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I agree with most of this. I think they should have left Korra powerless at the end of the finale. Having her lose her powers for a whopping five minutes of show time was fairly pointless, other than to give her an excuse to airbend.

I was hoping that they would make it so she would have to relearn all the bending skills through actual spiritual and emotional breakthroughs (which she said herself was her biggest weakness), rather than the physical side of bending (which always came naturally ot her).

But, instead... Aang showed up and hand waved it all, and gave her the ability to restore bending, which fixed everything magically.

The lack of focus or purpose might kill this show. Which is a shame, since it had some really amazing evolutions of the original world created and a more dark and realistic story.


Just about sums it up for me. I still think it's a great series, but I would have loved for more continuity between the seasons, similar to TLA.

But I think even more than Aang restoring Korra's bending, what bothered me most was the extremely weak explanation of Amon's energy-bending.

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Well, I'm a newcomer to the world of Avatar (no, not that one) and, as you might have guessed, I started with "The Legend of Korra." This means that I know nothing of this world beyond what Korra has shown me and, consequently, my lore will suffer for it. If you think you can enjoy a non-lore friendly review of this show, by all means read on.

I think I'll break it down to positives and negatives. Let's start with the positives.

Positives:

- I like the setting. I'm a fan of Jade Empire and this show reminded me of it. I like how it blends bending and non-bending, kind of like the struggle between magic and technology, and at the center of it all is the Avatar, a being capable of bending the four elements tasked with the duty of bringing balance.

- I love the music. It's easily one of the strongest points of the show and I'm looking forward to a soundtrack being released.

- I like most, if not all, of the characters. My favourites have to be Tenzin's family, those three little bundles of energy that at times drive Korra (and other characters as well) crazy. This ties in with my next point...

- I like the humor. Whether it's Korra's expression after Ikki's revelation to Asami about her feelings for Mako, or how the music accompanies Tenzin's recollection of his relationship with Lin Beifong only to be cut abruptly, the show still manages to find the humor even during its darkest episodes.

- I like the art style. I've never been much of a fan of anime but, for some reason, LoK seems to work for me.

Negatives:

- I'm not sure how I feel about metal benders and blood benders and whatever other benders that might appear down the road. I simply don't want it to become like Saint Seiya where we ended up having the knights of jade, steel, etc. besides bronze, silver and gold. I think four elements work and maybe even a fifth if we're feeling mystical. Like I said, I know nothing of the lore, so maybe what I'm saying here is tantamount to profanity, but I don't want the show to keep inventing benders in order to present new challenges.

- On taking away a person's bending ability. Again, I don't know about the lore, but I would like it if the show explored a different avenue, in particular, that bending is not something that can be taken away from someone. I thought they might explore this with Korra in season two after Amon takes away her powers. I told myself, "this is setting us up for season two where Korra will learn that bending is something so strongly connected to one's self that cannot be taken away by anyone and will thus re-connect with her powers and become the Avatar." It would have been an impressive journey where Korra would have learned some humility at seeing how non-benders cope (okay, she can air-bend but she still lost 3/4 of her powers). Instead we have Aang restoring her powers at the last minute. I can understand the show might have done this in an attempt to tie up all loose ends. After all, nowadays shows have no guarantee of making it to a second season. Still, if my idea isn't lore-breaking, I think it'd be worth exploring.

- The bad guy. I honestly thought it'd turn out to be Tarrlok. Like Korra pointed out in one episode, Tarrlok's actions were only helping Amon's cause, lending credence to the belief that benders considered themselves better than the rest and abused their powers. Beifong correctly points out to Korra in the first episode how she did more damage than the thugs would have done in trying to "do the right thing," so even benders with good intentions can end up doing a lot of damage if they act irresponsibly. But, yes, even if it would have felt a little too familiar, Tarrlok being Amon would have made more sense. Instead, we were treated to the real bad guy's story in the last episode of the show and it really comes out of the left field.

