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[darthnick427]

I hereby declare The Legend of Korra awesometacular. Tho I do miss Aang, Katara, Sokka, Toph, Zuko, Iroh, Suki, Momo and Appa

[Clover Rider]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

I like how Amon had blueprints for the mechs on his wall early on, second episode or so I think.

Also how is platinum in any way harder to bend than generic metal? I'm not one to question magic, but platinum is weaker and more ductile than iron or steel. In fact, platinum is noted for its exceptional malleability despite its density. Ain't no reason metalbenders shouldn't be able to bend platinum.

But this is the show in which people turn water into ice by making flamboyant gestures at it, so whatever.

See thats whats getting you.

Metal bending isn't real. Metal benders are just highly skilled Earth Benders. they are bending impurities (IE Earth) in the metal left over from its forging. Iron and Steel are pretty dirty, more so from the time period we are roughly looking at. On the other hand Platinum while weaker, as a substence is also more pure, and would have no impurities in it to aid a bender. A few other metals could be lumped in there, but its unlikely they have the technology to make use of them. An Example would be titanium.

If there are "metal benders" then metal bending is real(the show itself calls it that). I mean yeah, I know metal bending isn't actually bending metal, its bending the earthy particle impurities in it.

They went into a lot of detail about it when Toph broke out of her metal cage at the end of season 2.

As to why they can't bend platinum. That would do it for their universe's rules, but it's hard to believe that they can get bulk platinum at high purity and still struggle to do the same for a metal much more common and often used.

But then again, who says that they couldn't get high-quality iron or steel if they wanted to? The question is why would they want to in the first place?

Platinum is a fairly good conductor of electricity, is quite a bit stronger than you'd expect for a metal that is so easy to work with, and is a lot heavier than either copper or silver. On top of that, one of the few industries in Republic City that would actually be reliant on Firebending from the start is metalworking; the Equalists would need a metal than can be worked by means other than casting.

But now that I think about it, that gets into one problem... Platinum is so much scarcer of a metal that it's hard to believe they have as highly developed manufacturing techniques for it as iron or steel. Even if platinum is easier to work, that doesn't make it easier to harvest. And considering the usefulness of iron or steel, I'm sure manufacturing processes for them have been developed thoroughly enough for them to be much more accessible. Not only that, but most of that would be easily within Mr. Sato's reach, considering the industry he's in. 

But I guess... As far as scarcity goes, platinum and related metals can be found in magmatic formations and there is an entire nation that has lived on, in, and around such formations for millenia. The Fire Nation should have tremendous reserves of precious metals as a result.

There I go again thinking too much on little things.:innocent:

[RedArmyShogun]

Lol If you can build warmechs, portable tesla coils, flying armored airships, and shock gloves, I don't think mining is a major problem. More so without benders. I mean think of the giant drill from Avatar. Just smack some of those motors inside and well who needs fire benders?

And actully working Iron and steel out to stainless quality is actully very hard to do, well not hard so much as recent. And I wonder about needing benders to do metal working. They seemed to have industrialized a bit. In fact maybe there are no benders working on those things at all. I mean the hanger they were in also seemed to be the factory, and from the sounds of it I doubt the equalist would have used benders for anything.

As to the fire nation I suspect as much, then you have Earth benders and giant moles constantly reshaping things. And all the War spoilers and surplus from 100 years of non-stop war.

The problem is the way the equalists do things would be totally new to the Benders.

Its like Watching German Tanks crashing down a woodland, while your men are still in trenches like the war many years before. I mean so far, its been luck that Korra is even alive, or the forces with them have survived nevermind a few victories. When it comes to stand up fights, the technology thrown at them, hell you might as well just throw up in the Show White blue eyed guys coming over in iron ships with rifles. Its like Tesla was set free.

So the metals, or tech, well come on, the guy mass produces cars, when just 80 years ago no locomotion was possible at all without earth or fire benders. Not only has he made a self powerd car, but he builds thousands off a line in mass quanities. Then warbots and the other things the equalists have. Yeah I'm sure Mr Roboto would have a hard time figuring how to cut and shape metal and build mining machines.

