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[jlb524]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Asari are patently ridiculous as a race anyway,

Yes

Random Jerkface wrote... 
but I still say there had to be males at some point in their evolutionary history.

I don't know about that.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Maybe not, but I prefer to think it this way. Swallowing that a hermaphroditic species not only reproduces nervously and with any sapient species, but also evolved with perfectly compatible human sexual analogues (despite being essentially parthenogenic) causes me severe biology butthurt.

Pretty much the same reason Assassin's Creed makes me d'oh (besides the pretentiousness). Genetic memory. Hnnng.

[Robhuzz]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Hold on a moment, Revan isn't the most powerful Force User ever; that title can go to a few people:

Potential: Vader (or his pre Vader form, rather; he's just a bit weaker than Sideous in practice)
Practice: Luke Skywalker (basically same potential as Vader, but wasn't hampered by what happened to him)

After Luke, you'll have some sort of Yoda/Sideous mix up, followed usually by a mix of EU characters; I'm sure Nihlius & Starkiller are up there along with (maybe) Jacen and Kyle, I'm a bit out of the loop atm.

Off topic but I felt I had to respond to this.

If you read the book Revan then you get an idea of just how powerful the Sith Emperor really is (For example he killed a Sith Lord when he was a 6 year old boy), and Revan beats him in single combat. Revan at full power would destroy Sidious, Vader and Luke even if all 3 fought him together.

It's also very hard to compare the Sith/Jedi from the KOTOR era to those of the movies, the whole Jedi Order from the movies was weakened from not having had serious combat for 1000 years. The old order was a heck of a lot more powerful. Same goes for the Sith. Had Sidious lived in the TOR era then he would've been no more than an avarage Sith, certainly not even powerful enough to be on the Dark Council.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 16 janvier 2012 - 09:06 .

[jlb524]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Maybe not, but I prefer to think it this way. Swallowing that a hermaphroditic species not only reproduces nervously and with any sapient species, but also evolved with perfectly compatible human sexual analogues (despite being essentially parthenogenic) causes me severe biology butthurt.

Pretty much the same reason Assassin's Creed makes me d'oh (besides the pretentiousness). Genetic memory. Hnnng.

Fair enough.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Asari are patently ridiculous as a race anyway,

Yes

Random Jerkface wrote... 
but I still say there had to be males at some point in their evolutionary history.

I don't know about that.

www.masseffectsaves.com/MESS/ME2ColoringBook.pdf

Go to page 25. lol

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 16 janvier 2012 - 01:17 .

[Darth Asriel]

I would not mind if we are shown a child, at the end of the game. But Bioware wouldn't do it. The main reason being other than Liara, or the other human LIs, we don't even know if Shepard and the other races (Quarian, Drell, Turian) can have kids with Shepard. Do we even know if it's possible for our DNA to merge and create a viable and sustainable organism? It's stated outright that Asari can procreate with any species. The trade off is that the child will always be Asari, with hints of the other races genetic traits. But can a human and Quarian have a child? Or a Turian? Think about it we have never been shown even a half Quarian half Turian child, and they have more in common genetically than either has with humans.

[BlueMagitek]

darthnick427 wrote...

Yeah but Revan is still the most popular in the gaming communty and has the most interesting backstory so every one just says he's the strongest for the most part. I happen to be one of them who thinks he's the stongest.

I mean come on. We played as Revan in 2003 so we'd just like to think we played as the most badass jedi ever. 

We played as Kyle Katarn and Starkiller as well.  If we're going for most popular force sensitive that we played, it'd probably be Maarek Stele.

Robhuzz wrote...

Off topic but I felt I had to respond to this.

If
you read the book Revan then you get an idea of just how powerful the
Sith Emperor really is (For example he killed a Sith Lord when he was a 6
year old boy), and Revan beats him in single combat. Revan at full
power would destroy Sidious, Vader and Luke even if all 3 fought him
together.

It's also very hard to compare the Sith/Jedi from the
KOTOR era to those of the movies, the whole Jedi Order from the movies
was weakened from not having had serious combat for 1000 years. The old
order was a heck of a lot more powerful. Same goes for the Sith. Had
Sidious lived in the TOR era then he would've been no more than an
avarage Sith, certainly not even powerful enough to be on the Dark
Council.