- Korra's training. After that second episode where Korra learns to be the "leaf in the wind" while playing a pro-bending match, it seemed like her training took on a secondary role in favour of the romantic triangle between Korra, Asami, and Mako and a good deal more of pro-bending matches that disaplyed the team's inner conflicts. In fact, I think it was the only episode that actually focused on air-bending. Not until the last episode do we see Korra air-bend against the main villain, after losing the rest of her bending powers.

In summation, I still think it's a great show that has to work on some of the characters a little more and should also explore the art (is it an art?) of bending more thoroughly. Oh, and Beifong is easily the most badass character in the show.

I look forward to season two.:)

My thanks to spirosz for introducing me to this world.;)

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Alright, now go watch the original series. There's an even more badass Beifong in it. And they also explore bending a bit more thoroughly and develop the characters more.

On your first negative point, blood bending is just an advanced technique of water bending. Same goes for metal bending, which is an advanced technique of earth bending. Any earth-bender that is skilled enough can learn metal bending. Same thing for water benders learning bloodbending. Fire benders have lightning, and air benders got twinkly toes.

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When is season 2 coming out anyway? I hope they severely cut down on the crappy romance plots cause those sucked so bad, Also, pace them better, because that Mako guy ended up looking like a total douche who couldn't make up his damned mind. The show turned into a massive character shipping mess. The original had a bit of romance but it was tolerable.

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OdanUrr wrote...

Well, I'm a newcomer to the world of Avatar (no, not that one) and, as you might have guessed, I started with "The Legend of Korra." This means that I know nothing of this world beyond what Korra has shown me and, consequently, my lore will suffer for it. If you think you can enjoy a non-lore friendly review of this show, by all means read on.

Welcome aboard the good ship! I'll give a few lore-points or personal thoughts without spoiling the first series, while heartily recommending you go check it out.

I think I'll break it down to positives and negatives. Let's start with the positives.

Positives:

- I like the setting. I'm a fan of Jade Empire and this show reminded me of it. I like how it blends bending and non-bending, kind of like the struggle between magic and technology, and at the center of it all is the Avatar, a being capable of bending the four elements tasked with the duty of bringing balance.

I agree it was fun, and I did enjoy the steampunk aspects myself. You'll probably find the first series far more Jade Empire-esque: pre-industrial revolution, feudal, and otherwise great cultural variety without much in the way of technology... at least till the end.

- I love the music. It's easily one of the strongest points of the show and I'm looking forward to a soundtrack being released.

It's not quite the same, but the Avatar wiki has the tracks here. Avatar definitely has a gift for sound.

- I like most, if not all, of the characters. My favourites have to be Tenzin's family, those three little bundles of energy that at times drive Korra (and other characters as well) crazy. This ties in with my next point...

- I like the humor. Whether it's Korra's expression after Ikki's revelation to Asami about her feelings for Mako, or how the music accompanies Tenzin's recollection of his relationship with Lin Beifong only to be cut abruptly, the show still manages to find the humor even during its darkest episodes.

- I like the art style. I've never been much of a fan of anime but, for some reason, LoK seems to work for me.

Yes, yes, and yes again. Avatar has something for everyone, from character types to one-liners, and the animation style has definite anime influences while still being western. They brought in actual martial artists to study for the fighting styles, and a good strength of the animation is its adherence to quasi-realistic body movements.

Negatives:

- I'm not sure how I feel about metal benders and blood benders and whatever other benders that might appear down the road. I simply don't want it to become like Saint Seiya where we ended up having the knights of jade, steel, etc. besides bronze, silver and gold. I think four elements work and maybe even a fifth if we're feeling mystical. Like I said, I know nothing of the lore, so maybe what I'm saying here is tantamount to profanity, but I don't want the show to keep inventing benders in order to present new challenges.

It's a very sound concern, and you'll be relieved to know there's a very in-lore rational for these variations. I could explain the technicals, if you were interested, but they make the cornerstones of excellent episodes in the original so I won't spoil it unless asked.

