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[KT Chong]

Korra got her arse kicked again. This time by the waterbending councilman Tarlok, who turned out to be a bloodbender. His waterbending skill is so powerful that he can bend the blood inside another person, even when it is not full moon. The only other person who can blood-bend is Katara, but then she can bend blood only when it is full moon.

The benders in this new series are way overpowered compared to the benders in the original series.  So many earthbenders can also bend metal, (in the original series, no one had ever bended metal before Toph discovered metal bending.)  So many firebenders can also bend cold fire i.e., lightning.  In the original series, even Zuko had never become powerful enough to create lightning.  Katara and the other old mad woman were the most powerful waterbenders and the only two bloodbenders in the original series, and they could only bend blood during full moon.  Now we have some random waterbender who can bend blood without full moon.  The regular benders in this new series are ridiculously powerful compared to the benders in the original series.

Modifié par KT Chong, 03 juin 2012 - 09:35 .

[The King of Dust]

Actually, I find that it's the opposite. The best benders in Atla were extremely powerful (Just think about king Bumi taking back Omashu all by himself, or when "team avatar" takes on all of the earth king's guards in order to reach him)

The benders in LoK seem more skilled, as more of them have mastered advanced techniques, but they also seem lacking in raw power.

Toph obviously trained other earth benders how to bend metal, Mako is a very skilled firebender (one of the best pro-benders around) plus he has the right temperament to bend lightning. Not sure about Tarrlok and bloodbending however, Katara might have taught the technique to Korra and a few other select waterbenders, but I doubt she'd spread it around. Maybe Hama was freed when the war ended and passed it on. Or it could have been known by some secret waterbender cult or something. As for why he doesn't need the full moon, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Megaton_Hope]

The King of Dust wrote...

As for why he doesn't need the full moon, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I don't think that the full moon was ever necessary. Hama needed it as an amplifier because of her advanced age - she was a skilled bender, but her body was failing on her. Unlike Bumi, the years were not kind to Hama. Katara could probably have used bloodbending without the full moon; one may note that she was already strong enough as a bender, and as a bloodbender, to overpower Hama with a technique that she had just learned. Th' thing is, Katara would not have used it. (Personally, I'd have liked to see a situation where Katara had no choice but to use it to prevail, but whatever. If wishes were horses, beggars would eat steak.)

Anyway. I think that people are seeing bending too much as an inborn ability and not enough as a learned skill. Yeah, you're "born" a bender, but you also "learn" to bend. You learn to throw bolts of cold-blooded fire, or bend steel by gripping its impurities. Bloodbending is no different. It's just another layer of complexity on top of bending, not another layer of "power." All "power" does is encourage your success where you lack skill.

[Megaton_Hope]

Anyways, the "you're as bad as Amon" scene, where Tarrlok twitches and responds with violence, seems to lend credence to the theory that they're the same guy. Still not conclusive, but remains plausible.

I have taken note that Asami now resents Korra's proximity to Mako. Shenanigans may ensue.

[the_one_54321]

Something very strange is going on.

Amon can spirit bend.

Tarlok can blood bend at will.

There's going to be some big reveal at some point between now and episode 12 or 13. Something that puts all the pieces together, because this is all just a big pile of broken world-rules right now. Obviously, there is a definite connection to the man attacking Team Avatar in Korra's visions and Tarlok, because we were shown that man blood bending right after Tarlok was revealed to blood bend. But that's the only clear cut connection so far.

As for Korra getting her butt kicked, I disagree. I think she kicked the living crap out of Tarlok. But he pulled a deus ex machina on her. Not that it was very badly done. It was a plot changing surprise ability that was introduced in a very interesting way. She couldn't have known he could do that. So had no reason to expect him to recover from the beating she was in the process of handing him.

[Ecaiki]

I find it interesting that so many people are shocked that Toph passed on metal bending. It seems the only thing stopping a bender of the right element is the lack of knowledge. I mean look how long it took the old woman to learn blood bending, and yet Katara learned in a couple of days.

[RedArmyShogun]

It matters not Korra is trapped in the rape van and so far it has no brakes. >>

But yes as to Amon and Tarlock...I'm wondering if they stole some of Aangs power somehow, and thats why Korra is a Failure on the spirital front. I don't know how such a thing would be done, but the strongest warrior in the world was in his flashbacks getting pushed around. Or so it seemed to me.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 05 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[xsdob]

I think it's much more likely that amon and tarrlok have some kind of past relation to each other, explains the reaction and allows them to still be different people.

That would also explain how the 2 have different yet extrodinary powers, just a thought.

Anyway, in my experience if they don't have the same VA then they usually aren't the same person.

[Seagloom]

Liar liar pants on fire! Hanging from a telephone wire!

Modifié par Seagloom, 05 juin 2012 - 11:40 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Wow thats some good back side covering.

[Arch1eviathan]

I don't see a connection what so ever between Amon and Tarok. I think they are both antagonists and it would be really interesting to see them interact. Maybe Tarlok is the true bad guy and Amon is just the product of renagade benders like Tarlok

[Megaton_Hope]

Seagloom wrote...

Space Lincoln? O.o I need to watch more of that show someday.

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Lol space Lincoln? I don't remember that one.

Yes, Space Lincoln. The episode's called "The Savage Curtain." That one actually is one of the better ones.

So anyways, this flashback Korra's been having seems to involve a confrontation with a bloodbender. I am unclear on when exactly this would be in Aang's lifespan, if in the last 20 years or so he's looking fairly young still.

[Naughty Bear]

Just wondering, can a Waterbender manipulate the moisture in the atmosphere? If they can could they manipulate it around them, and make the moisture act like mirrors so light bends around them making them 'invisible'? Also if they could do this, can Waterbenders reflect light and make it act like a magnifying glass? Burning their victims like ants?

