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[Bookman230]

 Speaking as a player who always roleplays as a nonbeliver, I think The Maker ending up being real in story wouldn't be that bad, and may even be an interesting development if handled right. The key would be not turning the PC into an automatic lover of the being at sight.  Instead, allow the choices to be beliving and joyous("I knew you were real!"if you played as a beliver of course) disebeliving("Impossible! You're obviously just a Faith spirit!" this PC could just use various logical possibilities to try and sustain his belief that The Maker is fake) or rude(You're real? So what? doesn't mean I like you" this character would accept he's real, but still hate him and badmouth him).

If the character, whether it be Hawke or the Warden or a new PC) accepts him as real, that doesn't mean they'll be nice. Allow options to bring up things like the anti-mage or humans above others beliefs of the Chantry and possibly him. Call him out on leaving his children, the people of Theadas, to fester and boil instead of fixing his mistake and making them better. Basically, if the Maker or any other god turns out to be real, allow the Atheist PC to become a Dystheist(The Maker is lazy) or a Maltheist(The Maker is evil).

I, for one, would think it to be a interesting development and honestly a bit fun. What do you guys think? 

[Chun Hei]

If someone called The Maker did show up I would guess he would be presented in such a way that the player could just head canon him being some powerful entity that is assuming the mantle of The Maker. Kind of like that alien that pretended to be God in that one Star Trek movie were they went to the center of the galaxy.

[Ponendus]

The Maker being real could open up a whole world of interesting roleplay, believers and non-believers alike. Sounds like a good idea to me, what form would the maker take?

[Ferretinabun]

It's certainly an idea with potential. Although a heavily loaded one too. It would immediately throw up questions such as 'If the Maker's real, why doesn't He fix everything that's wrong in the world' etc. Pretty soon we're dealing with issues and theology a touch too complex for your average video game, I feel...

[Ponendus]

Ferretinabun wrote...

It's certainly an idea with potential. Although a heavily loaded one too. It would immediately throw up questions such as 'If the Maker's real, why doesn't He fix everything that's wrong in the world' etc. Pretty soon we're dealing with issues and theology a touch too complex for your average video game, I feel...

Or the Maker could be corrupt and evil and not want to fix the worlds problems. Oooooh controversy... the Maker as a boss fight?

[Abispa]

What would be interesting was if The Maker DID exist and he was EXACTLY as The Chantry describes him. That could place the player in a difficult position where doing the "right thing" may mean going against the will of "God" himself. Shades of Mark Twain's "Letters from the Earth" or Harlan Ellison's "Deathbird Stories."

[thats1evildude]

My own belief is that the Maker exists in the game world, but he doesn't quite match the loving but aloof god of Chantry belief.

When he rises, everyone will see.

[whykikyouwhy]

Ponendus wrote...

The Maker being real could open up a whole world of interesting roleplay, believers and non-believers alike. Sounds like a good idea to me, what form would the maker take?

I think that would be the key element...but not only what form, what sort of grand (or not grand) entrance would (s)he make? What would (s)he do to designate his/herself as "the Maker?"

It might be rather easy for the PC to regard any ultra-powerful being as yet another archdemon, spirit host, primeval entity, ancient creature, etc.

Of course, if/when the Maker makes an appearance, there could be some battle between him/her and another divine being, which could provoke awe, fear, wonder, etc. - or...Sandal's prophecy is as I have suspected, and the Maker is package name for a piñata, filled with all manner of godly creatures.

[Gervaise]

I have to admit I'd be interested to know how atheistic character came to their conclusions. After all an atheist doesn't believe in any gods, so in terms of the Thedas world, how do they imagine it came into existance? The elves and humans have a belief about creator deities. The modern dwarves do not believe their actions are governed by a deity but seem to have some sort of ancestor worship - I'm not sure of what their beliefs are regarding creation. I'm not clear what the Qun's view on the matter is - do they not believe in any sort of creative force outside of the physical world or do they just feel that it is separate from the moral codes of mortals?

So if you did suddenly have the Maker put in a definite appearance, there are going to be a great number of different reactions depending on your race and current beliefs. However, once he had put in an appearance, you would have to pretty brave or foolhardy to reject him, since an all powerful creator god is not going to put himself into a position where he could even remotely be in danger. Hence, if the Maker did ever inhabit that area of the Fade now known as the Black City, he got out well before the Magisters ever put foot into it.

[Vincent Laww]

If the Maker did make an appearance it would be too crude. I prefer a subtle touch over an outright declaration stating the Maker is indeed real. It would be better if his presence was vaguely confirmed through miracles, or more subtle elements. I don't believe it is necessary for a deity to make an appeance. Sort of draws away from the gamer's own deductions, or intrepeted beliefs.

[Gunderic]

BioWare is too safe for anything of the sort. I would have loved to play as a Warden with an advanced 'Darkspawn taint' condition too. Every hero role BioWare has done recently though was extremely safe (nothing like the Nameless One, or even a certain mutant with an unnaturally long lifespan), mirroring, I think, the rest of their games.

edit: This is actually one of my biggest complaints with BioWare now. No imagination. All-human protagonists, with bland backgrounds that lack a compelling roleplaying hook. Nothing like The Nameless One from Planescape: Torment, or Vampire: Bloodlines where you can be a frickin' vampire, a Nosferatu even (+++ awesomeness points). 