- On taking away a person's bending ability. Again, I don't know about the lore, but I would like it if the show explored a different avenue, in particular, that bending is not something that can be taken away from someone. I thought they might explore this with Korra in season two after Amon takes away her powers. I told myself, "this is setting us up for season two where Korra will learn that bending is something so strongly connected to one's self that cannot be taken away by anyone and will thus re-connect with her powers and become the Avatar." It would have been an impressive journey where Korra would have learned some humility at seeing how non-benders cope (okay, she can air-bend but she still lost 3/4 of her powers). Instead we have Aang restoring her powers at the last minute. I can understand the show might have done this in an attempt to tie up all loose ends. After all, nowadays shows have no guarantee of making it to a second season. Still, if my idea isn't lore-breaking, I think it'd be worth exploring.

I completely agree: it was a deus ex machina that took away such a potent development arc, especially if you consider the parallels to the first series in which the development of the abilities was a cornerstone of the story's progress. Korra more or less came in to the show at the end-game of the first series, which was great for the timing restrictions but still.


But really, the moment right before the deus ex? When Korra is at the cliff, and you could even see it as a potential suicide about to happen? Thrilling moment before it went Happy Go Joy Joy.

- The bad guy. I honestly thought it'd turn out to be Tarrlok. Like Korra pointed out in one episode, Tarrlok's actions were only helping Amon's cause, lending credence to the belief that benders considered themselves better than the rest and abused their powers. Beifong correctly points out to Korra in the first episode how she did more damage than the thugs would have done in trying to "do the right thing," so even benders with good intentions can end up doing a lot of damage if they act irresponsibly. But, yes, even if it would have felt a little too familiar, Tarrlok being Amon would have made more sense. Instead, we were treated to the real bad guy's story in the last episode of the show and it really comes out of the left field.

Well, Tarrlok was the bad guy: Amon might have been the antagonist, but wasn't he right?

I thought the writers did well in embracing a morally difficult question, but I have to wonder if I got the wrong message when I started sympathizing more with Amon and the Equalists than for Korra. For all that Amon was the Bad Guy, the subject of Korra's fears, he both backed a legitimate grievance with an overall measured revolution. Despite the rhetoric of how benders should fear and the obvious 'only bad guys target children', the Equalist Revolt was almost merciful: the benders were not killed, they were not oppressed, and we don't have much to suggest they were targetted or persecuted by the Equalists after having their powers taken from them.

There's definite validity on questions of consent, of individuality, but Korra's fears had far more to do with how she wouldn't be special anymore than about how bad it would be to be, well, normal. For all she and all the other benders treated it like a fate worse than death, they really needed more normal characters to go 'uh, I manage.'


Bah, I could go on and on. I felt the way Amon was resolved was disappointing, but I won't go on here until you've seen the original series.

In summation, I still think it's a great show that has to work on some of the characters a little more and should also explore the art (is it an art?) of bending more thoroughly. Oh, and Beifong is easily the most badass character in the show.

If you think she's cool...

I look forward to season two.:)

My thanks to spirosz for introducing me to this world.;)

I'm not spirosz, but I'm glad you came!

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*spoilers for The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra incoming*



Dean_the_Young wrote...

I completely agree: it was a deus ex machina that took away such a potent development arc, especially if you consider the parallels to the first series in which the development of the abilities was a cornerstone of the story's progress. Korra more or less came in to the show at the end-game of the first series, which was great for the timing restrictions but still.


But really, the moment right before the deus ex? When Korra is at the cliff, and you could even see it as a potential suicide about to happen? Thrilling moment before it went Happy Go Joy Joy.


In general, I feel like the writers always seem to stumble when it comes to the energy bending plot point, an issue I had with both TLA's and LoK's finales. With TLA, there is the magic introduction of the "I can't kill another human being" plot point for Aang in the last four episodes of the series, which previously hadn't occurred to any of the cast members.

With Korra, I was really happy to see the writers (initially) making a plot point of what seemed a Deus Ex Machina at the conclusion of TLA. Amon's taking away everyone's bending and first reaction is: "Wait, I thought only the Avatar could do that?". I was a bit disappointed to see that the actual answer was as mundane as blood-bending, . Even more, the mechanics of how Amon can take away Korra's bending, but air is somehow excluded because she hadn't discovered it yet is a bit sketchy. Personally, I think the writers should have just allowed the Avatar State to undue Amon's actions via energy-bending. After all, the Avatar State was answer to TLA's finale, why not Korra's?