As the US showed in WW2, its not hard to switch from auto's to weapons of war if you got the factories up. The problem is to use the same setting, the Benders are the Germans, Traditions, quality. But in end, quanitity has a quality all of its own.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 21 mai 2012 - 12:58 .

[the_one_54321]

Totally called it.

All except for Asami also being in on it.

[Deviija]

Mmhm, Asami not evil/femme fatale/pretty villain. I knew it. The creators are smarter than the obvious cliches for lady characters. I also knew that if Asami were to stay a part of the Avatar entourage/be part of the troop, then she'd have to learn martial arts (like Sokka) on the journey or else come pre-loaded with martial discipline. And boom, there it was in this ep casually as foreshadowing prior to the ending. A grand ending it was, too.

Lin continues to be awesome. I continue cheering gleefully. It is now obvious to me that Lin is the Batman/Batwoman of Republic City.

[Megaton_Hope]

It's not exactly HARD to make stainless steel, but you have to understand about passivation. Well, the metal itself is hard to work with, but that's a machining problem that wouldn't be a big deal with metalbenders around.

[Homebound]

Deviija wrote...

Mmhm, Asami not evil/femme fatale/pretty villain. I knew it. The creators are smarter than the obvious cliches for lady characters. I also knew that if Asami were to stay a part of the Avatar entourage/be part of the troop, then she'd have to learn martial arts (like Sokka) on the journey or else come pre-loaded with martial discipline. And boom, there it was in this ep casually as foreshadowing prior to the ending. A grand ending it was, too.

Lin continues to be awesome. I continue cheering gleefully. It is now obvious to me that Lin is the Batman/Batwoman of Republic City.

oh Lin...Im starting to see some grimdark in her past. Nobody as of yet knows who Toph paired up with to have her.  Theres the chance..Well, Toph's blind...

[RedArmyShogun]

lol shes also the worlds most powerful earth bender, unless it was a ghost or a person that hoovers, then no. Also no on the Sokka, unless cousin relationships are okay. Which would be what the later was.

I Bet it was the Boulder *lulz j/k*

I'm sure it'll end up being someone that became a criminal, or Toph and her husband both were cops and died, or some such.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 21 mai 2012 - 12:22 .

[the_one_54321]

Tenzin is a badass. Just for those that were doubting it. The last airbending master in the world is of course freaking amazing.

One thing I found interesting, it's possible the pro benders aren't exactly fantastic benders in general. They do lots of ahort simple intense moves. It makes me wonder if Mako amd Bo-lin can compare at all to Zuko and Toph.

[Seagloom]

He hasn't been portrayed as particularly badass so far. The last episode was an opportunity for Tenzin to shine and he didn't really do much. I'm fine with that, though. I don't expect an airbender to pummel the crap out of people.

We know Mako can throw lightning. Why didn't he during that battle anyway? Frying guys in metal suits would've been effective. I digress...

He is one up on Zuko in that regard. I doubt Bolin is anywhere near Toph's league. I don't think Lin, skilled as she clearly is, is as good as Toph in her prime either.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 mai 2012 - 05:45 .

[the_one_54321]

He didn't do much? He was blasting metal giants around with airbending! He's not the avatar, after all. Just a master airbender. When did Mako shoot lightning? I don't recal that. Though I'm sure Zuko must have learned it after the war. It was only his inner conflict that originally stopped him. He also redirected a lightning blast from firelord Ozai.

[RedArmyShogun]

Actully I'm pretty sure lightning would not have worked on those machines. After all they conducted lightning down the rope and into those Metal benders. So I'm sure they have some sort of feature to prevent the pilots from getting fried. Else having said weapon would have been silly.

[Seagloom]

I guess that's true about the mechs. I only saw the episode once so my memory isn't the best. Maybe my recollection of Tenzin's participation is hazy too. I don't remember his air blasts doing a whole heck of a lot beyond toppling a mech or two. My definition of badass probably differs as well. To me badass was Lin saving Korra's butt twice in the same episode with her high wire act. Blasting a few guys with wind and then getting schooled two seconds later isn't badass IMO. O.o

On the Mako tip, he was shown throwing lightning in the second episode while working at a power plant. I'm sure Zuko was more skilled after the events of AtLA, but his fights during the series didn't show him as dramatically more skilled than Mako was against a chi blocker. At least not hand to hand with firebending. Zuko was pretty awesome with his swords, though.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 mai 2012 - 06:58 .