[Naughty Bear]

Also in bloodbending, they could make their victims blind by bursting their eyes or ripping limbs off by using all the water inside to seperate? Am I thinking too much into this?

[Megaton_Hope]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Just wondering, can a Waterbender manipulate the moisture in the atmosphere? If they can could they manipulate it around them, and make the moisture act like mirrors so light bends around them making them 'invisible'?

I really doubt that particular application. Refraction doesn't really work like that. You'd be better off making a mist, which would make you invisible to most of the things that you might want to hide from. (Giant mole creatures notwithstanding.)

Lenses you could probably do (ice could be crystallized in just such a way, for example), but lenses don't see much use in battle. Focused light is much less useful for setting things on fire than a molotov cocktail would be. Takes a long time, needs to be tightly focused.

Plus, burning people alive is pretty gruesome for a children's cartoon. Firebenders don't do it much, you'll notice.

[Seagloom]

A bloodbender could probably kill their victim gruesomely if their control over blood is identical to water. I imagine freezing a person's blood to a standstill or shoving spikes through them from the inside. It is easily the most powerful technique in single combat.

Waternemders can manipulate moisture in the atmosphere, yep. We saw Hama do it in The Puppetmaster when she was teaching Katara. She gathered enough moisture to create small ice spikes on her fingertips. I can't imagine creating lenses of sufficient size would be possible unless they were somewhere disgustingly humid.

[Megaton_Hope]

Hama did one thing (with th' flowers) that would certainly be lethal if you did it to a person. I don't expect we'll be seeing it in the show anytime soon.

[Megaton_Hope]

Well, so much for my Tarrlok theory. Amon's something else entirely, a spirit maybe, if bloodbending just plain doesn't affect him. (He doesn't have blood, maybe? Or he wears a coat made of...platinum?)

[Naughty Bear]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

Well, so much for my Tarrlok theory. Amon's something else entirely, a spirit maybe, if bloodbending just plain doesn't affect him. (He doesn't have blood, maybe? Or he wears a coat made of...platinum?)

It would be to heavy to wear, especially if he can easily out maneuver bending abilities simply by dancing side to side.

Korra could bend water and fire together couldn't she? She could burn her victims with boiling water, or boil the water inside a being. Cooking them from the inside out, has a bender done that in the Aang series?

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 09 juin 2012 - 03:33 .

[Seagloom]

Three episodes left! Oh noes!

Today's show was one of my favorite in the entire season. Nice balance between action, drama, and comedy. Meelo was actually funny this time. Tenzin actually subdued enemies with airbending, finally. Lin was totally badass in all her scenes. Metalbending Bolin's zipper up... gah. Got a good giggle out of that one.

I'm a bit disappointed Amon took away Pony Tails Man's bending away. The idea of a conflict between two antagonists with Korra caught in the middle would have been cool. Now that Amon has reasserted himself as sole antagonist, some of the ambiguity set up by this conflict last week is severely diminished.

I haven't theorized personally on Amon's identity before. Now I'm going to take a leap and guess it's Pony Tails Man's father. Yukone or however his name is spelled. Amon was slightly affected by PTM's bloodbending, but seemed to overcome it through sheer strength of will not unlike Katara did in her duel with Hama.

Yukone swore he would retake Republic City. Who is to say he abandoned that goal after Aang stripped him of his bending? It kind of reminds me of Fire & Ice where it was strongly implied Darkwolf was Nekron's father. Nekron tried his body control magic on Darkwolf, and despite it working flawlessly on every other occasion, it mysteriously failed then.

So yeah, my money is on Yukone being Amon's secret identity.

Also, Mako is a jerkface. Asami deserves better.

Modifié par Seagloom, 09 juin 2012 - 03:43 .

[Megaton_Hope]

At first, I thought she was just gesturing to let him know his fly was down. Boundaries, lady. D:

Well, I had thought that Katara was able to shrug it off as a stronger water-bender. I wouldn't suppose a non-bender would benefit from that, although maybe knowing-what's-happening was a factor. Which a former bloodbender would benefit from, anyway.

Yakone's a fairly strong candidate, so far. He'd be in a position to learn "energy bending," anyways. (And learning it from Aang seemed to be pretty much the only way, short of hunting down a lion turtle in island monster limbo.) Maybe they'll verify my theory that an energy-bender can make a person a bender.

You like Bakshi films, Seagloom? I thought that one was weaker than Wizards. The idea of glacier siege engines did make an impression on me, though.

[RedArmyShogun]

I doubt its him as one, look how old he was when last seen. I'm not sure he'ld even be alive. Besides why would he harm his son? More so with what was done to him, how could he even be able to do it?

I think he's far younger than expected, at least around Tarrlok's age. And he has some connection to those events, and learned an ability only the Avitar had. Plus his rants seem real in a manner. Maybe he's someone unexpected like an observer from the court? Or even a brother of Tarrlok.

[Seagloom]

It was way weaker than Wizards, definitely. Wizards had an overarching theme whereas Fire & Ice was a standard adventure story.

Yeah, the energy bending bit is another reason why I suspect Yakone. Up to now I didn't feel there was any evidence pointing toward him when people blindly suggested he was Amon based on a throwaway line from PTM. Now, I don't know who else it can be. There are only three episodes left this season. Unless Amon is series antagonist, there isn't enough time to seed clues to other likely candidates. I suppose he could have no connection to anyone Korra has met or heard of, but that would be so weak if it were true.

Modifié par Seagloom, 09 juin 2012 - 04:08 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Seagloom wrote...

It was way weaker than Wizards, definitely. Wizards had an overarching theme whereas Fire & Ice was a standard adventure story.

Its theme was, like...butts.