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[firefireblow]

The Prince Zeel wrote...
With PC gamers whenever companies ****** us off we have other options. When they ****** console gamers off, you guys just take it.

I'll agre with this, because the majority of PC gamers are old veterns who have played for a while and know what to expect. While the console gamers are now majoirty new gamers, who do not care and will paly anything. While the console gamers who have been playign for a while get shut out.

[izmirtheastarach]

PC Gaming always had been a hobby. Consoles bring gaming to the mainstream. That's who they've always been designed for. To just put a disc into a console and instantly be playing a game is great. PC Gaming takes a little more work then that. Some of us are willing to put in that extra work to get the experience we want. Many are not willing or interested. That's how it's always been.

[Lambchopz]

N7Raider wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

i just love pc elitism , i think it started in the biginning of this generation of consoles when developer start to say : "**** off pc gamers , i got more money from consoles"

then pc elitists start to rage a lot, start to hate console players, go to 4chan and see for youself lol

we console players are not the ones to blame for pc gaming decline lol
only blizzard and valve are your friends now , but you all can deaal with it like a man and stop the rage

PC elitists also generally have a better idea of what a good game is, and are generally loyal gamers who have gamed for a long time, so it came as a bit of a shock to us "PC elitists" were shunned by the gaming industry since the 360.

I present the fact that the CoD series is one of the best selling titles on consoles no matter how many times it's re-released with a new name, and the fact that the majority of CoD fans are dumb, as my evidence that PC gamers are better then console gamers. Case closed.

The ONLY thing Consoles have over PCs as pure gaming machines is they are cheaper. That's literally it, if you have the money to maintain a decent gaming rig, PC over consoles any day. If you are a poor child who just wants to shoot people with your un-precise joystick controls in CoD all day, get an Xbox.

I realize that is an elitist view and probably is just going to make Console supremacists angry, but I don't particularly care. Deal with it.

Yes because a "poor" person is going to go out and spend $300 on a box that's for playing video games, clearly owning a console is an indication that you're below the poverty line.  Your CoD argument is invalid, go check the sales Black Ops and MW3 both have sold 1 million copies on PC so clearly PC gamers also play CoD, and if you think that playing CoD is an indication of a person's intelligence or a persons character than you are just a sad individual.  
As for the whole console/PC thing console games look exactly the same as PC games, the only game that looks drastically different on PC is Battlefield 3, ME3 will look exactly the same on 360/PS3 as it does on PC.  
As for you PC elitits knowing what good gaming is just because you've been playing for a long time, lol give me a break dude, games don't age well just because you've been playing since doom came out doens't mean you alone know what makes a good game

I don't know anybody who identifies as a PC gamer who believes CoD BO or MW3 are good games, where as a lot of console gamers certainly do. BF3 is an example of how much better games can be on the PC then the console if given the same development attention, so you kind of just made my point for me.

Also, most PC games give gamers the ability to customize the controls, graphics, etc far more then a console would. Many, many PC games have mod support, so that you can take the customization to a whole new level that consoles will never, ever enjoy, ME2 is a great example of that, in fact, and I'm sure ME3 will be similar in that regard.

Honestly, if you like consoles, that's fine, that's your opinion. Empirically and factually speaking, I think you can make a much better case for PC supremacy then console supremacy, speaking outside of the boundaries of personal opinion.

Also, your argument that being a veteran gamer doesn't give me a better idea of what a good game is baffles me. I've played games as far back the SNES days, and then went back to play even older systems afterwards. Realistically, I don't truly believe my word on what is a good game is law, but I think I have much more credibility on the subject then somebody who is a relatively new gamer. You are also taking this to a personal level, when it doesn't need to be. My attacks on Consoles aren't meant to insult, but if that's how you want to take it, so be it.

the only personal attack I made was about your CoD comment, I played CoD people I know play it, they/we are not dumb just because we like to play CoD on consoles.  
The only thing I said about BF3 was that it's the only game that looks significantly better on PC than on console i never once said it was better than CoD. 
My argument as to why being a vereran gamer doesn't give you a better idea as to what makes a better game is because games don't age well.  That Goldeneye 007 games is a good example, I don't when that game came out but I saw an article a while back where the writer said they loved that game when it came out but playing it again they said the mechanics didn't age well.  Do you honestly think if Doom or the first Mario Bros. came out today exactly like they were back when they first came out they still would've gotten the praise they got?  