[the_one_54321]

Ah, I remember the power plant now. But remember Zuko could compete with Azula, a firebending child prodigy.

Tenzin also saved Korra from a fall in this episode. With an air cussion rather than a catch. Besides which airbending isn't heavy on direct attack techniques. That's not the spiritual methodology behind it.

[Seagloom]

Yep. I made that same point about airbending earlier in this thread. I don't have a problem with airbending as a concept. It's just harder for me to see it as badass compared to lobbing flames, ice spikes, or boulders around.

I didn't remember the Tenzin catching Korra bit. Really need to see that episode again without my nephews talking and jumping around. XD

Edit: It could be cool if Tenzin or one of his children figured out a new way to use airbending, come to think of it. In AtLA they established stuff like metalbending and bloodbending. Plus we have firebenders with their lightning throwing. It would be neat if airbending also had a special technique associated with it.

Modifié par Seagloom, 21 mai 2012 - 08:01 .

[Deviija]

Nah, I agree with 'Gloom about Tenzin. I don't find him to be a 'badass,' but he is very accomplished and skilled. No one is taking that away from him. He's a Master and he had the freaking Avatar and Katara, masters in their own right, as parents for tutelage and guidance. That said, so far the show hasn't really shown him to be the type that fights in direct offensive combat so much as he's been shown to be more defensive, evasive, and support. He seems to be a lot more flow-y, dodging assault, counterattack-y, ensuring safety and health (a la air current to catch Korra's fall and checking on wounded/unconscious companions first) of the others in combat.

He hasn't had much combative screen time either, to be fair, so we'll see. It has only been a handful of episodes. But in terms of enemies defeated, he hasn't felled that many on-screen.

As for Bolin and Mako, I read some really interesting write-ups about their styles of bending and how, because probending is not combat-bending, the styles are very different. Like, when we watch Bolin do earthbending, he is uncharacteristically light on his feet, agile, and jumps around a lot. For an earthbender, rooting to the ground and connecting with the earth and being as a stone is important -- or so Toph taught us in ATLA. Probending is a very different beast, and they don't use their bending to kill -- but for sport. It's like Bolin and Mako have the forms down, but not the discipline and martial training that is best suited for their elements.

Sidenote: I believe Lin is a metalbending specialist.  Aka she is better at metalbending than earthbending.  It'd make sense, imo, since each of the Avatar's entourage needs a special skill and bending (or non-bending) style so there is no duplicates.  Just like in ATLA (Zuko - fire, Katara - water, Toph - earth, Sokka - physical...).  Bolin is going to be the earth guru.  Tenzin - air, Lin - metal, Mako - fire, Asami - physical (and I also predict she'll be a chi-blocker to go head-to-head with benders).  

Modifié par Deviija, 21 mai 2012 - 08:10 .

[Naughty Bear]

Some Geth wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

I like how Amon had blueprints for the mechs on his wall early on, second episode or so I think.

Also how is platinum in any way harder to bend than generic metal? I'm not one to question magic, but platinum is weaker and more ductile than iron or steel. In fact, platinum is noted for its exceptional malleability despite its density. Ain't no reason metalbenders shouldn't be able to bend platinum.

But this is the show in which people turn water into ice by making flamboyant gestures at it, so whatever.

See thats whats getting you.

Metal bending isn't real. Metal benders are just highly skilled Earth Benders. they are bending impurities (IE Earth) in the metal left over from its forging. Iron and Steel are pretty dirty, more so from the time period we are roughly looking at. On the other hand Platinum while weaker, as a substence is also more pure, and would have no impurities in it to aid a bender. A few other metals could be lumped in there, but its unlikely they have the technology to make use of them. An Example would be titanium.

If there are "metal benders" then metal bending is real(the show itself calls it that). I mean yeah, I know metal bending isn't actually bending metal, its bending the earthy particle impurities in it.