Just some of my thoughts.

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Il, you mind blurring those ATLA spoilers out of your post, for the benefit of Odan?

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My main complaint and I think I said it in the early pages, was the pacing and development for certain characters and the storyline for season one. I must ask, is there any official reasoning to having less episodes compared to ATLA? It doesn't make sense to me and I think that ties in with the pacing. It needed a few more episodes to flow better, otherwise it would of worked out better for me.

Personally though, I love, absolutely love the original series and I'm really excited for the potential of Korra, especially with the whole "spirit" aspect. I really hope Koh plays a role... especially since he even states to Aang "I will see you again"... can't wait.

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My main complaint and I think I said it in the early pages, was the pacing and development for certain characters and the storyline for season one. I must ask, is there any official reasoning to having less episodes compared to ATLA? It doesn't make sense to me and I think that ties in with the pacing. It needed a few more episodes to flow better, otherwise it would of worked out better for me.

I believe that's a big issue with its pacing problems as well. This first season definitely needed more episodes.

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spirosz wrote...

My main complaint and I think I said it in the early pages, was the pacing and development for certain characters and the storyline for season one. I must ask, is there any official reasoning to having less episodes compared to ATLA? It doesn't make sense to me and I think that ties in with the pacing. It needed a few more episodes to flow better, otherwise it would of worked out better for me.

Personally though, I love, absolutely love the original series and I'm really excited for the potential of Korra, especially with the whole "spirit" aspect. I really hope Koh plays a role... especially since he even states to Aang "I will see you again"... can't wait.

I think I can answer that, Korra's first season was concieved as a miniseires used as sort of a trial run. The show was supposed to wrap up in 12 episodes originally so the main conflicts (the equalists and Korra's lack of airbending) had to be not only introduced but resolved in that time frame along with various characters and their subplots, since no one was sure the show was going to take off with a new set of characters(including a new lead) and a different setting. It wasn't after the 12 episodes aired that an agreement was reach to have 52 episodes of the show total.

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Greylycantrope wrote...

I think I can answer that, Korra's first season was concieved as a miniseires used as sort of a trial run. The show was supposed to wrap up in 12 episodes originally so the main conflicts (the equalists and Korra's lack of airbending) had to be not only introduced but resolved in that time frame along with various characters and their subplots, since no one was sure the show was going to take off with a new set of characters(including a new lead) and a different setting. It wasn't after the 12 episodes aired that an agreement was reach to have 52 episodes of the show total.


That's the thing that confused me though, ATLA was going off of what exactly, before they released originally and it had 20 episodes. 

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That's the thing that confused me though, ATLA was going off of what exactly, before they released originally and it had 20 episodes. 

Guess they were a bit more confident in the concept of ATLA. Korra being a female lead might have made the network more cautious depending on who their target demographic was. I remember early inteviews and articles asking if people were ready for a tomboyish hero and if it would be a worthy follow up to ATLA.

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Greylycantrope wrote...

spirosz wrote...
That's the thing that confused me though, ATLA was going off of what exactly, before they released originally and it had 20 episodes.

Guess they were a bit more confident in the concept of ATLA. Korra being a female lead might have been made the network more cautious depend on who their target demographic was. I remember early inteviews and articles asking if people were ready for a tomboyish hero and if it would be a worthy follow up to the ATLA.


And it sure as well did IMO, I like what she represents. She's a strong, defiant and opposite of Aang sort of vibes, which I love. They both have a lot of correlations between each other, but they both have a very distinctive way of dealing with things, that define them.

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OdanUrr wrote...

*snip*

My thanks to spirosz for introducing me to this world.;)


On the whole metal-bending aspect and blood-bending, these are touched upon during ATLA, which are sort of spoilerish because of the characters arcs, but otherwise, it makes sense in the "bending world".  