I think you're misunderstanding my point about the vet gaming thing, and I'll get to that. The CoD vs. BF3 thing is also based on opinion, but the scope of what they wanted to do with BF3 was only truly possible on the PC, and that's why they took the route of focusing on the PC. If you are comparing console BF3 to console CoD, then I can understand. PC BF3 is certainly much more ambitious and, imo, better then any version of CoD. I'm just pointing out the possibilities of PC based development versus console development.

As for the vet gamer thing, no, I don't think that Doom or Mario are "better" games then modern games, but I think developers back then had a much different mindset then developers today. Innovative and smart development was far more important back then, then it is now. Considering the fact that they had such limited technology back then compared to now's nearly limitless gaming development mediums, I think it should be considered that some of those games are still very good and still hold water to some of our more modern games, and the way the developers of that time made their games should be looked at as well.

Also, I don't think EVERY person who likes CoD is dumb, that was hyperbole. I do think that CoD is a bad game and is the very embodiment of what's wrong with the current state of game development though, and so I often look on CoD fans with disdain. I don't think anybody should be supporting a game or developer like that.

[Marionetten]

Origin petty much makes the PC version a stillborn and I say this as a supposed PC elitist. Even if we look past the whole invasion of privacy thing having your copy connected to a useless piece of bloatware isn't particularly compelling. Origin will die and when it does don't expect EA to give you any refunds.

[AgitatedLemon]

Lambchopz wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

i just love pc elitism , i think it started in the biginning of this generation of consoles when developer start to say : "**** off pc gamers , i got more money from consoles"

then pc elitists start to rage a lot, start to hate console players, go to 4chan and see for youself lol

we console players are not the ones to blame for pc gaming decline lol
only blizzard and valve are your friends now , but you all can deaal with it like a man and stop the rage

PC elitists also generally have a better idea of what a good game is, and are generally loyal gamers who have gamed for a long time, so it came as a bit of a shock to us "PC elitists" were shunned by the gaming industry since the 360.

I present the fact that the CoD series is one of the best selling titles on consoles no matter how many times it's re-released with a new name, and the fact that the majority of CoD fans are dumb, as my evidence that PC gamers are better then console gamers. Case closed.

The ONLY thing Consoles have over PCs as pure gaming machines is they are cheaper. That's literally it, if you have the money to maintain a decent gaming rig, PC over consoles any day. If you are a poor child who just wants to shoot people with your un-precise joystick controls in CoD all day, get an Xbox.

I realize that is an elitist view and probably is just going to make Console supremacists angry, but I don't particularly care. Deal with it.

1. What's the word I'm lookin' for here? Subjectivity?

2. Wow, not only does this have zero to do with being a PC gamer, but it has zero to do with anything. At all.

3. You mean those facts that you made up all on your own? Fascinating. Let me try. Fact = If you smoke a poison dart frog, you'll urinate sprinkles!

4. Clearly your word is law, because it is now impossible to like a game/franchise without being a lesser human being.

[Lambchopz]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

i just love pc elitism , i think it started in the biginning of this generation of consoles when developer start to say : "**** off pc gamers , i got more money from consoles"

then pc elitists start to rage a lot, start to hate console players, go to 4chan and see for youself lol

we console players are not the ones to blame for pc gaming decline lol
only blizzard and valve are your friends now , but you all can deaal with it like a man and stop the rage

PC elitists also generally have a better idea of what a good game is, and are generally loyal gamers who have gamed for a long time, so it came as a bit of a shock to us "PC elitists" were shunned by the gaming industry since the 360.

I present the fact that the CoD series is one of the best selling titles on consoles no matter how many times it's re-released with a new name, and the fact that the majority of CoD fans are dumb, as my evidence that PC gamers are better then console gamers. Case closed.