Heck, they even removed the classICAL fantasy races. Absolutely unforgivable. We went from playing as orcs, elves, humans, gnomes, and halflings to dwarves, elves, and humans to humans only. Good job, BioWare. Thanks, Mr. Laidlaw, it's so much easier to relate to idiot characters that are wholly incapable of saying or doing the obvious in any given situation so as to prevent bad things from happening.

Modifié par Gunderic, 15 janvier 2012 - 05:22 .

[Plaintiff]

Meh. Gods always turn out to be real in fantasy worlds. I don't think it would be very interesting at all. The fact that the Dragon Age games leave the question open is one of the more interesting things about them.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 15 janvier 2012 - 08:01 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Well, DA has gone and confirmed other religious deities in the DA universe to be real. The Archdemons are confirmed to be corrupted Tevinter Old Gods, and there is allusions to "The Stone", the dwarves closest thing to a deity, to being an actual being.

And in regards to people thinking the Maker is portrayed by the Chantry as a "loving god" I don't see where they are coming up with this. In Chantry lore, he's still ticked off, centuries later, that people worshiped other gods. And he's totally fine with punishing the world with the darkspawn corruption and blights, which could very easily destroy the world.

It sounds like he's a bit of a d!ck, to me.

[Zkyire]

Well, The Maker doesn't neccessarily have to be a deity.

He could simply be from a technologically advanced species who terraformed Thedas, and seeded life there.

The "Golden City" could have been a space station in orbit for all we know.

[Fast Jimmy]

Yep. And then civilizations in Thedas would develop along set courses, according to its needs.

And then the Maker would say "You exist because we allow it, and you will end because we demand it."

[Abispa]

EDIT: Sorry, left my computer open to a smart ass. This thread has been pretty mature so far and I'd hate the ruin it.

Modifié par Abispa, 16 janvier 2012 - 02:00 .

[Nemesis Shield]

Gunderic wrote...

Heck, they even removed the classICAL fantasy races. Absolutely unforgivable. We went from playing as orcs, elves, humans, gnomes, and halflings to dwarves, elves, and humans to humans only.

This is off-topic from the original post, but here goes anyway:

Personally (speaking only for myself here), I kinda like that Bioware opted to only use a few of the classical fantasy races. I always felt that other universes (such as DnD's Forgotten Realms) had lots and lots of races but with little to distinguish one from another. What I really like about DA is that the humans, elves, and dwarves do not only look different physically, but that they also have distinct cultures, histories, religions, etc. I strongly prefer quality over quantity.

And, of course, let's not forget that Bioware also created completely new and unique races for DA: the darkspawn and the kossith. While it might be argued that the darkspawn bear some similarity to classical fantasy orcs (since they are both the standard, default "bad guys") and that the kossith are similar to DnD's tieflings because of their horns (albeit giant tieflings), I believe that Bioware has put a lot of time and effort into making both races distinct and fresh for the DA universe.

As for Bioware not allowing us to roleplay as more unique characters, I think that an important limitation is that each DA game should build on what came before. So, Hawke in DA2 is from the village of Lothering in Ferelden because we visited that exact location previously in DAO. If Bioware had made Hawke into a former Tevinter magister that had converted to the Qun and was now living in Par Vollen, a lot of people would complain about the disconnect between the two games. Bioware is trying to tell a continuous narrative with the DA series, and so it works to the story's advantage to have the games be strongly connected. This is different from, say, Bethesda's Elder Scrolls games, which jump around wildly in both space and time and are only barely connected one to another.

Anyway, these are just my opinions.

[Vincent Laww]

The Old Gods are at least tangible, plus they're lesser deities. The Maker is suppose to be the grand source of life, his appearance would be resplendent; blinding all those that gaze upon him. You think he would be indecipherable to mortal eyes.

Modifié par Vincent Laww, 16 janvier 2012 - 03:07 .

[HiroVoid]

Zkyire wrote...

Well, The Maker doesn't neccessarily have to be a deity.

He could simply be from a technologically advanced species who terraformed Thedas, and seeded life there.

The "Golden City" could have been a space station in orbit for all we know.

The moment they start introducing sci-fi concepts to Dragon Age is the moment I stop caring about the Dragon Age franchise.  In fact, why not stop there?  Why not make the entire universe actually exist as a video game universe in a video game universe like a certain other game did?

[esper]

I am tired of any deity in fantasy setting automatically existing. I do not want to meet the Maker or have his existence been proven/disproven. Let the religion be a religion this time, thank you.

[Augustei]

It would be cool if they revealed the maker is real, but he was really Fen'Harel the dread wolf of the elven pantheon who convinced mankind to worship him when he trapped his fellow gods in their respective realms making him the only remaining one..Then have us release the other gods and prepare to fight Fen'Harel who could be made out as the main big bad antagonist to fight at the very end of the series whenever that is

[Shelondias]

The maker is actually Yevon. Ferelden was a dream and so are YOU.