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Wow those two discs must be so damn heavy, how unfortunate that in order to finish one of the best games ever made you'll have to lug that heavy disc and switch it out for hte other extremely heavy disc, and have to walk what I assume would be 5 steps total, boo hoo.


Yep , I'm betting this time their might be a harddrive solution and if not you get up to change disc's.

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Maybe you can install the second disc and play on the first.


I wish this could happen too, but I believe there is a DRM issue that doesn't allow that to work on XBOX. 


With the old disc's , is it still the same for the new format ?

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doubtful, other then the fact xbox and bioware like to make whiners like this guy get up and move the different discs have unique keys and in order to play an installed disc you need the actual disc to access it, just like with ME2 and when you burn its two discs onto your hard drive

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jagbobdole wrote...

doubtful, other then the fact xbox and bioware like to make whiners like this guy get up and move the different discs have unique keys and in order to play an installed disc you need the actual disc to access it, just like with ME2 and when you burn its two discs onto your hard drive


Understood , oh well two times of getting off the couch to switch then.

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Exactly, in order to play one of the greatest games ever played I do not mind at all having to get up once or twice, so that the graphics and gameplay run smoothly and look as good as they possibly can

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 Could be worse we could be like the PC folks , required to install origin to even play the game at all.:whistle:

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...How annoying could it possibly be to get off the couch every 10-15 hours?


IT DESTROYS IMMERSION, MAN!

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Thats true, although I already have origin installed and will probably eventually get the pc version someday, however all my saves are on my xbox and my pride for haivng unlocked every single achievement from every mass effect game is on display there and I will prefer my multiplayer on the xbox version

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While I play on PC and have no idea how big the 360's disc space is, I question how much content there is in the game if they are not only using one instead of two. Don't know if they are using a bigger disc, or the 360's general disc size got bigger. :huh: If anyone has info on this, please explain.


Xbox360 discs are dual-layer DVDs that can hold twice as much content as a regular DVD. That's about 9,4GB.


9.4 GB or 9 or 4 GB? Either way, that's less then the 15GB (actual space I forget, think it was 12.4) space ME2 had. So it still worries me a bit then, content wise. 

If they would do a double-sided disc, then it would be just one disc,
but that would still require us to get up and flip the thing over.


dual-layered =/= double-sided


A dual-layered DVD is a DVD with 2 layers on the same side. it's 2x 4,7GB = 9,4GB. Since both layers are on the same side, you don't have to get up and flip it over. The disk does not have to be flipped.


A dual-layered double-sided DVD would be 2x 9,4GB = 18,8GB. This disk does have to be flipped.

That's what I'm saying. A double sided dual layered disc is the most compact they could make ME3 if it's the same size as ME2, but it still would require us to get up and open/close the disc tray.

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I see nobody paid attention to this when I said it the first time, so I'll repeat myself; the problem with disc-switching isn't having to get off the couch. It's that having different missions on different discs forces us to do some before others, thus restricting player choice. It's what stopped us from being able to head off to Ilium or Haestrom from the get-go in ME2.

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Well they limit that because story wise you are suppose to recruit a certain group first and then they allow you to expand with the others, it is the sequencing of the story you dislike at that point not hte swapping the discs

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and for the record we all saw it, but it was a silly point so it was ignored

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I see nobody paid attention to this when I said it the first time, so I'll repeat myself; the problem with disc-switching isn't having to get off the couch. It's that having different missions on different discs forces us to do some before others, thus restricting player choice. It's what stopped us from being able to head off to Ilium or Haestrom from the get-go in ME2.


Yeah , but isn't it that way on the PS3 which is one disc.Even on one blue-ray disc you still had to playthyough things like you would on the 360.

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jagbobdole wrote...

Well they limit that because story wise you are suppose to recruit a certain group first and then they allow you to expand with the others, it is the sequencing of the story you dislike at that point not hte swapping the discs

The story was sequenced that way because of the discs, though. There is actually dialogue for Tali, Thane and Samara on the earlier recruitment missions; the original plan was that you could recruit the team in any order. It was the game being on two discs that forced them to make it otherwise.

Personally, I'd be fine switching discs after every mission if it meant I could do the missions in the order I want, but I doubt Bioware will handle it that way.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

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...How annoying could it possibly be to get off the couch every 10-15 hours?