The ONLY thing Consoles have over PCs as pure gaming machines is they are cheaper. That's literally it, if you have the money to maintain a decent gaming rig, PC over consoles any day. If you are a poor child who just wants to shoot people with your un-precise joystick controls in CoD all day, get an Xbox.

I realize that is an elitist view and probably is just going to make Console supremacists angry, but I don't particularly care. Deal with it.

1. What's the word I'm lookin' for here? Subjectivity?

2. Wow, not only does this have zero to do with being a PC gamer, but it has zero to do with anything. At all.

3. You mean those facts that you made up all on your own? Fascinating. Let me try. Fact = If you smoke a poison dart frog, you'll urinate sprinkles!

4. Clearly your word is law, because it is now impossible to like a game/franchise without being a lesser human being.

Calm down buddy, you clearly took that post way too seriously. A lot of that is clearly opinion, I don't honestly believe that my word is law. You are putting words in my mouth and assuming I believe things I don't believe. Welcome to the internet.

[Massefeckt]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

i just love pc elitism , i think it started in the biginning of this generation of consoles when developer start to say : "**** off pc gamers , i got more money from consoles"

then pc elitists start to rage a lot, start to hate console players, go to 4chan and see for youself lol

we console players are not the ones to blame for pc gaming decline lol
only blizzard and valve are your friends now , but you all can deaal with it like a man and stop the rage

It wasn't that long ago console gamers were complaining about PC gamers getting a better version of ME1. Plus PC gaming has been on the up recently consoles are getting old and looking ropey.

PC gaming hasn't been ruined by console gameing, gaming standards have across all platforms. When companies, sports, TV, Film or just about anything goes mainstream they tend to sacrifice quality for quantity. Theres very little innovation now it's all just rereleases with updated graphics nothing new. Thats the same for us all (I have PC,360 and PS3) we do get the same games remember very few exclusives. So you're celebrating the fact you get a lesser quality hardly making yourself look to bright there.

Modifié par Massefeckt, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:56 .

[N7Raider]

Lambchopz wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

i just love pc elitism , i think it started in the biginning of this generation of consoles when developer start to say : "**** off pc gamers , i got more money from consoles"

then pc elitists start to rage a lot, start to hate console players, go to 4chan and see for youself lol

we console players are not the ones to blame for pc gaming decline lol
only blizzard and valve are your friends now , but you all can deaal with it like a man and stop the rage

PC elitists also generally have a better idea of what a good game is, and are generally loyal gamers who have gamed for a long time, so it came as a bit of a shock to us "PC elitists" were shunned by the gaming industry since the 360.

I present the fact that the CoD series is one of the best selling titles on consoles no matter how many times it's re-released with a new name, and the fact that the majority of CoD fans are dumb, as my evidence that PC gamers are better then console gamers. Case closed.

The ONLY thing Consoles have over PCs as pure gaming machines is they are cheaper. That's literally it, if you have the money to maintain a decent gaming rig, PC over consoles any day. If you are a poor child who just wants to shoot people with your un-precise joystick controls in CoD all day, get an Xbox.

I realize that is an elitist view and probably is just going to make Console supremacists angry, but I don't particularly care. Deal with it.

Yes because a "poor" person is going to go out and spend $300 on a box that's for playing video games, clearly owning a console is an indication that you're below the poverty line.  Your CoD argument is invalid, go check the sales Black Ops and MW3 both have sold 1 million copies on PC so clearly PC gamers also play CoD, and if you think that playing CoD is an indication of a person's intelligence or a persons character than you are just a sad individual.  
As for the whole console/PC thing console games look exactly the same as PC games, the only game that looks drastically different on PC is Battlefield 3, ME3 will look exactly the same on 360/PS3 as it does on PC.  
As for you PC elitits knowing what good gaming is just because you've been playing for a long time, lol give me a break dude, games don't age well just because you've been playing since doom came out doens't mean you alone know what makes a good game

I don't know anybody who identifies as a PC gamer who believes CoD BO or MW3 are good games, where as a lot of console gamers certainly do. BF3 is an example of how much better games can be on the PC then the console if given the same development attention, so you kind of just made my point for me.

