It would also be really interesting if the Maker turned out not to be real for a religious character. What's your point?
Does anyone else think that The Maker being real would be an interesting development for an Atheist character?
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 03:23
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Can you imagine how epic it would be if the maker is a dragon god. I'm calling it now, the maker is a cthulhu like dragon god who dreams the fade, and Andraste was one of his human avatars on Thedas.
So, the only person he thought was fit to marry him was himself? Talk about a narcissistic personality. Though to be fair, that would describe alot of gods/goddesses.
Actually, it makes sense...Kolgrim say the High Dragon is Andraste
And Kolgrim's a Reaver, who are known to be bat**** insane due to drinking Dragon's blood. And the Guardian, who knew Andraste, says the High Dragon isn't Andraste.
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And Morrigan say the Guardian is a spirit and the Guardian is shocked by the presence of Morrigan. As we know Morrigan can detect any spirit even in the Fade
Maybe the Fade spirit who want to trick nyou into believing the dragon is not Andraste?
Maybe Kolgrim is not insane, it is just his character is like that. He is willingly to engage diplomatic with the Warden makes him not insane like he seems to be.
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 05:53
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And Morrigan say the Guardian is a spirit and the Guardian is shocked by the presence of Morrigan. As we know Morrigan can detect any spirit even in the Fade
Maybe the Fade spirit who want to trick nyou into believing the dragon is not Andraste?
Considering he admits that he actually knew Andraste and that he helped to carry her Ashes, no he isn't a Fade Spirit. Fade spirits embody vices and virtues and he doesn't embody anything. He's just a human being, living after death.
He was human at first and that's fact. After his death, who knows what happened to him. We know that certain believers became Ash Wraiths by self-immolation. So it seems that anyone can become a spirit after death. Whether they're "Fade" spirits is another matter entirely.
Oghren says the lyrium is what's possibly keeping him alive.
But I'm sure that Morrigan was just calling him a spirit in the sense that he really is a spirit. Not a Fade Spirit, just a spirit. No human body anymore, just a soul.
Maybe Kolgrim is not insane, it is just his character is like that. He is willingly to engage diplomatic with the Warden makes him not insane like he seems to be.
He's a Reaver. By definition, he has imbibed Dragon's blood which causes insanity.
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 06:04
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Considering he admits that he actually knew Andraste and that he helped to carry her Ashes, no he isn't a Fade Spirit. Fade spirits embody vices and virtues and he doesn't embody anything. He's just a human being, living after death.
He was human at first and that's fact. After his death, who knows what happened to him. We know that certain believers became Ash Wraiths by self-immolation. So it seems that anyone can become a spirit after death. Whether they're "Fade" spirits is another matter entirely.
Oghren says the lyrium is what's possibly keeping him alive.
But I'm sure that Morrigan was just calling him a spirit in the sense that he really is a spirit. Not a Fade Spirit, just a spirit. No human body anymore, just a soul.
Maybe he is the spirit that resembles the human who suppose to be the Guardian? He know so much about everyone, as a human, or maybe a human who have been dead and live as a spirit, he sure are not become "know it all" about everyone. So that show he is not just human.
The gauntlet show that spirits can resembles anyone, if you are Human Noble, papa Cousland will show up, if you are a mage, Jowan will show, they all are spirits.
Furthermore, spirit will resembles you and your companions, you must fight them all.
All spirits are from the fade in DA universe
The Gaunlet is about Faith, it is a mechanism created for all who enter it, who created it? It is a mechanic that allow the one who have faith can enter...not the one who know truth or not, but faith.
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He's a Reaver. By definition, he has imbibed Dragon's blood which causes insanity.
Well, Grey Warden drink darksapwn blood that can lead to insanity, but they are not insane...
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 06:10
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Yeah, it's not clear at all what the guardian is. It could just be some sort of magical construct. We already see that the gauntlet can construct entities out of thin air, from your character's mind.
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 06:14
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The gauntlet show that spirits can resembles anyone, if you are Human Noble, papa Cousland will show up, if you are a mage, Jowan will show, they all are spirits.
That's because they're manifestations of the imprint left upon the Warden by those people, and not actual spirits.
