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People saying that only having female humans and quarians get screentime while over a dozen different races (I'm counting 14 right now) exist, all with males, isn't sexist are being foolish. Of course it's sexist, wouldn't you find it outrageous if we'd seen female humans, quarians, elcor, volus, batarians, krogan, rachni(?), yagh, hanar(?), salarians, vorcha and drell, but only male humans and quarians? Of course, and Fox would've probably **** a brick with some hairbrained logic because female dominance is so foreign to most humans worldwide.


But it wasn't intentional sexism. Probably. More likely subconcious. Either that or evil marketing, take your pick.

Well, we have seen both genders of rachni... :unsure:

*realizes that he has no explanation for the numerous other species mentioned*

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Reapers attacking would have alot of people running toward evacuation points so I think kids would be seen at some point.

Yeah, I know, they've already shown children models of that. I'm just saying if Shepard goes to say, omega or something.

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Well I would agree with you TC, but women have so much less testosterone and muscle it wouldn't make sense to see them off their home planet.

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CovertMcAnonymous wrote...

People saying that only having female humans and quarians get screentime while over a dozen different races (I'm counting 14 right now) exist, all with males, isn't sexist are being foolish. Of course it's sexist, wouldn't you find it outrageous if we'd seen female humans, quarians, elcor, volus, batarians, krogan, rachni(?), yagh, hanar(?), salarians, vorcha and drell, but only male humans and quarians? Of course, and Fox would've probably **** a brick with some hairbrained logic because female dominance is so foreign to most humans worldwide.


But it wasn't intentional sexism. Probably. More likely subconcious. Either that or evil marketing, take your pick.



EA controled BW is many things, sexist is definately not one of them... lazy/greedy yes but not lol sexist.   As long as I could play a male Shep and they explained why the galaxy is dominated by females only It wouldn't bother me too much (unless female humans were portrayed as phsically stronger than males).   infact I'm sure the great majority of perverted male gamers would actually prefer it... they do love the Asari so very much.

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LilyasAvalon wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Reapers attacking would have alot of people running toward evacuation points so I think kids would be seen at some point.

Yeah, I know, they've already shown children models of that. I'm just saying if Shepard goes to say, omega or something.


Not a very safe environment for children I agree, Humanity is so screwed... especially if gun laws keep going the way they are

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CovertMcAnonymous wrote...

People saying that only having female humans and quarians get screentime while over a dozen different races (I'm counting 14 right now) exist, all with males, isn't sexist are being foolish. Of course it's sexist, wouldn't you find it outrageous if we'd seen female humans, quarians, elcor, volus, batarians, krogan, rachni(?), yagh, hanar(?), salarians, vorcha and drell, but only male humans and quarians? Of course, and Fox would've probably **** a brick with some hairbrained logic because female dominance is so foreign to most humans worldwide.


But it wasn't intentional sexism. Probably. More likely subconcious. Either that or evil marketing, take your pick.

Then it's also naive and just plain paranoia to claim that the female aliens were left out of the previous games because of such MEDIEVAL thinking as 'Women don't belong in space'. Believe it or not, it IS actually as simple as 'They didn't have the money or resources to include two models for the same species'.

Batarians, drell, yagh, vorcha, elcor, volus, salarians, krogan are ALL examples of species that either do NOT have a strong role or the females are PURPOSELY rare. Salarians and Krograns have small amounts of females in their species for fertility reasons. Batarians are a closed off species. Drell and yagh are pretty much going extinct.

Hanar are based off jellyfish, which are majoritly, if not ALL, asexual. And rachni are based off ants, which are majorily female with only a few males for mating or defence.

If it was sexism, why inlcude female quarians or humans in the first place? Why give the option of FEMALE Shepard? Why bother including the writing or programing for love interests for a female Shepard?

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LilyasAvalon wrote...

CovertMcAnonymous wrote...

People saying that only having female humans and quarians get screentime while over a dozen different races (I'm counting 14 right now) exist, all with males, isn't sexist are being foolish. Of course it's sexist, wouldn't you find it outrageous if we'd seen female humans, quarians, elcor, volus, batarians, krogan, rachni(?), yagh, hanar(?), salarians, vorcha and drell, but only male humans and quarians? Of course, and Fox would've probably **** a brick with some hairbrained logic because female dominance is so foreign to most humans worldwide.


But it wasn't intentional sexism. Probably. More likely subconcious. Either that or evil marketing, take your pick.