And no problem!  Now go watch ATLA!!!!!!!!!  :lol:

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...air benders got twinkly toes.

Lol I hadn't even thought about the fact that they lack some kind of alternate technique tied to their bending. "Twinkly Toes" helped Aang a bunch of times so maybe that's not a bad technique.

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And it sure as well did IMO, I like what she represents. She's a strong, defiant and opposite of Aang sort of vibes, which I love. They both have a lot of correlations between each other, but they both have a very distinctive way of dealing with things, that define them.

Certainly, though I can understand the hesitation, female leads in an action/adventure series aren't too common and the male fan base isn't always receptive of the idea.

Though Korra(and the writers) actually summed up my feelings on the issue very well in episode 1:
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spirosz wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

I think I can answer that, Korra's first season was concieved as a miniseires used as sort of a trial run. The show was supposed to wrap up in 12 episodes originally so the main conflicts (the equalists and Korra's lack of airbending) had to be not only introduced but resolved in that time frame along with various characters and their subplots, since no one was sure the show was going to take off with a new set of characters(including a new lead) and a different setting. It wasn't after the 12 episodes aired that an agreement was reach to have 52 episodes of the show total.


That's the thing that confused me though, ATLA was going off of what exactly, before they released originally and it had 20 episodes. 

I can't recall the source, but IIRC Avatar the Last Airbender more or less had it's de-facto trial run of the episodes through the Blue Spirit. That was more or less the point they ran with it for the entire first season, and looked at the second season after the first's reception.

Early on, ATLA has the structure of a series that wasn't sure of its own future: a variety of one-shot episodes that began to introduce the world, yes, but which also could have been cut off early without leaving a concrete plot behind. It was only well into the first season that they started really building the character arcs that would be carried forward.

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Greylycantrope wrote...

spirosz wrote...
That's the thing that confused me though, ATLA was going off of what exactly, before they released originally and it had 20 episodes. 

Guess they were a bit more confident in the concept of ATLA. Korra being a female lead might have made the network more cautious depending on who their target demographic was. I remember early inteviews and articles asking if people were ready for a tomboyish hero and if it would be a worthy follow up to ATLA.

Korra also has a pretty heavy style shift: steampunk is far less mainstream than feudal-fantasy, and the Equalist plotline is far more morally ambiguous than most of the Avatar setting. Even without Korra herself, who is definitely antithetical to Aang, you could look at quite a bit of Korra and go 'it's too different.'

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Greylycantrope wrote...

spirosz wrote...
And it sure as well did IMO, I like what she represents. She's a strong, defiant and opposite of Aang sort of vibes, which I love. They both have a lot of correlations between each other, but they both have a very distinctive way of dealing with things, that define them.

Certainly, though I can understand the hesitation, female leads in an action/adventure series aren't too common and the male fan base isn't always receptive of the idea.

Though Korra(and the writers) actually summed up my feelings on the issue very well in episode 1:
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:lol:

I love that moment: it's Korra at her most basic, brash and headstrong, and at the same time I can't help that it's aimed as much at the fans as anyone else. Korra might not be the best Avatar, but make no mistake: she leads her group.

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I hate the Legend of Korra... The original Avatar was spectaculous, but this one is terrible. It feels nothing like Avatar! I like to think of it as some random loser's dream he had one night after he watched a lot of Last Airbender and had a lot to drink.

* I mean no offense to people who like the show. *

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vortex216 wrote...

I hate the Legend of Korra... The original Avatar was spectaculous, but this one is terrible. It feels nothing like Avatar! I like to think of it as some random loser's dream he had one night after he watched a lot of Last Airbender and had a lot to drink.

* I mean no offense to people who like the show. *


Well, what don't you like? 

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I hate the Legend of Korra... The original Avatar was spectaculous, but this one is terrible. It feels nothing like Avatar! I like to think of it as some random loser's dream he had one night after he watched a lot of Last Airbender and had a lot to drink.