They went into a lot of detail about it when Toph broke out of her metal cage at the end of season 2.

As to why they can't bend platinum. That would do it for their universe's rules, but it's hard to believe that they can get bulk platinum at high purity and still struggle to do the same for a metal much more common and often used.

But then again, who says that they couldn't get high-quality iron or steel if they wanted to? The question is why would they want to in the first place?

Platinum is a fairly good conductor of electricity, is quite a bit stronger than you'd expect for a metal that is so easy to work with, and is a lot heavier than either copper or silver. On top of that, one of the few industries in Republic City that would actually be reliant on Firebending from the start is metalworking; the Equalists would need a metal than can be worked by means other than casting.

But now that I think about it, that gets into one problem... Platinum is so much scarcer of a metal that it's hard to believe they have as highly developed manufacturing techniques for it as iron or steel. Even if platinum is easier to work, that doesn't make it easier to harvest. And considering the usefulness of iron or steel, I'm sure manufacturing processes for them have been developed thoroughly enough for them to be much more accessible. Not only that, but most of that would be easily within Mr. Sato's reach, considering the industry he's in. 

But I guess... As far as scarcity goes, platinum and related metals can be found in magmatic formations and there is an entire nation that has lived on, in, and around such formations for millenia. The Fire Nation should have tremendous reserves of precious metals as a result.

There I go again thinking too much on little things.:innocent:

As an Engineer, you have gained my respect.

I love posts that go into extreme detail. Materials is a fascinating subject, if the water tribe were smart, cryogenic hardening would make their weapons more superior.

Also since crygenic hardening reduces friction for metals that undergo this process, the mechs can run more better.

And the Fire Nation do quite a few heat-treament methods with their abilities such as case hardening. But whatever their materia is for armour, it can become really strong and resistant to wear and damage.

And also with conductivity, their electrical bending skills would be very useful.

Also Earth Benders can make alloys couldn't they?

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 21 mai 2012 - 08:42 .

[the_one_54321]

The whole "it's platinum muahahahahaha!" thing seemed really unfeasable to me. I wasn't super happy with that plot device.

[android654]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Tenzin is a badass. Just for those that were doubting it. The last airbending master in the world is of course freaking amazing.

One thing I found interesting, it's possible the pro benders aren't exactly fantastic benders in general. They do lots of ahort simple intense moves. It makes me wonder if Mako amd Bo-lin can compare at all to Zuko and Toph.

Short answer is no. Azula, Kitara and Toph were all born prodigies. Aang, Iroh and Zuko dedicated thier lives around bending. Mako and Bo-lin merely use it as a small extension of themselves. The people from the old gang are much more advanced in what they could do and you see it in their kids. I mean Toph discovered 2 new uses for earth bending when she was what,10? 11?

[Clover Rider]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

I like how Amon had blueprints for the mechs on his wall early on, second episode or so I think.

Also how is platinum in any way harder to bend than generic metal? I'm not one to question magic, but platinum is weaker and more ductile than iron or steel. In fact, platinum is noted for its exceptional malleability despite its density. Ain't no reason metalbenders shouldn't be able to bend platinum.

But this is the show in which people turn water into ice by making flamboyant gestures at it, so whatever.

See thats whats getting you.

Metal bending isn't real. Metal benders are just highly skilled Earth Benders. they are bending impurities (IE Earth) in the metal left over from its forging. Iron and Steel are pretty dirty, more so from the time period we are roughly looking at. On the other hand Platinum while weaker, as a substence is also more pure, and would have no impurities in it to aid a bender. A few other metals could be lumped in there, but its unlikely they have the technology to make use of them. An Example would be titanium.

If there are "metal benders" then metal bending is real(the show itself calls it that). I mean yeah, I know metal bending isn't actually bending metal, its bending the earthy particle impurities in it.

They went into a lot of detail about it when Toph broke out of her metal cage at the end of season 2.

As to why they can't bend platinum. That would do it for their universe's rules, but it's hard to believe that they can get bulk platinum at high purity and still struggle to do the same for a metal much more common and often used.

But then again, who says that they couldn't get high-quality iron or steel if they wanted to? The question is why would they want to in the first place?