Then it's also naive and just plain paranoia to claim that the female aliens were left out of the previous games because of such MEDIEVAL thinking as 'Women don't belong in space'. Believe it or not, it IS actually as simple as 'They didn't have the money or resources to include two models for the same species'.

Batarians, drell, yagh, vorcha, elcor, volus, salarians, krogan are ALL examples of species that either do NOT have a strong role or the females are PURPOSELY rare. Salarians and Krograns have small amounts of females in their species for fertility reasons. Batarians are a closed off species. Drell and yagh are pretty much going extinct.

Hanar are based off jellyfish, which are majoritly, if not ALL, asexual. And rachni are based off ants, which are majorily female with only a few males for mating or defence.

If it was sexism, why inlcude female quarians or humans in the first place? Why give the option of FEMALE Shepard? Why bother including the writing or programing for love interests for a female Shepard?




Did I light your hair on fire or something? Calm down.

I'm not suggesting "omg teh womenz no belong in teh space@!", but rather your exact logic; With limited resources, models were produced for males for every species, while females had much fewer, almost as an afterthought.


If they really had only the resources for one model per race in some cases, why are all races guaranteed males? Shouldn't there be some races where only a female model was made? Turians, batarians, vorcha (Who are supposed to breed like rats; All of whom we see, though, are portrayed as male), volus, elcor, salarians, krogan & drell are all races where, according to your hypothesis, they only had resources for one gender. So why did male take priority over female?


There is no race with only female gendered aliens and no male. If it really was just limited resources and complete fairness, Bioware would have said "Look, if we can only make one sex for most of our aliens, we should split it up pretty evenly." Instead, as lopsided as you can get, as the only aliens with definate females shown are Quarians (Not even sure if Rachni aren't asexual; The term "Queen" could very well just signify the leader of the hive mind, just as Asari are referred to as "her" for appearing female to humans/quarians while they're actually "it").


I'd assume they stuck with males because there'd be lots of fighting, and big, muscly male aliens are cooler than wimpy little females. Really, all of ME's aliens think like humans, except the Reapers, which are Eldritch Abominations, after all. Notice how there apparently isn't a race where females are stronger than males? Apparently Garrus is larger than female Turians (Reach, lawl), Krogan males are certainly larger, humans of course, Quarian males are taller and have more upper body strength, and I'll bet Salarian females will be scrawny even for Salarians. Batarian women would probably follow the human models, as well as Drell (Plus the Hanar chose Thane to become a tool of war, which suggests male Drell have more physical prowess. Besides that they're identical in body shape to humans, once again).

Modifié par CovertMcAnonymous, 17 janvier 2012 - 06:53 .


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Random Jerkface wrote...

Yes, mate. Sexual dimorphism in humans is obvious to humans, but saying that aliens (especially if they're sufficiently alien and not just rubber forehead grey midgets) would readily be able to distinguish human males from human females is a bit of a fantastic claim.


Wrong.  The rest of the animal kingdom can tell us apart.  Even sea creatures like dolphins know human male from female.  And, that's with some form of clothing on.  Take away the clothes and the difference becomes a bit more drastic.  And just incase 'it' doesn't have eyes it would most certainly differentiate by scent.....or even sound. 

Not a fantastic claim.......even for species of lesser intelligence than humans.

Modifié par jcainhaze, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:12 .


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Female aliens outside the kitchen dont exist.

/Sarcasm

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XDMMX wrote...

Female aliens outside the kitchen dont exist.

/Sarcasm





Apparently.



Female Turians equally in the military/C-sec, yeah, right.

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You may as well have, I get pretty pissed off easily when people start throwing around a word they barely understand.

The the reason for their being left out is NOT sexism, it's logic. It is sexism when they are purposely left out for their gender, if they are left out for their lack of need or skill, it isn't.

Majority of the settings Shepard is placed in are of that of a solider, most soliders are male. That is a simple fact, it is NOT because females are not allowed to be part of the military, it is that they are not prominent. Why waste time, money and resources you simply do not have on a model that will appear MAYBE once or twice in the game and will not have a prominent or important role? So we can have NPC batarian model A walking around with a bigger pelvis and pixelated breasts?

And no female only races my arse. What the are the asari then? Yes, reproductively speaking they are racially assexual, but assexual species would not requirethe use of extra fat storage in the way of breasts and hips. Until someone shows me a picture of what an asari looks like below the hips, it's a girl.

