think people would have found Thane more attractive if he didn't have the open face gills... they are kind of gross.. wouldn't want to rub your face up against that or anything!

Modifié par breyant, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:41 .

[john-in-france]

Raizo wrote...

john-in-france wrote...

How much more human looking do you want, without being, well....human? Maybe a Vulcan...ohhh, wrong series!

And there in lies the problem. I'm not 100% sure what the OP is looking for but I'm sure that it is very hard to create a male alien that looks alien enough to be concidered an alien while still being attarctive enough to look like somthing every human female would be happy enough to shag romance.

For all intents and purposes I think Thane was supposed to be what the OP was looking for. I'm sorry that they did not feel as if Thane was thier type but it is kind of obvious what Bioware were aiming for when they created him. 

At least the original OP will get a new human romance option in ME3, which isn't bad, three choices over three games. I wonder if they stayed true to Kaidan, she never said. ( Not much shagging in the Thane love scene - just a kiss. Yes, I am a human female....last time I checked.  )

Modifié par john-in-france, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:55 .

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...
They're aliens. If you found them to be seriously attractive, I've have doubts about your mental health.

The problem here is the double standard. It's not that there aren't any attractive male aliens, it's that there are attractive female aliens (for any intents and purposes, the asari are that). No alien should be attractive to humans as a rule. There shouldn't be any blue-, green- or whatever-skinned space babes.

Asari are attractive to all Council races. It's a specific thing about them, not just a random human-specific trait thrown in.

You didn't get my point. Plausibly, there should be no interspecies attraction at all, except for a small minority of people with a certain fetish. The asari omnisexuality is ridiculous as a concept.

Note that this isn't some "condemnation" of certain preferences as people appear to suggest. On an individual basis, there's nothing wrong with being a xenophile. But from a population-oriented perspective, such people would be a small minority, because your regular alien would not have traits usually attractive to a human. Quarian and Asari morphology is so human-like that they attract people who wouldn't normally be xenophiles. And it shouldn't be.

I don't believe it's ridiculous if there's an explanation for it, such as it being deliberately engineered in some manner.

[john-in-france]

breyant wrote...

I think people would have found Thane more attractive if he didn't have the open face gills... they are kind of gross.. wouldn't want to rub your face up against that or anything!

Maybe that is where you kiss to get high? Don't make me get into the weird toad hallucinogens bit...

[android654]

Lol at people equating beastiality to xenophilia. One is abusing animals and the other usually involves dressing up and lots of role play. I find it funny that people are arguing as if there are people actively seeking out aliens for sex, and are disgusted by the fact they enjoy playing around with the idea. Sexual exploration is pretty normal when trying to find things that excite you.

Still not getting the disgust from other people who aren't into it. Did I miss a memo?

[Lucky Thirteen]

I think if people are grossed out by the romances with these characters, it's okay. Just like it's okay to not be grossed out by them. They exist because of people being different and having different tastes and preferences. I mean we've got 9 friggen romance choices across the series and they are planning to add at least one more with ME3. And if you still don't like any of them, the game still functions without Shepard romancing anyone. It's a small detail that seems to add so much to the story.

Bioware is giving us as many choices as possibly to craft Shepard and his/her story. Even though I think story wise that makes it harder for Bioware to write things having so many characters around, I appreciate the amount of choice going on.

Besides, what's a sci-fi space opera without some experimentation with the alien folk. Good or bad experimentation, cause sometimes probing isn't cool.

[android654]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Besides, what's a sci-fi space opera without some experimentation with the alien folk. Good or bad experimentation, cause sometimes probing isn't cool.

Also its practical. If there's one thing history has taugh us, its that once societies meet, they tend to have sex and reproduce with each other.

[Lucky Thirteen]

android654 wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Besides, what's a sci-fi space opera without some experimentation with the alien folk. Good or bad experimentation, cause sometimes probing isn't cool.

Also its practical. If there's one thing history has taugh us, its that once societies meet, they tend to have sex and reproduce with each other.

Now, I didn't say anything about reproducing. Mutant alien babies is the line for me.

I will always stand by this motivational.

[Asenza]

On that Thane ME2 trailer, someone commented that if Drell were real, they'd never look at humans again. o_o

That's funny!