Also, most PC games give gamers the ability to customize the controls, graphics, etc far more then a console would. Many, many PC games have mod support, so that you can take the customization to a whole new level that consoles will never, ever enjoy, ME2 is a great example of that, in fact, and I'm sure ME3 will be similar in that regard.

Honestly, if you like consoles, that's fine, that's your opinion. Empirically and factually speaking, I think you can make a much better case for PC supremacy then console supremacy, speaking outside of the boundaries of personal opinion.

Also, your argument that being a veteran gamer doesn't give me a better idea of what a good game is baffles me. I've played games as far back the SNES days, and then went back to play even older systems afterwards. Realistically, I don't truly believe my word on what is a good game is law, but I think I have much more credibility on the subject then somebody who is a relatively new gamer. You are also taking this to a personal level, when it doesn't need to be. My attacks on Consoles aren't meant to insult, but if that's how you want to take it, so be it.

the only personal attack I made was about your CoD comment, I played CoD people I know play it, they/we are not dumb just because we like to play CoD on consoles.  
The only thing I said about BF3 was that it's the only game that looks significantly better on PC than on console i never once said it was better than CoD. 
My argument as to why being a vereran gamer doesn't give you a better idea as to what makes a better game is because games don't age well.  That Goldeneye 007 games is a good example, I don't when that game came out but I saw an article a while back where the writer said they loved that game when it came out but playing it again they said the mechanics didn't age well.  Do you honestly think if Doom or the first Mario Bros. came out today exactly like they were back when they first came out they still would've gotten the praise they got?  

I think you're misunderstanding my point about the vet gaming thing, and I'll get to that. The CoD vs. BF3 thing is also based on opinion, but the scope of what they wanted to do with BF3 was only truly possible on the PC, and that's why they took the route of focusing on the PC. If you are comparing console BF3 to console CoD, then I can understand. PC BF3 is certainly much more ambitious and, imo, better then any version of CoD. I'm just pointing out the possibilities of PC based development versus console development.

As for the vet gamer thing, no, I don't think that Doom or Mario are "better" games then modern games, but I think developers back then had a much different mindset then developers today. Innovative and smart development was far more important back then, then it is now. Considering the fact that they had such limited technology back then compared to now's nearly limitless gaming development mediums, I think it should be considered that some of those games are still very good and still hold water to some of our more modern games, and the way the developers of that time made their games should be looked at as well.

Also, I don't think EVERY person who likes CoD is dumb, that was hyperbole. I do think that CoD is a bad game and is the very embodiment of what's wrong with the current state of game development though, and so I often look on CoD fans with disdain. I don't think anybody should be supporting a game or developer like that.

1. I am talking about graphics, I'm not talking about anything other than visuals, graphics are often a point that PC elitists bring up and BF3 is the only game that significantly looks better on PC. 
2.That's called nostalgia, as for the mindset I'd take modern games over older games anyday.  Certain games these days have more focus on story, character and atmosphere (ME, BioShock).  I'd rather have that over emphasis on innovative development.  Don't get me wrong there should emphasis on innovative development, but I'd be more likely to rate a game a 9 or higher on metacritic if it had a good story and was atmospheric as opposed to if it was just innovative.  But that's just me so w/e.  

[raist747]

The only reason I won't buy a Console is because I'd then have to buy a TV. I haven't owned one in 10 years, and honestly its cheaper to just upgrade my gaming rig.

[izmirtheastarach]

Marionetten wrote...

Origin petty much makes the PC version a stillborn and I say this as a supposed PC elitist. Even if we look past the whole invasion of privacy thing having your copy connected to a useless piece of bloatware isn't particularly compelling. Origin will die and when it does don't expect EA to give you any refunds.

Since I already have Origin installed, that doesn't really impact me. I agree with that last part, but all you have to do to avoid that issue is not purchase it through Origin.

