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[Megaton_Hope]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks Amon doesn´t remove bending, just seals it? What he does reminds me of when Azula accidentaly sealed Aang´s Avatar state after hitting one of his chakras.

She didn't seal his chakra, she killed him dead. It's only Katara's timely healing and access to water from the spirit oasis that kept him walking around afterward.

[android654]

That's how they introduced it, but it's not the reason. He had to meet with a guru to teach him how to unlock his blocked chakra (the heart) which was preventing him from reaching the avatar state, not losing to Azula.

Modifié par android654, 17 juin 2012 - 02:28 .

[Naughty Bear]

So Lin also bites the dust.

[KT Chong]

My prediction for the finale:

Korra will enter the Avatar state for the first time when Amon tries to take away her bending.

And here comes the big unexpected shocking twist: Amon will still take away Korra's bending even when Korra is in the Avatar state.

Modifié par KT Chong, 17 juin 2012 - 03:01 .

[Capt. Obvious]

jollyorigins wrote...

Oh goddammit that episode broke my heart, especially Lin sacrificing herself like that. And I'll just go with the most logical choice that General Iroh is Zuko's son as a) Same teen voice and Zuko liked Iroh.

Welp looking forward to the finale then, hoping it will be spectacular. I get the impression Asami will sell out the gang out of jealousy or something, seems a bit generic but hey anything could go I guess.

God, I hope not. Asami joining the Equalists just because of relationship problems would be bad writing on Bryke's part.

[Nerevar-as]

android654 wrote...

That's how they introduced it, but it's not the reason. He had to meet with a guru to teach him how to unlock his blocked chakra (the heart) which was preventing him from reaching the avatar state, not losing to Azula.

He couldn´t go Avatar until Ozai hit him in the same spot, so I think Azula´s lightning was the reason, Aang could go Avatar involuntarily before meeting the guru, yet after the fight with Azula he never did until the ending despite some hard fights. The way I understood that episode, Aang had already opened the heart chakra (Goodbye Katara) and did transform of his own will, then Azula hit him.

I´m also having trouble believing they´ll depower so many characters permanently.

[android654]

That's not what happened at all. Aang never finished his training with the guru and left halfway to rescue Azula. The guru warned him that leaving in the middle of his training would leave him unable to reach it again.

[Megaton_Hope]

He did enter the avatar state, though - he was rising up glowing from his little crystal shield when Azula shot him. My understanding was that he'd completed opening the last chakra on his own, like they said above.

Found the relevant quotes on the IMDB, anyway:

Guru Pathik: Learn to let her go. Or you cannot let the pure cosmic energy flow in from the universe.
Aang: Why would I choose pure cosmic energy over Katara? How could it be a bad thing that I feel an attachment to her? Three chakras ago that was a good thing!
Guru Pathik: You must learn to let go.

Toph: So what's your strategy for taking him down? Gonna get your glow on and hit him with a little Avatar State action?
Aang: I can't. When Azula shot me with lightning, my seventh chakra was locked, cutting off my connection to all the cosmic energy in the universe.
Toph: You know what I just heard? Blah blah spiritual mumbo jumbo blah blah something about space.

I had thought that Aang was telling the gospel truth when I heard the second quote there the first time, and it was all a result of "dying." I think now that he'd opened the chakra momentarily or incompletely, and thus enabled that brief rise in a voluntary avatar state, but failed to really detach himself from his feelings for Katara as Guru Pathik wanted him to do. So, in order not to embarrass himself in front of the gang, he was fibbing about why he can't do it.

Fighting Ozai, I think it was just life-threatening danger again - with the emotional prod of pain in the scar from being killed by Azula.

[RedArmyShogun]

Both of you are right. And Wrong actully.

Let me look up the Eps time line to see if I'm right, but I think he failed the training to start with, took a bolt of lightning to the chest, then redid the training and finished it.

Could be wrong though, all I know for sure is a lightning bolt did drop his ass.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 17 juin 2012 - 04:35 .

[android654]

Right, because in the beginning he could only unlock the avatar state through extreme anger or fear. I still think the heart chakra is the reason he couldn't control the avatar state. I also think that's what Amon has learned to block off from the other benders.

[RedArmyShogun]

Actully that still makes me wonder. Has Amon really taken away bending of those he touches. Or has he found an off switch so to speak. Powers are still in the benders, they just can't activate them.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 17 juin 2012 - 04:40 .

[addiction21]

Naga got the slap the hell out of whatever his name is. That is all that matters... well and the Airbenders got a chance to shine.

[android654]

I don't think you could take it away completely, since bending is genetic. Is there's a way to take it away or give it to anyone, Amon would've made all his people energy benders. I think it's just an off-switch he's found.

[RedArmyShogun]

Honestly I call him Mr Mustache. I do wonder who he is though. Shows up alot.

[Megaton_Hope]

Chakra-blocking might be plausible. It'd offer re-training as a possibility, without necessarily being as involved for Amon to do as whatever it is Aang was doing to Ozai.

[android654]

Aang's different though. He's a god. The physical embodiment of nature as a whole. It makes sense that the source of a benders power can remove it, but Amon isn't the avatar. He could only be doing this in a way that's different from Aang's method.

[RedArmyShogun]

jreezy wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Both of you are right. And Wrong actully.

Let me look up the Eps time line to see if I'm right, but I think he failed the training to start with, took a bolt of lightning to the chest, then redid the training and finished it.

Could be wrong though, all I know for sure is a lightning bolt did drop his ass.

He was voluntarily activating the avatar state when Azula killed him. Dying was supposed to remove it forever according to Roku.

Activating isn't the same as Controlling, reguardless Roku was obviously wrong, or makybe he gaver her up to activate it, something along those lines, point is the SeaLionTurtle Island fixed whatever was broke.

Actully I'm postive thats what happend.

He ran off, but then when his girl was about to die, he gave her up, finishing the training, while transforming got a bolt of lightning for his troubles. Saved by Katara, had the Avatar door shut, till that turtlte island helped him.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 17 juin 2012 - 04:54 .

[Megaton_Hope]

android654 wrote...

Aang's different though. He's a god. The physical embodiment of nature as a whole. It makes sense that the source of a benders power can remove it, but Amon isn't the avatar. He could only be doing this in a way that's different from Aang's method.

I don't think it was ever outright stated in canon that this was a technique only the avatar could do. It was a technique that only Aang (and an anomalous no-place lion turtle) actually knew, but that's not precisely the same thing.

[KT Chong]

The whole "Amon is the (other) Avatar because Azula split the Avatar spirit when she killed Aang" and "Amon is Aang" hypotheses are the dumbest and most illogical I've heard. Either one would have been the most awful plot twist.

FYI: the next book/season will be titled, "Spirit".

Modifié par KT Chong, 17 juin 2012 - 06:52 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Its possible the Lion Turtle Island could have taught Amon. Its more stupid that either if he just learned it himself.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 17 juin 2012 - 06:55 .

[Naughty Bear]

Got a question, if Korra got her bending abilities removed, would the Avatar spirit die and there would be no more Avatars after her or will she be classed as 'dead' and the next Avatar will be born as soon as she has her's removed?

[android654]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Its possible the Lion Turtle Island could have taught Amon. Its more stupid that either if he just learned it himself.

Which is why I think it's plausible that he's not human at all. I still have a suspicion that he's Koh.