First off, the Jedi Order in the movies is much stronger than it was in the Old(er) Republic, because the Old Republic of KotOR & the Old Republic of the films are one in the same.  And it only gets stronger when Luke reforms the New Order.  Mace Windu reformed the old, broken style of Juyo into Vaapad. 

Palpatine would demolish Revan so hard it isn't even funny. 
Palpatine created a wormhole with the force. He's a complete master of
Force Storm.  He defeated Luke (holder of Strongest Force User ever
title) in a lightsaber fight.  Granted, Luke went on to get stronger later.  Go ahead and send the rest of the Sith Empire; Palpatine still has to enforce the Rule of Two.

Or we can have apprentice vs. apprentice.  Luke is going to murder Malak (and then the rest of the Sith Empire), but if that's what you want to do we can do it. =D

[Blze001]

I fail to see what Revan vs Sidious has anything to do with Shepard and Liara....

Modifié par Blze001, 16 janvier 2012 - 04:52 .

[naledgeborn]

Revan >>> Star Wars.

[Dariustwinblade]

Star Killer>>Revan

[CrutchCricket]

Darth freakin Bane.
Although to be fair, Bane did need Revan to show him the way.

Also thumbs up to original topic.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 16 janvier 2012 - 05:28 .

[Darth Asriel]

I hate to say it, but Revan would embarrass Luke. While Luke's potential was great he suffered from an overall lackof training. Consider: Looking at Revan was like staring into the heart of the Force. Revan was a master tactician, he was trained in proper use of a light saber. Because of his fall and redemption as well as his being the Sithari he had a master level of both light and dark side techniques. Luke while powerful was never all that bright where strategy was involved. He learnedhow to use a light saber from a old man. He fought a half cyborg (who wasn't rely put tougher all that well) and he really wasn't better then! He only beat Vader when he gave into his hate and tapped into the dark side of the force in a way that Vader no longer could.

As far as Revan v Sidious. That's a tough one. Sidious was beaten in a duel by Mace Windu. I
Not sure where Revan ranks as a duelist. That aspect depends on if he was on par with Windu. As far as force mastery I think it would be close. Again Revan had access to both light and dark powers. So it would be closer than most would think.

[CrutchCricket]

Revan wasn't the Sith'ari. Darth Bane was. Still Bane achieved his destiny because he learned from Revan's Holocron. So Revan helped bring about the Sith'ari. But he himself was not it.

Honestly the Sith of the Old Republic did all sorts of crazy sh!t with the Force that modern Sith (i.e. after Battle of Yavin) couldn't even touch. Consider:

Naga Sadow: Supernova'd a star (or was it two?) with the Force
Darth Andeddu: Essence transfer (creator). Palpatine tried it but failed each time
Darth Revan: Already mentioned
Darth Scion: Literally gave everyone the finger by refusing to die. You had to convince the motherf*cker to give up and die already.
Darth Nihlus: Was literally a hole in the Force
Whoever created the thought bomb: The thought bomb.

The list goes on.

Though in defence of modern Sith, their strategy was entirely different. The Rule of Two emphasised victory through treachery and cunning. So Sith after Bane couldn't really go around blowing up stars and eating the Force. Once Palpatine took over the galaxy though, he should've gone back to learning how to do all that since he didn't have to hide anymore. Instead of you know, just decrepifying. Vader was obviously limited by his cybernetics.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:44 .

[Darth Asriel]

I always thought Revan was the Sithari because they say that he never really fell to the Darkside. That he was neiher a slave to he light or the dark. But I may be remembering it wrong. I have not read the Darth Bane books. I've heard great things though. Wish the Revan book had been as good.

[CrutchCricket]

Darth Asriel wrote...

I always thought Revan was the Sithari because they say that he never really fell to the Darkside. That he was neiher a slave to he light or the dark. But I may be remembering it wrong. I have not read the Darth Bane books. I've heard great things though. Wish the Revan book had been as good.

The Sith'ari was supposed to be the perfect Sith that would destroy the Sith but in doing so make them even stronger. That's what Darth Bane did. It was their version of the Chosen One. Since it was a Sith prophecy they wouldn't sweat a balance of light and dark much. Ironically the light side Chosen One did much the same. Anakin destroyed the Jedi and they arose (arguably) stronger than ever. But he needed his son to help him.