[RodrigoKenobi]

At least here in Brazil, there is the strong argument of price. I can buy digital copies of games for the PC (Steam or otherwise), but not for the majority of console games. The digital PC titles are about half the price of their boxed equivalents, since they have to pay import taxes, etc.

Well, I would prefer the PC regardless, 'cause of the keyboard and mouse support. I can't stand joypad control for shooters. I hate it with a fiery passion. I guess I could get used to it, like I could get used to sleeping on the floor.... but I don't want to. There is the argument of better graphics, but that doesn't apply to some games. It didn't to ME2, and without an HD texture pack, it won't for ME3 either.

[Zubie]

I prefer to game on my PC and my mass effect saves are on there too so that's obviously what I'm going with. Origin sucks but it's not that big of a deal.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Not another PC VS console war...

[RodrigoKenobi]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Not another PC VS console war...

Yeah, people get very territorial with their preferences. Don't know why. 

As far as the OP's question, I don't think he'll get much mileage out of this topic. It's a matter of personal choice really. Use both, decide which is better, stick with it. I hate joypads for shooters, but some of my friends love it. The game is the same, and that's what really matters. 

Modifié par RodrigoKenobi, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:00 .

[cactusberry]

Guys.
So there's this new thing invented called "opinions."
Amazing, right?
I remember having a Literature class in Primary school where we had to tell facts from opinions.
It was pretty easy.
"PC is better than consoles." and "Consoles are better than PCs." are opinions.
So why do you state it as if it were a fact, and pretend like it is a fact? Because it's not.
There's this really cool website that tells you how to tell the difference between facts and opinions. They use it for third graders.
http://www.st.cr.k12...and_opinion.htm

[/PC v. Console wars are dumb."Best" is what the player prefers.]

[log1x_dr4g0n]

OP, why not both? Then, if you have a friend who likes ME, they can come over and play, while you're playing.

[Elazul2k]

The only difference I care about is that PS3 and Xbox 360 don't require Origin(Hallowed are the Ori!).

I will be purchasing a copy USED so EA/Bioware make absolutely no profit off me.

[Dragoonlordz]

Elazul2k wrote...

The only difference I care about is that PS3 and Xbox 360 don't require Origin(Hallowed are the Ori!).

I will be purchasing a copy USED so EA/Bioware make absolutely no profit off me.

If you and others continue to try to turn this into an Origin issue instead of posting in the Origin thread what will happen is this thread will get locked and those trying to debate non Origin aspect will be the ones who get the door shut in their faces because of you. This thread has the risk of being closed regardless due to nature of them turning into bickering wars between console and PC and I think thats against site rules but by ranting about Origin you will hasten that demise/result.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 janvier 2012 - 09:24 .

[Feanor_II]

I preffer PC but Origin ruins it.

[Gatt9]

2.That's called nostalgia, as for the mindset I'd take modern games over older games anyday. Certain games these days have more focus on story, character and atmosphere (ME, BioShock). I'd rather have that over emphasis on innovative development. Don't get me wrong there should emphasis on innovative development, but I'd be more likely to rate a game a 9 or higher on metacritic if it had a good story and was atmospheric as opposed to if it was just innovative. But that's just me so w/e.

1. No, it's not called nostaligia. I mean seriously, today's market is about recycling the same game over and over. We're up to what? CoD 9 or 10? MS announced Halo 7 - 9, EA's on somewhere around Need for Speed 13. Battlefield 3, Deus Ex 3, Max Payne 3, Resident Evil 6, etc, etc. Game design years ago was about creating games, not about recycling them.

2. No, you wouldn't rate a game 9 or higher just because it had a good story, bad gameplay makes for bad games. The best story in the world won't save it, because you actually have to play it, and at the end of the day, gameplay is king.

3. PC Games look the same as Console games because publishers just port the code, fix the build errors, and map the buttons to keys. I guarantee you PC's can easily blow any given Console's graphics out of the water with ease, primarily because the consoles have horrible FSAA, very low memory, and can't render 1080p at 30fps. Companies migrated to console because of Piracy, Used Game sales are driving them back, especially with recent studies that showed that less than 25% of console gamers buy retail copies.