And it is VERY strongly hinted that rachni are majoritly female race because they are ruled by a Queen and insectoids as the only SPECIFICALLY mentioned males are the Brood Warriors.

And yes, majority of males are bigger than females. Wanna complain to someone, complain to evolution and biology. A female is designed for childbearing and raising, that's why we have bigger hips and breasts and can carry store more fat on our body than males. Males however are designed for fighting, attracting a mate, hunting and/or defending themselves and/or their offspring, hence why they have to look bigger and have MUCH more upper body strength than a girl. There are FEW exceptions to this, no matter where you look in the animal kingdom.

Salarians are based off of amphibians though, where the female is actually slightly larger than the males and I saw the demo videos and I can safely say her size is either slightly larger or equal to that of a male salarian. Females salarians also hold majority of the political power in their culture.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:31 .


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In many games:

Male slime:
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Female slime:
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Thet everything that's female has to be sexualized/fetishized irritates me and insults my intelligence.

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CovertMcAnonymous wrote...
I'm not suggesting "omg teh womenz no belong in teh space@!", but rather your exact logic; With limited resources, models were produced for males for every species, while females had much fewer, almost as an afterthought.


If they really had only the resources for one model per race in some cases, why are all races guaranteed males? Shouldn't there be some races where only a female model was made?


What about Asari? They're (for all intense and purposes) female.

And I don't think it's lazyness or anything like that. They probably couldn't decide on a design. In some way makign a female character is harder than making a male one.

Take a look at Tali - if they make her too alien, people will hate. If they make too human, people will hate.
You wouldn't have that problem with males.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:39 .


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Male Locust:

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Female Locust:

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GodWood wrote...

Male Locust:

Image IPB

Female Locust:

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Fixed. Also locust aren't aliens. 

Modifié par Doctalen, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:42 .


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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

In many games:

Male slime:
*cut*

Female slime:
*cut*

Thet everything that's female has to be sexualized/fetishized irritates me and insults my intelligence.

In majority of games, the set audience is male. Males mostly think with their penis.

I see pretty much the exact same thing with things set towards females anyway, like otome games or... *Shudder* Twilight. :sick:

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Doctalen wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Male Locust:

*cut*

Female Locust:

*cut*

Fixed. Also locust aren't aliens. 

You deserve a cookie! xD

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Doctalen wrote...
Fixed.

The Locust queen was not a female locust? 

Also locust aren't aliens. 

I never said they were but technically they are.

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GodWood wrote...

Doctalen wrote...
Fixed.

The Locust queen was not a female locust? 

Also locust aren't aliens. 

I never said they were but technically they are.

I was saying to the others in the thread because a lot of people think they are aliens it seems. They are alien but they aren't from space. They are more like mole people. No, The queen was not a female locust. She was human as far as I know. Beserkers are female locust and they breed by rape. People think the queen was Ruth http://gearsofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Ruth

Modifié par Doctalen, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:53 .


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The more you know.

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LilyasAvalon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

In many games:

Male slime:
*cut*

Female slime:
*cut*

Thet everything that's female has to be sexualized/fetishized irritates me and insults my intelligence.

In majority of games, the set audience is male. Males mostly think with their penis.

I see pretty much the exact same thing with things set towards females anyway, like otome games or... *Shudder* Twilight. :sick:


Okay, I wasn't going to say anything before but... I fell in love with your brain, hold on while I find my Salarian style genetic resume.

Edit: I asked my penis too, said he doesn't care as long as I make as many offspring as possible... 

Modifié par Last Vizard, 17 janvier 2012 - 07:56 .


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Nice one Doctalen!

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In the whole of human history as far as we know, we've had a paltry few decades of caring about gender equality, and a paltry few decades of attempting space flight.

How does this make it "unlikely" that gender politics would involve a dominant gender or genders iin any given species we meet from elsewhere in the universe?

If we were to assume anything about the probability of this from our own history - which we plainly shouldn't, but the OP does, it would be quite the opposite to what they assume.

What's an even more outlandish assumption is that there are females, like Earth females at all. To say nothing of assuming that the other 6 1/2 genders/subtypes of a given species are even sentient, or want (and are capable of or specialised towards) doing the same stuff as the first one you meet.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 17 janvier 2012 - 08:53 .


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Ah yes "female aliens". We have dismissed that claim.

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HolyAvenger wrote...

Ah yes "female aliens". We have dismissed that claim.


Rightfully so.