I highly recommend the Darth Bane books. In my opinion Bane truly is the ultimate Sith and he embodies everything the Sith philosophy is. You say the Revan book isn't good though? I thought they were all written by Karpyshyn.

[Darth Asriel]

He wrote it but it is not on par with KOTOR or from what I hear Darth Bane. Revan is really a side character. It really focuses on the new/old Sith Lord.

[BlueMagitek]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Revan wasn't the Sith'ari. Darth Bane was. Still Bane achieved his destiny because he learned from Revan's Holocron. So Revan helped bring about the Sith'ari. But he himself was not it.

Honestly the Sith of the Old Republic did all sorts of crazy sh!t with the Force that modern Sith (i.e. after Battle of Yavin) couldn't even touch. Consider:

Naga Sadow: Supernova'd a star (or was it two?) with the Force
Darth Andeddu: Essence transfer (creator). Palpatine tried it but failed each time
Darth Revan: Already mentioned
Darth Scion: Literally gave everyone the finger by refusing to die. You had to convince the motherf*cker to give up and die already.
Darth Nihlus: Was literally a hole in the Force
Whoever created the thought bomb: The thought bomb.

The list goes on.

Though in defence of modern Sith, their strategy was entirely different. The Rule of Two emphasised victory through treachery and cunning. So Sith after Bane couldn't really go around blowing up stars and eating the Force. Once Palpatine took over the galaxy though, he should've gone back to learning how to do all that since he didn't have to hide anymore. Instead of you know, just decrepifying. Vader was obviously limited by his cybernetics.

Palpatine can rip wormholes into existence with a Force Storm, has essense transfer, which only didn't work because:

1) His power was too great for the cloned bodies to hold
2) Subordinates betrayed him
3)  He is only held in death because every Jedi to have ever existed (and is currently dead) is lending their power to keeping him there.
4) He could do it to other people with no problem.

Sion was weak and only managed that because, as he said, he was in a world very strong in the Dark Side and just absorbed what he could from there.  And believe me, I know, the game glitched and I fought against a Sion that had completely maxed out stats. ~_~

Nihlius was a slave to his hunger, but sure, I'll give you Nihlius as being a major power though; only his unique nature.

Oh, and Palpatine was constantly keeping an entire planet under a Force Drain, is a master at Sith Alchemy and was more successful than every other Sith in existence.  His death weakened the Dark Side of the Force.

Darth Asriel wrote...

I hate to say it, but Revan would
embarrass Luke. While Luke's potential was great he suffered from an
overall lackof training. Consider: Looking at Revan was like staring
into the heart of the Force. Revan was a master tactician, he was
trained in proper use of a light saber. Because of his fall and
redemption as well as his being the Sithari he had a master level of
both light and dark side techniques. Luke while powerful was never all
that bright where strategy was involved. He learnedhow to use a light
saber from a old man. He fought a half cyborg (who wasn't rely put
tougher all that well) and he really wasn't better then! He only beat
Vader when he gave into his hate and tapped into the dark side of the
force in a way that Vader no longer could.

As far as Revan v Sidious. That's a tough one. Sidious was beaten in a duel by Mace Windu. I

Not sure where Revan ranks as a duelist. That aspect depends on if he
was on par with Windu. As far as force mastery I think it would be
close. Again Revan had access to both light and dark powers. So it would
be closer than most would think.

You guys are pretty bad on Star Wars. '

...wow, you have no idea how powerful Luke is.  He's quite literally the most powerful Force User in Star Wars, bar none.   Seriously, go look it up for yourself; I'd break the character limit too many times if I tried to type it all out. 

Windu is a much better duelist than Revan as a master of all styles and inventer of Vaapad.   Revan had no where near that skill.

[darthnick427]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Star Killer>>Revan

sorry but this is so false that it can't be put in words. Star Killer isn't even in the same league as Revan and the force users of old. get him out of here

[darthnick427]

So yeah Revan is the best we all love him and he is the strongest ever in my book. anyways back on topic everyone!