* I mean no offense to people who like the show. *

I usually hate unconstructive criticism of things I like but that word "spectaculous" saved you from my fanboyish wrath.

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Well, here I am again, having watched all three seasons of ATLA. My first impression is that the target audience shifted between ATLA and Korra. Whereas Korra seems to be targeted at teenagers, ATLA's target audience are kids. This is not to say other age groups can't enjoy either series since the themes explored are pretty much universal.

Another important difference is that Aang can only air-bend at the beginning of the series whereas Korra can bend everything but air. This seems like an extremely puzzling choice for Korra considering what I learnt from ATLA, mainly, that a bender has most difficulty mastering the element that's opposite of his or her own. Since Korra is a water-bender the element she should have the most difficulty mastering is fire. This is not the case, however, and I can see a couple of reasons why. First, Aang himself says that his training as an air-bender focused on defense and Korra is strictly an offensive player who'd rather fight every other day of the week. In this respect, an air-bender's training would seem radically different from Korra's personality. Second, the creators of the series might have wanted to try something different. If Korra had to learn the elements from scratch, it might be too reminiscent of Aang's own journey. In this way, the series can focus on what challenges still await the Avatar even after she has mastered the elements.

ATLA is divided into three books, each focusing on Aang's quest to master a particular element: water, earth, fire. In my case, the first one was a bit slow but maybe that's because I was used to Korra's rather frantic pacing. Also, not until the second book do we start to see some serious character development, mostly with Sokka and Zuko. I don't know why but Aang and Katara always seemed rather static to me. Personally, there came a point in season two where I thought to myself, "I'm more interested in Zuko's story than in the Avatar's, imagine that." I felt that there was more "wisdom" to be found in the chats between Zuko and his uncle, Iroh. Unfortunately, Zuko's story trudged rather than flowed in book two and I was a bit disappointed that its climax returned us to square one. Well, almost. Book three tells us that Zuko's act of betrayal was the final crucible and the one that made him realize what kind of man he wanted to be. Personally, I think it was mostly a case that the writers didn't want him to turn good until book three, and even then he joins Team Avatar around episode 12 if I'm not mistaken. That late in the game, the writers were forced to have him do "companion quests" in order to create bonds that would have taken at least another season. It is good that the writers acknowledge this by having Toph saying it out loud in one of the latter episodes of book three, where she insists on trekking with Zuko because everyone else "went on a life-changing trip" with him. In fact, I've noticed that the writers seem to use Toph a lot when they want to acknowledge their oversights.

This seems like the moment to talk about Toph but I'm going with Sokka first. I do believe his character grew a lot from the first season. From a wannabe warrior he turned into a skilled fighter and smart strategist. I like how "Sokka's Master" acknowledged the issue of him being the only non-bender in the group and how he felt about that. For a while it had felt like Sokka was "the comic relief guy" (which he was) and I didn't like that. On the other hand, the same episode decided to approach his training in a rather goofy way that I didn't particularly enjoy. I feel that his training should have warranted at least another episode.

Toph took some getting used to but she kinda grew on me. She's very straightforward about her thoughts and more often that not she's the one that points out to the group what they fail to see, ironically enough. The most recent example in my mind is when she scolds Team Avatar on how quick they were to dismiss Zuko's offer to teach Aang fire bending. I was skeptical at first that she seemed to be such a powerful earth-bender with practically zero training, similar to Katara with water bending (I mean, are all kids born masters?), but her blindness sold me on how she had used her bending to see the world and how that gave her an edge nobody else had. All in all, she's an adorable force of nature, even when she punches people. After all, it's her way of showing affection.

Katara is, well, Katara. Her life's goal seemed to train under a master water-bender and by the end of book one she does so. In fact, she becomes a master water-bender herself quite fast (perhaps a tad too fast). "The Waterbending Scroll" is an interesting episode in that she has to deal with her feelings of jealousy at seeing Aang replicating her efforts with ease. It also deals with the subject of exactly how far she's willing to go to master water bending, although by the end of the episode I'm not entirely sure she's learnt any lesson. Because that's how most (if not all) of ATLA's episodes work, with our characters learning a lesson at the end of the episode. Another episode worth mentioning is "The Southern Raiders," where she and Zuko team up to hunt down her mother's killer and in doing so she learns to forgive, though perhaps not the person we'd expect. I was disappointed that we didn't have a sequel to "The Puppetmaster," with Katara exploring her feelings about being able to blood-bend. Surely the rest of the group would be afraid at first? No? Okay. Like I said, Katara's character development appears weak, but maybe I wasn't paying attention.

