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[WotanAnubis]

I don't want the Maker to be real. I want the Dalish Creators to be real.

Because it would be funny.

But seriously, if some divinity (besides all those dragons) were to show up, I'd restrict it to Fen'Harel. Because with him, at least, you can't be sure if he's actually divine or just some kind of Fade Spirit/Demon messing with you.

[SiIencE]

Hmm i play an 'atheist' (am irl) character but knowing 'the maker' exists and believing 'the maker' exists are 2 different things. And after doing that 'sacred urn' quest i kinda think he exists but that doesn't make me a 'believer'. I mean there's demons/spirits etc, why couldn't a 'god' exist? That Guardian has been around there for centuries also (and i killed him ) i mean if i'd take a 'vow' to protect someones remains i'd live forever? I'd make that vow this minute.

Doesn't that old god 'Dumat' (or something?) also exist still (offering in Legacy) i mean you hear a voice and stuff.

But no i don't think introducing more 'randomness' into the DA series would do it any good, leave the gods out of this i purely see the Chantry as free money.

[Karlone123]

I usually like the balance of making it out the Maker exists and hints that he is a derelict god.

[ImperialHeir]

I think I'd ask him a couple of questions.
DA3 Hero: Why the hell did you potentially cause death and destruction and opression for Mages and the Blight all because you decided one day you wanted to bang Andraste?
Maker: Ummm...

*The Maker then disappears through a giant plot hole.*

[Swordfishtrombone]

The appearance of the maker would probably end up totally castrating him - there'd be a danger of the same player reaction that a certain ghostly brat in me3 got. If you have a hugely powerful and mysterious character in a game, a character that's supposed to have all the answers, then it's most probably better to leave them mysterious.

I think that in the DA universe, the maker, or something like that, may indeed exists - the hypothesis is made more likely by the demonstrable presense of magic, the power of Andraste's ashes, and the presense of the fade with all it's demons and spirits. The DA universe is undeniably infused with the supernatural, so were I to live in the DA universe, I'd be less likely to be an atheist.

Aside from possibly the ashes, the maker doesn't seem to interact much with the world.

[Evil_Jashinist]

I think it would be rather interesting to have a chat with the Maker, if he existed. Or maybe the old elven gods? Hell, actually speaking to one of the Old Gods would be ridiculously awesome.

[Dave of Canada]

This isn't the Forgotten Realms, it's about faith and more than mere worship.

[andocrack]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

The appearance of the maker would probably end up totally castrating him - there'd be a danger of the same player reaction that a certain ghostly brat in me3 got. If you have a hugely powerful and mysterious character in a game, a character that's supposed to have all the answers, then it's most probably better to leave them mysterious.

What I was going to say. Omnipotent entity = powerless character. Screw that. And on the opposite end, defying that entity should have clear and unavoidable consequences. In my opinion, it's just better to leave them out.

[The Hierophant]

Filament wrote...

I want a world serpent.

Do you mean like Jormungandr? 

[poopville]

SANDAL IS THE MAKER!

[TEWR]

The Maker is more then likely real. The Dalish pantheon is real. The Stone is alive. The Old Gods are real, obviously.

No one religion in Thedas is correct, it seems. It seems that all of them are true.... and yet none of them are.

Frankly, I don't want the Maker to show up in some cheesy fashion just for the sake of being the actual "A God am I". I'd rather it be left ambiguous as to whether he exists. Faith is -- from how I've viewed the concept -- about believing in something that you hold to be true, not believing in something because you know it is true.

Showing the Maker as being definitely real is doing little more then saying "And now everyone will bask in his glory! Bask.... bask.... BAAAASSSK!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So hopefully, we won't actually have a "Look, up in the sky! It's a bird, it's a dragon, no... it's THE MAKER!!!" moment.

Keep him out of the limelight, but leave enough things around to stir up debates on his existence.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 29 mai 2012 - 07:16 .

[The Hierophant]

Filament wrote...

Yes, like the one from Norse mythology.

It just occurred to me that it would be kind of neat after the whole "dragons blood is the blood of the world" supposedly from the comic.

Can you imagine how epic it would be if the maker is a dragon god. I'm calling it now, the maker is a cthulhu like dragon god who dreams the fade, and Andraste was one of his human avatars on Thedas.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 29 mai 2012 - 07:10 .

[Emzamination]

Anyone who completed the sacred ashes quest and still doubts the maker's existence has all their stone sense intact.

[ImperialHeir]

Emzamination wrote...

Anyone who completed the sacred ashes quest and still doubts the maker's existence has all their stone sense intact.

If you've ever brought Oghren, you'd know it's just lyrium in the mountain causing the ashes to have special powers. And how dare you question my stone sense, you greased nug!

