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[Arcian]

Today is a joyous day.

[TheClonesLegacy]

I thought our solution was to blame the White Lotus for everything.

[leaguer of one]

Well my only exposure to the fandom has been this thread. And that's certainly not the impression I got. 

Because, ironically being that this is bsn, your face with all the "lovers" of the series here. If you go to other gatherings of Avatar watchers  they pop up like a bad rash.

[jtav]

I dipped my toe in another forum. Avatar fandom seems nuttier about romance than BSN.

[Clover Rider]

The Shipping parts of fandoms are always the worst.

[TheClonesLegacy]

The Shipping parts of fandoms are always the worst.

That was a common consensus during the RWBY threads Heyday.

[Clover Rider]

Like most things in life.

 

It all goes back to Pokémon.

 

A series where there is no romance.

 

Yet the shipping fandom of it is still very much alive to this day.

 

May some higher being have mercy on their souls.

[leaguer of one]

Like most things in life.

 

It all goes back to Pokémon.

 

A series where there is no romance.

 

Yet the shipping fandom of it is still very much alive to this day.

 

May some higher being have mercy on their souls.

Pokemon? Hell, it started from the first Star trek.

[Clover Rider]

Yet it was nowhere near as bad as Pokémon.

[leaguer of one]

Since everyone and their mother seems to be obsessed with the Korrasami thing, Kotaku released an article with some tidbits on said subject from the co-creators.

Spoiler

Here's DiMartino:

Our intention with the last scene was to make it as clear as possible that yes, Korra and Asami have romantic feelings for each other. The moment where they enter the spirit portal symbolizes their evolution from being friends to being a couple. Many news outlets, bloggers, and fans picked up on this and didn't find it ambiguous. For the most part, it seems like the point of the scene was understood and additional commentary wasn't really needed from Bryan or me. But in case people were still questioning what happened in the last scene, I wanted to make a clear verbal statement to complement the show's visual one. I get that not everyone will be happy with the way that the show ended. Rarely does a series finale of any show satisfy that show's fans, so I've been pleasantly surprised with the positive articles and posts I've seen about Korra's finale.

I've already read some heartwarming and incredible posts about how this moment means so much for the LGBT community. Once again, the incredible outpouring of support for the show humbles me. As Tenzin says, "Life is one big bumpy ride." And if, by Korra and Asami being a couple, we are able to help smooth out that ride even a tiny bit for some people, I'm proud to do my part, however small it might be.12

And here's Konietzko:

We approached the network and while they were supportive there was a limit to how far we could go with it, as just about every article I read accurately deduced. It was originally written in the script over a year ago that Korra and Asami held hands as they walked into the spirit portal. We went back and forth on it in the storyboards, but later in the retake process I staged a revision where they turned towards each other, clasping both hands in a reverential manner, in a direct reference to Varrick and Zhu Li's nuptial pose from a few minutes prior. We asked Jeremy Zuckerman to make the music tender and romantic, and he fulfilled the assignment with a sublime score. I think the entire last two-minute sequence with Korra and Asami turned out beautiful, and again, it is a resolution of which I am very proud. I love how their relationship arc took its time, through kindness and caring. If it seems out of the blue to you, I think a second viewing of the last two seasons would show that perhaps you were looking at it only through a hetero lens.

Was it a slam-dunk victory for queer representation? I think it falls short of that, but hopefully it is a somewhat significant inching forward. It has been encouraging how well the media and the bulk of the fans have embraced it. Sadly and unsurprisingly, there are also plenty of people who have lashed out with homophobic vitriol and nonsense. It has been my experience that by and large this kind of mindset is a result of a lack of exposure to people whose lives and struggles are different from one's own, and due to a deficiency in empathy––the latter being a key theme in Book 4. (Despite what you might have heard, bisexual people are real!) I have held plenty of stupid notions throughout my life that were planted there in any number of ways, or even grown out of my own ignorance and flawed personality. Yet through getting to know people from all walks of life, listening to the stories of their experiences, and employing some empathy to try to imagine what it might be like to walk in their shoes, I have been able to shed many hurtful mindsets. I still have a long way to go, and I still have a lot to learn. It is a humbling process and hard work, but nothing on the scale of what anyone who has been marginalized has experienced. It is a worthwhile, lifelong endeavor to try to understand where people are coming from.