IT DESTROYS IMMERSION, MAN!


Not when the disc changes are set in sections of intermission or major breaks in the story telling. :P

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Like my friend with the jacob picture commented, even on the one disc ps3 version you had the play the same way, because that was how the story was written, and that is why it was broken up as such, it doesnt matter they introduced them earlier the story was written as sheperd didnt recruit htem until after the first bunch

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I just don't understand why I have to switch disks when I install the entire game to my harddrive. It's not that it's a super big deal, but it doesn't make sense to me. Why can't the first disk be used to verify that the disk is in fact in the tray and then the game could just play off the HDD? Does anyone have the answer to this?

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Well biotic i was hoping that me2 became an xbox game on demand so that we didnt have to worry about the dic swapping however it is a security issue, if you didnt need the disc then you could burn the disc and then give it to all your friends to do the same and then no one would have to buy the game and sales would go down

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Disk swapping only happened at specific moments. It's not that bad, its a big after all. Curious did Skyrim of have disk swapping.

no I find it annoying as well this reminds me of the ole CD-rom days where you had to install 7th guest. If skyrim can fit all that on a disk (though I wish they did better beta testing) then ME3 should fit on disk as well. And the frosbite 2 engine does not empress me. 

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I see a lot of people saying "its not a big deal to disc swap"

yeah maybe if you play ME2 once or twice ever. for those of us who play twenty or thirty times, its a giant pain in the ass.

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jagbobdole wrote...

Like my friend with the jacob picture commented, even on the one disc ps3 version you had the play the same way, because that was how the story was written, and that is why it was broken up as such, it doesnt matter they introduced them earlier the story was written as sheperd didnt recruit htem until after the first bunch

They weren't going to force Xbox players to play the story in a different order than other players; that's just silly. The fact remains that the reason they wrote the story that way is because they couldn't fit it all into one disc.

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*impress*, and your comment does not impress me, skyrim has no real cut-scenes and the graphics aren't as polished as ME2 or as ME3's will be

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jagbobdole wrote...

Well biotic i was hoping that me2 became an xbox game on demand so that we didnt have to worry about the dic swapping however it is a security issue, if you didnt need the disc then you could burn the disc and then give it to all your friends to do the same and then no one would have to buy the game and sales would go down


I feel like you didn't understand my post...I said why does it require you to have both discs in the tray?  Why can't you install the game from both discs to the harddrive, and then from then on you just put the first disc (or the play disc) into the tray to verify the physical copy of the game.

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Well biotic i was hoping that me2 became an xbox game on demand so that we didnt have to worry about the dic swapping however it is a security issue, if you didnt need the disc then you could burn the disc and then give it to all your friends to do the same and then no one would have to buy the game and sales would go down


I feel like you didn't understand my post...I said why does it require you to have both discs in the tray?  Why can't you install the game from both discs to the harddrive, and then from then on you just put the first disc (or the play disc) into the tray to verify the physical copy of the game.


I think ME Producer Jesse Houston posted back in the ME2 forums, they investigated a solution like this for ME2 but it was not possible.

I am hopeful that EA/Bioware/Microsoft will eventually release ME2 and ME3 digitally on Xbox Live Games on Demand. Disc Swap is really garbage that is a result of using an outdated physical format.

Modifié par scyphozoa, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:39 .


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scyphozoa wrote...

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jagbobdole wrote...

Well biotic i was hoping that me2 became an xbox game on demand so that we didnt have to worry about the dic swapping however it is a security issue, if you didnt need the disc then you could burn the disc and then give it to all your friends to do the same and then no one would have to buy the game and sales would go down


I feel like you didn't understand my post...I said why does it require you to have both discs in the tray?  Why can't you install the game from both discs to the harddrive, and then from then on you just put the first disc (or the play disc) into the tray to verify the physical copy of the game.


I think ME Producer Jesse Houston posted back in the ME2 forums, they investigated a solution like this for ME2 but it was not possible.

I am hopeful that EA/Bioware/Microsoft will eventually release ME2 and ME3 as Games on Demand. Disc Swap is really garbage that is a result of using an outdated physical format.


That just blows my mind.  Maybe if I understood the nuances of the disc verification process on the Xbox 360 better...but from what I know about PC and install it just blows my mind that there is really no solution to this.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 15 janvier 2012 - 04:40 .