[CrutchCricket]

BlueMagitek wrote...
Palpatine can rip wormholes into existence with a Force Storm, has essense transfer, which only didn't work because:

1) His power was too great for the cloned bodies to hold
2) Subordinates betrayed him
3)  He is only held in death because every Jedi to have ever existed (and is currently dead) is lending their power to keeping him there.
4) He could do it to other people with no problem.

...

Oh, and Palpatine was constantly keeping an entire planet under a Force Drain, is a master at Sith Alchemy and was more successful than every other Sith in existence.  His death weakened the Dark Side of the Force.

While I admit I'm not an expert in Palpatine post Return of the Jedi I know enough that a lot of this, especially the bit about the clones, essence transfer and his death is open to debate (i.e. were the clones really the true Palpatine or did they just think they were?). I have no problem admitting he was one of the most powerful Sith Lords. He just wasn't so upfront about it.

Anyway while I consider Darth Bane to be the perfect embodiment of what a Sith should be I also consider Palpatine one of the few pure embodiments of evil I have ever seen.

[BlueMagitek]

CrutchCricket wrote...

While I admit I'm not an expert in Palpatine post Return of the Jedi I know enough that a lot of this, especially the bit about the clones, essence transfer and his death is open to debate (i.e. were the clones really the true Palpatine or did they just think they were?). I have no problem admitting he was one of the most powerful Sith Lords. He just wasn't so upfront about it.

Anyway while I consider Darth Bane to be the perfect embodiment of what a Sith should be I also consider Palpatine one of the few pure embodiments of evil I have ever seen.

Neither am I. ~_^

Go look up Dark Empire.

He had mastered essence transfer; he used it to keep the soul of the guy who designed the flaw in the original Death Star alive by switching it into cloned bodies every time he had him tortured to death.  As for the clones, that idea really comes from that entire Luuke debacle.

Darthnick, the Jedi & Sith of Old, while powerful, are weaker than their new counterparts.  That's just the way it is.

[darthnick427]

BlueMagitek wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

While I admit I'm not an expert in Palpatine post Return of the Jedi I know enough that a lot of this, especially the bit about the clones, essence transfer and his death is open to debate (i.e. were the clones really the true Palpatine or did they just think they were?). I have no problem admitting he was one of the most powerful Sith Lords. He just wasn't so upfront about it.

Anyway while I consider Darth Bane to be the perfect embodiment of what a Sith should be I also consider Palpatine one of the few pure embodiments of evil I have ever seen.

Neither am I. ~_^

Go look up Dark Empire.

He had mastered essence transfer; he used it to keep the soul of the guy who designed the flaw in the original Death Star alive by switching it into cloned bodies every time he had him tortured to death.  As for the clones, that idea really comes from that entire Luuke debacle.

Darthnick, the Jedi & Sith of Old, while powerful, are weaker than their new counterparts.  That's just the way it is.

I respectfully disagree. The old republic had far more powerful jedi and sith as a whole imo To name a few: Revan, Meetra Surik, Bastila, Malak, Malgus, Scourage, Bane, Jolee, Nihilus, Sion, Traya, The True Sith Emperor, Satele, Vandar, Kavar, the "Lost Jedi" (Meetra's companions turn Jedi) and many more. The new counterparts in the "Rise of Darth Vader era" as a whole weren't as powerful there were only a small few individuals with amazing potential and power that was leagues above the rest such as  Sidious, Yoda, Windu, Obi, Luke, Vader. Other than that I think the Old Republic Era was more impressive. It is probably just my bias towards the Old Republic Era that I believe this, since the Old republic's story is SOOOO much better imo tbh. I as well count Sidious among the strongest sith lords ever but to me the old republic era has always been more impressive than the characters of the movies.

Modifié par darthnick427, 17 janvier 2012 - 12:27 .

[BlueMagitek]

I can tell that you haven't really looked at the New Jedi Order, suffice to say there are many, many more Jedi & Sith who are a cut above the rest. Especially when you include more common Jedi like the Exile's companions.

[darthnick427]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I can tell that you haven't really looked at the New Jedi Order, suffice to say there are many, many more Jedi & Sith who are a cut above the rest. Especially when you include more common Jedi like the Exile's companions.

well then I just like the characters and time period of the Old Republic better then