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[Homebound]

android654 wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

The day someone in that world invents portable firearms is the day bending is relegated to a hobbyist activity.

Doubt it. A person that can conjure a typhoon or a tornado made of fire is a lot more dangerous than a .45.  Not to mention disarms are like the most common kata in any form of traditional martial arts. Unless that invent tesla guns that can recreate bending, then we've got an issue.

I dunno man, you cant judo chop a gun out of someones hand at 15 metres.

[Seagloom]

android654 wrote...

Doubt it. A person that can conjure a typhoon or a tornado made of fire is a lot more dangerous than a .45.  Not to mention disarms are like the most common kata in any form of traditional martial arts. Unless that invent tesla guns that can recreate bending, then we've got an issue.

Overall, maybe. In personal combat, I doubt it. We've seen benders incapable of standing up to electrified tonfa, gloves, and armored suits. They are also stymied by gas bombs. Take that chase scene two episodes back: the only reason they caught up to the chi blockers was because Asami had googles to shield her eyes. Bending has too many practical limitations technology does not.

android654 wrote...

So, it's official, the Bei Fong family is the most bad ass in the entire Avatar universe.

Don't know about that either. Toph's parents were pampered high society folks. I'm with Il Divo on the Fire Nation royal family. Everyone to come out of it going back to Sozin's era is a warrior badass. Lin is just one generation removed from Toph. That said, those two characters individually are the awesomest.

Modifié par Seagloom, 10 juin 2012 - 04:46 .

[RedArmyShogun]

android654 wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

The day someone in that world invents portable firearms is the day bending is relegated to a hobbyist activity.

Doubt it. A person that can conjure a typhoon or a tornado made of fire is a lot more dangerous than a .45.  Not to mention disarms are like the most common kata in any form of traditional martial arts. Unless that invent tesla guns that can recreate bending, then we've got an issue.

Minus it actully takes time, and for a target to be visable to a bender. A Sniper in a tower half a mile away? Heh he'll get taken out at some point, but how many benders will go down? Nevermind other issues, like Artillery that can bombard from hell the far away, or mounting cannon's on those Mechs, the benders are outmatched and outgunned. Besides we already in the Trailer have proof that bending fails to technology.

Or am I the only one that seen the Equalists Airforce sending the fleet of battleships to the bottom?

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 10 juin 2012 - 04:55 .

[android654]

Seagloom wrote...

android654 wrote...

Doubt it. A person that can conjure a typhoon or a tornado made of fire is a lot more dangerous than a .45.  Not to mention disarms are like the most common kata in any form of traditional martial arts. Unless that invent tesla guns that can recreate bending, then we've got an issue.

Overall, maybe. In personal combat, I doubt it. We've seen benders incapable of standing up to electrified tonfa, gloves, and armored suits. They are also stymied by gas bombs. Take that chase scene two episodes back: the only reason they caught up to the chi blockers was because Asami had googles to shield her eyes. Bending has too many practical limitations technology does not.

android654 wrote...

So, it's official, the Bei Fong family is the most bad ass in the entire Avatar universe.

Don't know about that either. Toph's parents were pampered high society folks. I'm with Il Divo on the Fire Nation royal family. Everyone to come out of it going back to Sozin's era is a warrior badass. Lin is just one generation removed from Toph. That said, those two characters individually are the awesomest.

There are entire schools of martial arts devoted entirely to disarming weapons. I think Systema has like 40 different ways to disarm a left handed weapon with you're right hand alone. What the Equalists have in their favor is that tesla technology allows them to shoot electricity at a great range. That and their biggest competition are pro-athletes. Yeah Bolin and his brother are decent in their skills, but living like Aang and the others did is a big difference from just hanging out in a gym. Toph at 11 was clearly more skilled than Korra's buddies are in their mid teens. That's why they have an easier time knocking people out, all of the warriors from the last generation are all but gone from the world.

I think that works to their benefit. Toph had this whole double life and rejected her money and nobility in order to become this nomadic warrior. She even founded the first police force. Which is kind of counter to her personality, but I'll let it slide. Her influence is obvious in her daughter. I think Lin would make Azula crack in fear.

What the royal fire family had was jealousy vibrating through generations. It's actually what ruined them. Were it not for Iroh, who has the reputation of being the most ruthless in the family, and his reformation the entire family would've just been sociopaths. Nothing bad ass about a bunch of pampered rich kids being upset about not having the world given to them.

[Homebound]

i still think a gun is an advantage, even in the bending world.

[RedArmyShogun]

No A gun is a huge advantage, Andioid just has some mighty damn good kool-aid in his house.

No Martial Art I'm sorry to say can disarm a gunman at range. Nevermind the heavy weapons. It doesn't matter if your the best most kick ass black belt in the world. On open Ground, or even in a hall, if a man has the advantage of at the least of 50 feet, and is aware, he has you. You are dead.

The Japanese learned that the hard way many a time against the US military. And the European Armies in WW1. Charging a fixed position is suicide unless stealth is in use, or you have thousands of men and hundreds of Coffin's.

In the less than 50 foot range, there are a couple of tactis, but the most effective ones are less than 6 feet away. And frankly only work in hostage situtations or when dealing with criminals. Not trained Armies that know better than to do something that stupid. In close quarters it can varry as even today we have recorded cases of US and Insurgant forces getting into, and more importantly using knives and knife fighting range. But that is the Excpetion.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 10 juin 2012 - 05:06 .

[The King of Dust]

Nothing says benders can't use tech to their advantage however. The nice thing about tech is that it can be used by anyone. I could see metal-benders of the future learning a thing or two from the equalists and supplementing their arsenal with electricity.