[Daeel]

There is no versus here. Consoles should spend their time attacking each other. PC is in a different league.

[Calibrationmaster]

Massefeckt wrote...

Calibrationmaster wrote...

i just love pc elitism , i think it started in the biginning of this generation of consoles when developer start to say : "**** off pc gamers , i got more money from consoles"

then pc elitists start to rage a lot, start to hate console players, go to 4chan and see for youself lol

we console players are not the ones to blame for pc gaming decline lol
only blizzard and valve are your friends now , but you all can deaal with it like a man and stop the rage

It wasn't that long ago console gamers were complaining about PC gamers getting a better version of ME1. Plus PC gaming has been on the up recently consoles are getting old and looking ropey.

PC gaming hasn't been ruined by console gameing, gaming standards have across all platforms. When companies, sports, TV, Film or just about anything goes mainstream they tend to sacrifice quality for quantity. Theres very little innovation now it's all just rereleases with updated graphics nothing new. Thats the same for us all (I have PC,360 and PS3) we do get the same games remember very few exclusives. So you're celebrating the fact you get a lesser quality hardly making yourself look to bright there.

i am not celebrating anything , i think you celebrate your pc versions way too much just because you get a  little better graphics and 20 fps more than me .

do you have more fun than me? NO

[AgitatedLemon]

Gatt9 wrote...

2.That's called nostalgia, as for the mindset I'd take modern games over older games anyday. Certain games these days have more focus on story, character and atmosphere (ME, BioShock). I'd rather have that over emphasis on innovative development. Don't get me wrong there should emphasis on innovative development, but I'd be more likely to rate a game a 9 or higher on metacritic if it had a good story and was atmospheric as opposed to if it was just innovative. But that's just me so w/e.

1. No, it's not called nostaligia. I mean seriously, today's market is about recycling the same game over and over. We're up to what? CoD 9 or 10? MS announced Halo 7 - 9, EA's on somewhere around Need for Speed 13. Battlefield 3, Deus Ex 3, Max Payne 3, Resident Evil 6, etc, etc. Game design years ago was about creating games, not about recycling them.

2. No, you wouldn't rate a game 9 or higher just because it had a good story, bad gameplay makes for bad games. The best story in the world won't save it, because you actually have to play it, and at the end of the day, gameplay is king.

3. PC Games look the same as Console games because publishers just port the code, fix the build errors, and map the buttons to keys. I guarantee you PC's can easily blow any given Console's graphics out of the water with ease, primarily because the consoles have horrible FSAA, very low memory, and can't render 1080p at 30fps. Companies migrated to console because of Piracy, Used Game sales are driving them back, especially with recent studies that showed that less than 25% of console gamers buy retail copies.

I have no real response to this, aside from "You're dumb" and "Source".

I used to have some semblance of respect for you.

[Daeel]

Calibrationmaster wrote...

i am not celebrating anything , i think you celebrate your pc versions way too much just because you get a  little better graphics and 20 fps more than me .

do you have more fun than me? NO

You bet your ass I do. Not only does my game load faster, play faster, look better, control better. I get a bunch load of free mods at my finger tips.

You know how everyone complained about the me1 elevators. I didn't! you know why? my elevator rides were like silk. There was hardly enough tim for the conversation.

Do you know why no one who plays PC complains about aim assist? because we don't have it. We already have superior aiming mechanics with mouse and keyboard and a crapload of hotkeys to boot.

Games are simply superior on PC. Spend your time arguing with the other consoles, its a losing battle elsewise.

Modifié par Daeel, 18 janvier 2012 - 03:29 .

[tetrisblock4x1]

Been gaming on PC for years now. Spent about $1000 building and upgrading my rig over 5 years, and I can say with a straight face that it hasn't cost me more than when I was a console gamer. Probably less actually considering that between lower prices in general and digital distribution sales the price of gaming has been an average of around $30 compared to the $70 (not a typo, it's because of ****ed up retailer pricing not scaling to our currency relative to the US) I have to pay for console games.