Platinum is a fairly good conductor of electricity, is quite a bit stronger than you'd expect for a metal that is so easy to work with, and is a lot heavier than either copper or silver. On top of that, one of the few industries in Republic City that would actually be reliant on Firebending from the start is metalworking; the Equalists would need a metal than can be worked by means other than casting.

But now that I think about it, that gets into one problem... Platinum is so much scarcer of a metal that it's hard to believe they have as highly developed manufacturing techniques for it as iron or steel. Even if platinum is easier to work, that doesn't make it easier to harvest. And considering the usefulness of iron or steel, I'm sure manufacturing processes for them have been developed thoroughly enough for them to be much more accessible. Not only that, but most of that would be easily within Mr. Sato's reach, considering the industry he's in. 

But I guess... As far as scarcity goes, platinum and related metals can be found in magmatic formations and there is an entire nation that has lived on, in, and around such formations for millenia. The Fire Nation should have tremendous reserves of precious metals as a result.

There I go again thinking too much on little things.:innocent:

As an Engineer, you have gained my respect.

I love posts that go into extreme detail. Materials is a fascinating subject, if the water tribe were smart, cryogenic hardening would make their weapons more superior.

Also since crygenic hardening reduces friction for metals that undergo this process, the mechs can run more better.

And the Fire Nation do quite a few heat-treament methods with their abilities such as case hardening. But whatever their materia is for armour, it can become really strong and resistant to wear and damage.

And also with conductivity, their electrical bending skills would be very useful.

Also Earth Benders can make alloys couldn't they?

I only know that stuff thanks to friends(Engineers like you), books/internet and a lot of curiousity on my part. But thanks for the respect points, since you are right, materials are a fascinating subject.

[Seagloom]

I rewatched the episode just now on Nick's site. Definitely stand by my Tenzin wasn't badass stance now. XD Although his saving Korra with a puff of wind and that pinwheel movement gust reminiscent of Aang's old wind sphere was cool. I liked that Tenzin put his own touch on that by having air encircle him instead.

I think Lin was the only character that rocked this episode. In terms of fighting, that is. She had a badass moment when leaping on a mech and trying to stab its driver with metal spikes. Korra threw flames and Tenzin whirled around a lot, but the two together were unable to overpower Hiroshi. In short, team, Korra got its ass kicked. I didn't notice just how one sided that battle was the first time I saw it.

[Megaton_Hope]

I feel like they overlooked the value of their earthbenders in that underground lair. Earth all over, guys, forget bending the platinum. (Even though I'm sure that platinum should bend just as readily as, say, sand - which doesn't have the same physical properties as soil anyways.)

[Lenimph]

Yeah thats what I was thinking too. Why didn't bend the floor the make the machines fall over to get out of there asap.

I'm so upset there isn't a new episode this week...

Modifié par Lenimph, 24 mai 2012 - 07:39 .

[Seagloom]

I attribute that to what Deviija suggested earlier about Lin being a metal bending specialist. I imagine that applies to her men too. They do not even refer to themselves as earth benders.

So, a rerun this week huh? Can't say I'm suprised. Nick has to slow down on new airings, or it will burn through the entire season too quickly. It wouldn't shock me if they put LoK on hiatus soon, and waited until Autumn to wrap up season one. Not that expecting it makes it suck any less.

Modifié par Seagloom, 24 mai 2012 - 09:06 .

[Homebound]

Seagloom wrote...

I rewatched the episode just now on Nick's site. Definitely stand by my Tenzin wasn't badass stance now. XD Although his saving Korra with a puff of wind and that pinwheel movement gust reminiscent of Aang's old wind sphere was cool. I liked that Tenzin put his own touch on that by having air encircle him instead.

I think Lin was the only character that rocked this episode. In terms of fighting, that is. She had a badass moment when leaping on a mech and trying to stab its driver with metal spikes. Korra threw flames and Tenzin whirled around a lot, but the two together were unable to overpower Hiroshi. In short, team, Korra got its ass kicked. I didn't notice just how one sided that battle was the first time I saw it.

lol it wasnt like they were going to punch an army of several platinum robots to death.