On another subject, I'm looking forward to seeing why excatly Amon always does his energy bending while standing behind his target, while Aang stands facing them. Everytime we see Amon energy bend, he's in the same position, which is completely different from Aang. I'm pretty darn sure this is significant somehow.

Modifié par The King of Dust, 10 juin 2012 - 05:51 .

[Seagloom]

It's true benders can also take advantage of technology, but I think the argument is more about how bending alone measures up to it.

I agree with Confess-A-Bear. No disarming technique is going to mean spit without closing the distance. Bending could increase a person's effective range for that purpose, but it will not allow them to reach even half the length of a football field unless we are talking avatar state caliber power. And if there is more than one assailant to take out, it's over. Guns were coined the great equalizer for a reason.

I still disagree about the Fire Nation royal family. If we are talking about pure martial skill, they all excelled at it. The exception we are aware of is Azula and Zuko's mother; and she married into the family. Based purely on numbers we are talking four generations of accomplished warriors; and in Azula's case, an outright prodigy.

I define badass in this context as skill and power. Toph and Lin definitely have it, but last I checked two characters in two generations is less than seven characters in four generations.

Modifié par Seagloom, 10 juin 2012 - 06:28 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Yeah, firearms have an advantage in speed and rage over most forms of bending. The cold-blooded fire is practically the only exception, and that's still outclassed range-wise by a rifle. (Aiming lightning should be incredibly difficult, even if you can generate it, because it wants to go to ground. Also a problem with a "Tesla gun.")

Electrifying those cable whips would be pretty fearsome. For that matter, putting the reels in those taser fists would be a good place to store 'em, as opposed to wearing it on your back. Still only shoots out as fast as the reel can spin, which realistically should not be all that fast.

I will say, though, that an earthbender should be up to tackling most any threat - since earth is almost always available, and can be used both defensively and offensively. (Including at range, as the Dai Li demonstrated.) I'd question how useful a single earthbender would be against a Hotchkiss gun, but that's mainly a matter of how fragile the kind of cover earthbenders can generate on short notice seems to be.

Added bonus, earth tents. Earth tents would be so handy.

[RedArmyShogun]

Yeah Earth Benders would be the only problem, plus Metal Benders, thats what you'ld need the Artillery for, or as we've seen in the trailer, Bomb dropping Airplanes.

To put things into view, the Equalist Versus the Benders as it stands now is like the Imperial Powers versus the Boxer Rebelion, or Japan Versus almost everyone in the way, in 1941.

The Benders are much like all turn of the Century traditional forces, The Calvery Troops in no mans land, The French in WW2, Iraq in desert Storm, Greece Versus Rome, The mounted knight versus the peasent with a musket, they are sticking to traditional means against an opponet with the latest tech and new ways of battle.

The Question is, will the Benders stay like this?

Or Will they Do as the Russians and Americans did post 42,  Rome After Carthage, or the Greeks to the Persians. That remains to be seen. Can they learn and adapt. I still expect republic city to be lost however.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 10 juin 2012 - 07:18 .

[Homebound]

Is anyone else wierded out by the fact that the firebender guy has the hots for Aang in a teenaged girl's body?

[Megaton_Hope]

Actually, modern repeating arms were wreaking hell on massed infantry already in the mid 19th century. Hell if I know why it took 'em until World War I to figure that out. Been getting worse and worse since designs have gotten more and more portable.

Avatar world's having its technical revolutions in a different order than we did. Air and armor came along very early. Fixed fortifications (Ba Sing Se being the exemplar) hung around late. Steam, electricity, and radio seem to have come in a discount bundle. Mechanized battlesuits seem to be ahead of us - and their zeppelins are oddly solid compared to ours.

Personally, I'm waiting to see what they do with the internet.

[RedArmyShogun]

No More than I had a problem with a Water Tribe Teenager being hot over a 100+ year old frozen Kioshi in the body of a little boy.

[Megaton_Hope]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

No More than I had a problem with a Water Tribe Teenager being hot over a 100+ year old frozen Kioshi in the body of a little boy.

Hey, there's a whole lot of Kiyoshi to go around.

[Naughty Bear]

So Korra does what Tenzin's wife did and takes Mako away, Asami is going to become the next Beifong.

[ObserverStatus]

Naughty Bear wrote...

So Korra does what Tenzin's wife did and takes Mako away, Asami is going to become the next Beifong.

I was thinking that Mako did what Ty Lee and Mai did and done thrown Asami under the bus who goes to become the next Azula, but yeah, your theory makes much more sense.

Modifié par bobobo878, 10 juin 2012 - 09:39 .

[Il Divo]

Not to side track the current conversation, but one other thing I loved about the latest episode? Aang's air scooter no longer runs out when he was fighting Yakone. So cool.

[Il Divo]

jreezy wrote...

Naughty Bear wrote...

So Korra does what Tenzin's wife did and takes Mako away, Asami is going to become the next Beifong.

Lin is freaking awesome so I'm okay with that happening.

Honestly, I could see them play up the traitor angle, depending on if the Equalist plot continues into season two. Asami sided against her father, suddenly she notices herself being replaced, questions her decision, and someone convinces her to do something rash. We have our potential Judas.

[Megaton_Hope]

They're definitely leading up to SOMEthing with Asami.

[xsdob]

What if amon has some kind of connection to Koh?

[xsdob]

jreezy wrote...

xsdob wrote...

What if amon has some kind of connection to Koh?

The face stealer Koh?

Yeah, maybe they made some sort of deal and now amon has the power to overcome peoples bending abilites or something.

This is just wild speculation and maybe a little bit of a wish to see more of that guy.