[brushyourteeth]

If the Chantry is right, we won't be seeing the Maker again until the Chant reaches every corner of the world (or maybe just Thedas? Does the Chantry even recognize a world outside of Thedas?).

That most likely means he won't be showing up until the Qunari have had their backsides handed to them. And that will happen probably never.

**EDIT** Because I never actually answered the OP's question.

Yes, I think it would be incredibly interesting to find out that the Maker is real (even more so if he's actually what the Chantry says he is - an all powerful, generally benign and singularly unique god who created everything and could destroy every other contender for the title). I really really enjoyed watching Anders' crisis of faith in his own dismissal of the Chantry's views in the Legacy DLC. As a former Andrastian who wanted so badly to excuse his beliefs/actions against the Chantry, he wanted to disbelieve in the Maker in order to not be accountable to anyone for his actions, but Corypheus' very existence and testimony proved that too much of the Chantry's story was true for Anders to be comfortable dismissing it.

I find the possibility of universal truth and/or a power that alone understands or determines that truth to be really interesting. Especially in a world like Thedas where, unlike the place we live today "open mindedness" about the supernatural doesn't seem to be much of an issue.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 30 mai 2012 - 05:35 .

[Urzon]

The Hierophant wrote...
Can you imagine how epic it would be if the maker is a dragon god. I'm calling it now, the maker is a cthulhu like dragon god who dreams the fade, and Andraste was one of his human avatars on Thedas.

So, the only person he thought was fit to marry him was himself? Talk about a narcissistic personality. Though to be fair, that would describe alot of gods/goddesses.

[brushyourteeth]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Urzon wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...
Can you imagine how epic it would be if the maker is a dragon god. I'm calling it now, the maker is a cthulhu like dragon god who dreams the fade, and Andraste was one of his human avatars on Thedas.

So, the only person he thought was fit to marry him was himself? Talk about a narcissistic personality. Though to be fair, that would describe alot of gods/goddesses.

Actually, it makes sense...Kolgrim say the High Dragon is Andraste

Yeah, but the Guardian who actually knows Andraste says it's not.
Not that that disproves the Hierophant's theory at all. Just that the dragon cult isn't solid evidence.

[Reznore57]

Yeah "the chant of light".
I know something else that sings Archdemons and lyrium.
Oh I'm re reading the Calling , The Architect says that darkspawn are attract to Archdemon because it's the only way for them to touch "the light" (the taint being the darkness that corrupt.)
And Corypheus in MOTA says i will "Reach the Light!"
I'm not so sure the maker is a nice guy.

The Old god also sing a sour song of light ...

[TEWR]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Urzon wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...
Can you imagine how epic it would be if the maker is a dragon god. I'm calling it now, the maker is a cthulhu like dragon god who dreams the fade, and Andraste was one of his human avatars on Thedas.

So, the only person he thought was fit to marry him was himself? Talk about a narcissistic personality. Though to be fair, that would describe alot of gods/goddesses.

Actually, it makes sense...Kolgrim say the High Dragon is Andraste

And Kolgrim's a Reaver, who are known to be bat**** insane due to drinking Dragon's blood. And the Guardian, who knew Andraste, says the High Dragon isn't Andraste.

Filament wrote...

Well, there's also the theory that Andraste is one of the reborn old gods (Dumat)... and the old gods are dragons.

This. I don't know how many times I've mentioned in various threads that I think Andraste is the Old God Baby of the first Archdemon -- we are told it was Dumat, but what we were told could be wrong after all -- and was a Somniari Blood Mage.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 mai 2012 - 06:31 .

[brushyourteeth]

Filament wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Yeah, but the Guardian who actually knows Andraste says it's not.
Not that that disproves the Hierophant's theory at all. Just that the dragon cult isn't solid evidence.

Well, there's also the theory that Andraste is one of the reborn old gods (Dumat)... and the old gods are dragons.

I'm with that theory 100%. Though if she's Dumat, she must have a real sense of humor about the whole "silence" thing.

There are some awesome theories about Flemeth, but regardless of what she actually is, it's definitely her goal to liberate the old gods, and it really looks like she keeps a daughter handy just in case there's a blight and the old god needs a vessel. I honestly think Flemeth could be Zazikel, the old god of chaos (it would suit her great). At this point who knows how many liberated old gods are out there and we just don't know about them?

All it probably took was a pregnant Grey Warden to figure out what would happen to the old god's soul if it had a proper human vessel. I really think that would have been the best lie for Alistair to tell the Wardens if you played a female character - "Well, she was pregnant, but the archdemon went into the baby and she miscarried. Very sad, but that's why we're all alive."

I really like the idea that Andraste is physically and spiritually related to Flemeth, and I'm not even sure why. Because the Maker could still be real, and just not really care what the humans/elves/dwarves/kossith believe about his personal life? LOL

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 30 mai 2012 - 06:46 .