The magic of the place -- more then likely caused by the lyrium veins -- is causing them to appear. Maybe because the Guardian is doing it.
Or that's how I've always taken it. You can't say definitively what's causing them to appear.
Furthermore, spirit will resembles you and your companions, you must fight them all.
That's not indicative of them being actual Fade spirits.
All spirits are from the fade in DA universe
All spirits born in the Fade are from the Fade in the DA universe.
But we don't know about spirits being born outside of the Fade -- and through a means that is not the norm for Fade spirits -- are necessarily denizens of the Fade.
That was my point. Since the Guardian may be a spirit of a different sort then Fade spirits, you can't really call him a Fade spirit as a fact.
I'm sticking to my notion that Morrigan just used the term spirit generically and not as something to mean a Fade spirit.
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 06:15
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Like i mentioned above, and like brother Genetivi said, there are mechanism in the temple, only those who have faith can survive or enter.
It is a mechanism that have been created, but we don't know who created it.
So, if it is a mechanic or trap or whatever we want to call it, it means there is someone who set it all up. That someone who make sure only the one who agree with his/her idea can enter.
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It is a mechanism that have been created, but we don't know who created it.
So, if it is a mechanic or trap or whatever we want to call it, it means there is someone who set it all up. That someone who make sure only the one who agree with his/her idea can enter.
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 06:24
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
That's because they're manifestations of the imprint left upon the Warden by those people, and not actual spirits.
The magic of the place -- more then likely caused by the lyrium veins -- is causing them to appear. Maybe because the Guardian is doing it.
Or that's how I've always taken it. You can't say definitively what's causing them to appear.
Maybe it is a mechanism created, magical ones, using the lyrium to somewhat confined Fade spirits to that area? Thatis why they all can breach into the Warden and the companions mind.
Fade spirits know your weakness, nightmare and so on...when you are in the Fade, you will be in your nightmare, example Alistair living with his sister, in which a Fade spirit resembles his sister.
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 11:47
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I seem to recall David once saying on the old BioWare fora that he wanted to avoid making the Maker or any god real in any sense that diminished the religion's... faithiness. As soon as you do the Forgotten Realms thing and make a god a fact, references to faith quickly become nonsensical and you lose the distinction between religions and governments, between gods and hyperadvanced alien dictators.
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Anyone who completed the sacred ashes quest and still doubts the maker's existence has all their stone sense intact.
If you've ever brought Oghren, you'd know it's just lyrium in the mountain causing the ashes to have special powers. And how dare you question my stone sense, you greased nug!
In all my playthroughs, I've brough oghren to the peak once/maybe twice and all he's ever said is something about not being able to wait to fight the dragon, never anything about lyrium, midget.
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 03:57
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Sacred Ashes of Andraste is not a miracle, it is magic. You will see mage(?) doing some ritual to Arl Eamon with the ashes.
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Posté 31 mai 2012 - 06:38
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Emzamination wrote...
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Sacred Ashes of Andraste is not a miracle, it is magic. You will see mage(?) doing some ritual to Arl Eamon with the ashes.
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lols:lol:, the ashes being sprinkled...not made into potion.<_<
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Emzamination wrote...
In all my playthroughs, I've brough oghren to the peak once/maybe twice and all he's ever said is something about not being able to wait to fight the dragon, never anything about lyrium, midget.
He says it in discussions with the Guardian when you meet him.
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Posté 01 juin 2012 - 06:34
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I think it would be rather interesting to have a chat with the Maker, if he existed. Or maybe the old elven gods? Hell, actually speaking to one of the Old Gods would be ridiculously awesome.
Old God: you are not Saren...
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Posté 02 juin 2012 - 04:40
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Emzamination wrote...
In all my playthroughs, I've brough oghren to the peak once/maybe twice and all he's ever said is something about not being able to wait to fight the dragon, never anything about lyrium, midget.
He says it in discussions with the Guardian when you meet him.
Do you have to follow a specific dialogue path? All they talked about was branka with me.
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Posté 02 juin 2012 - 04:45
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The Maker being revealed as real would ruin the entire Dragon Age setting and the mythos and mysteriousness of it.