Old....Sorry.

[Isichar]

I thought our solution was to blame the SimfamSP for everything.

 

ftfy

[lady_v23]

Since everyone and their mother seems to be obsessed with the Korrasami thing, Kotaku released an article with some tidbits on said subject from the co-creators.

Spoiler

Here's DiMartino:

Our intention with the last scene was to make it as clear as possible that yes, Korra and Asami have romantic feelings for each other. The moment where they enter the spirit portal symbolizes their evolution from being friends to being a couple. Many news outlets, bloggers, and fans picked up on this and didn't find it ambiguous. For the most part, it seems like the point of the scene was understood and additional commentary wasn't really needed from Bryan or me. But in case people were still questioning what happened in the last scene, I wanted to make a clear verbal statement to complement the show's visual one. I get that not everyone will be happy with the way that the show ended. Rarely does a series finale of any show satisfy that show's fans, so I've been pleasantly surprised with the positive articles and posts I've seen about Korra's finale.

I've already read some heartwarming and incredible posts about how this moment means so much for the LGBT community. Once again, the incredible outpouring of support for the show humbles me. As Tenzin says, "Life is one big bumpy ride." And if, by Korra and Asami being a couple, we are able to help smooth out that ride even a tiny bit for some people, I'm proud to do my part, however small it might be.12

And here's Konietzko:

We approached the network and while they were supportive there was a limit to how far we could go with it, as just about every article I read accurately deduced. It was originally written in the script over a year ago that Korra and Asami held hands as they walked into the spirit portal. We went back and forth on it in the storyboards, but later in the retake process I staged a revision where they turned towards each other, clasping both hands in a reverential manner, in a direct reference to Varrick and Zhu Li's nuptial pose from a few minutes prior. We asked Jeremy Zuckerman to make the music tender and romantic, and he fulfilled the assignment with a sublime score. I think the entire last two-minute sequence with Korra and Asami turned out beautiful, and again, it is a resolution of which I am very proud. I love how their relationship arc took its time, through kindness and caring. If it seems out of the blue to you, I think a second viewing of the last two seasons would show that perhaps you were looking at it only through a hetero lens.

Was it a slam-dunk victory for queer representation? I think it falls short of that, but hopefully it is a somewhat significant inching forward. It has been encouraging how well the media and the bulk of the fans have embraced it. Sadly and unsurprisingly, there are also plenty of people who have lashed out with homophobic vitriol and nonsense. It has been my experience that by and large this kind of mindset is a result of a lack of exposure to people whose lives and struggles are different from one's own, and due to a deficiency in empathy––the latter being a key theme in Book 4. (Despite what you might have heard, bisexual people are real!) I have held plenty of stupid notions throughout my life that were planted there in any number of ways, or even grown out of my own ignorance and flawed personality. Yet through getting to know people from all walks of life, listening to the stories of their experiences, and employing some empathy to try to imagine what it might be like to walk in their shoes, I have been able to shed many hurtful mindsets. I still have a long way to go, and I still have a lot to learn. It is a humbling process and hard work, but nothing on the scale of what anyone who has been marginalized has experienced. It is a worthwhile, lifelong endeavor to try to understand where people are coming from.

 

very cool. this is new to me!

[AresKeith]

Good. Happy they cleared it up in completely non-ambiguous terms, so naysayers can start "dealing with it". Had to tell a few people to rewatch book 3 and 4 while paying more attention to the interactions between Korra and Asami myself.

And now I want a comic book/light novel about their journey in the spirit world. Make it happen Nick.

But it doesn't start until they met back up in Book 4

[Arcian]

But it doesn't start until they met back up in Book 4

Actually it starts in Book 3. Becomes especially evident in the end of Book 3 after Zaheer has been defeated.

[Dominus]

Old....Sorry.

Whoops.

Well, I'll throw in my 2 cents. They're the first family show I'm aware of, cartoon or not, to pull off a serious and meaningful depiction of an F/F relationship; I tip my hat to them.

As far as the rest of the 2 parter? I was very happy with it. The first half was expectantly full of action sequences to bring down the mean green tyrant. Some lives were lost, others saved. Plenty of drama.

The only nitpick I'd throw in is something else mentioned from an old friend of mine, how Korra resolved kuvira as an enemy could be seen as very contrived. I figured they'd solve it in a way that didn't involve Death/Imprisonment/Etc, guess I'm surprised how Kuvira was in less of a Stabby-Stabby mood after being blasted into the spirit realm. I like the idea, but it could've used more time to develop said idea. Maybe have her and Korra have more of a struggle.

I think they did well overall, and it's a good sendoff to a great series. Let's hope the same team continues new ventures outside of the Avatar Universe.

[Milan92]

So Mako fans and neutral viewers, how do you feel about his character being solidified as the de facto butt monkey stooge of the series?

He went out like a boss.

And he'll probably find someone else.

[Paragon Gabriel]

I really have to chuckle at people stating that Mako "went out like a *****" or similar when he didn't end up with Korea or anyone.

Like really, he never showed any intention of wanting to get with Korra and states himself that he isn't interested in anyone. Saying that he will always have Korra's back was an act of friendship and not him going "please Korra choose meeeeeeeee!!!"

I think Mako's "ending" is fine, not everyone has to end up with someone for a show to have a good ending.

[OdanUrr]

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Like I said, couldn't help myself.

 

But to be on topic. I don't see much a problem with Korra and Asami hanging out in the Spirit World. If a threat comes up Jinora can always go there in spirit form and tell them. It's not much of a problem. Especially given that spirit portal that's now right in the middle of Republic City.

Well, please try. I relate a lot to that character for very personal reasons so stuff like that upsets me. 

 

On topic, even if Jinora alerts them it will take them time to exit the Spirit World since they went there physically. Or do you think they will only explore the immediate vicinity to the portal on their months long vacation?  

 

Yeah, he was a joke. Society was fine though I thought. All his problems were of the personal nature and due to him being fool. Society was going through peaceful period wasn't it? Who knows maybe I imagined all this. 

He never goes much into it other than "the world seemed to be solving its own problems". That's not necessarily a positive. 

 

The incident with Koh was pretty much the only thing. I doubt Korra would make the same mistake, and she went through a lot more than that guy.

She made literally the same mistake: let the world solve its own problems. The consequences for her just happened to be a misguided dictator rather than a face stealing spirit. 

 

I think this is my favorite part of either of the blogs, because I've seen so many people going "Pfft it just came out of the blue, it didnt make any sense!" and I'm just like "Are you blind? Theres been subtle buildup for quite some time."

Rewatched all of Season 3 after the finale. Still don't see this buildup people like you refer to.

 

...What? Peaple are harder on korra. Hell, their people who call her the worst avatar ever and were frustrated with her to no end in book 2.

Well to be fair if it wasn't for her actions in Season 2 then Zaheer and Kuvira would never have done what they did.

[Battlebloodmage]

I would never imagine Nick to have an official lesbian couple. Well, they did censor a gay kiss from Clarence, so one step at a time. While I prefer for Korra to end up with Mako, I'm find with how it ends as well. 

[MisterJB]

I'm neutral about Korrasami but I wonder if the writers didn't put it there so the ending would be memorable.
While everyone is gushing, they can't notice if it was poor or lackluster.

[Milan92]

I'm neutral about Korrasami but I wonder if the writers didn't put it there so the ending would be memorable.
While everyone is gushing, they can't notice if it was poor or lackluster.

 

As many others have said, it felt like a season ending, not the ending of the series itself.

[Teddie Sage]

Mako's confirmed forever alone. 

Nah, turns out he asked Prince Wu to become his waifu and they eloped together! 

 

I'm so ridiculous...

[WildOrchid]

Bryan too:

http://bryankonietzk...rate-it-embrace
 

 

Good.

But knowing people, they will still deny it.

It's still baffles me that for gay/bi ships, we need confirmations from the creators, whereas with straight ships it's just there and everybody knows it.

 

 

Anyway, happy dance.

[Teddie Sage]

... Though out of the two brothers, I always considered Bolin to be the one who would end up gay in the end... I lost my bet with myself. I owe myself a slap. 

<- actual gay male.