Aang. He runs pretty fast? Seriously, I'm not sure what I can say about him. His character doesn't seem to grow that much, every time he's faced with a conflict an answer is provided in the form of this avatar or that spirit or that turtle. He learns to deal with his feelings of loss during the missing-Appa cycle of episodes so that's something. But then we have "The Guru," where he fast-tracks the seven chakras, refuses to let go of attachment same as Anakin, and has a vision of Katara being captured after Luke. As a result, he gets killed in the Avatar State, what should effectively put an end to the reincarnation cycle but clearly doesn't (Korra). Then throughout book three he manages to activate the (previously blocked forever?) Avatar State every time his back bumps into a rock. Unless I missed something, he never learned to let go of attachments so how exactly did he unlock the Thought Chakra? Seems like I want to talk about the finale so let's go.

It was fairly disappointing on many levels, I'm not going to lie. One of the reasons is that Zuko and Aang's "friendship" was fast-tracked way too fast, as was Zuko's integration into Team Avatar. There's also the issue that if the first fire-benders drew their power from the energy of the sun, I'm not sure how the newer version of angry fire-benders can draw even more power from a lousy comet. Also, I'm not much of an astronomy buff, but for how long can you see a comet on the same patch of sky without the aid of telescopes? Does a fire-bender need to see it in order to use its power? Is its power tied to proximity? I don't want to nitpick but it is kind of a crucial plot point of the series. I was also a bit disappointed with the Katara-Azula showdown. Considering Katara is a pretty adept water-bender I would have expected a more spectacular confrontation than having her run and hide most of the time.

But perhaps the weakest point has to do with Aang. Throughout the series he was so caught up with learning to master the elements to defeat the Fire Lord that he never considered he might have to kill him. Aang refuses to do so and asks the previous Avatars for advice. It was pretty useless. Fast forward, he enters the Avatar State accidentally, beats the crap out of the Fire Lord, and still refuses to kill him. Then, by divine inspiration, he decides to take away his firebending ability. Only that it wasn't divine inspiration, see, there was this turtle that appeared earlier and apparently shared with him something called energybending or deus ex machina. Was this even hinted at in any episode throughout the series? Not to my knowledge. I was expecting some revelation that would tie together Aang's journey, instead I watched how he pulled a rabbit out of a hat. "Hey, but Korra does it too!" Yes, the difference being that Korra had a single season of twelve episodes while ATLA had three seasons and sixty-one episodes to explore this. I think perhaps Iroh taught us a whole lot more about energybending in "Bitter Work" than Aang learned in the entire series.

What else? The explanations behind metal bending and blood bending confirm my earlier suspicions. After all, there's water in our bodies and metals are part of the earth itself. I'm not entirely sold on lightning generation, at least not on how it can be classified as a firebending specialization.

Ah, I could keep writing/talking for ages. In conclusion, it was a highly enjoyable series that could have benefited from another season before facing the dreaded Fire Lord or perhaps a longer third season.

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OdanUrr wrote...

But perhaps the weakest point has to do with Aang. Throughout the series he was so caught up with learning to master the elements to defeat the Fire Lord that he never considered he might have to kill him. Aang refuses to do so and asks the previous Avatars for advice. It was pretty useless. Fast forward, he enters the Avatar State accidentally, beats the crap out of the Fire Lord, and still refuses to kill him. Then, by divine inspiration, he decides to take away his firebending ability. Only that it wasn't divine inspiration, see, there was this turtle that appeared earlier and apparently shared with him something called energybending or deus ex machina. Was this even hinted at in any episode throughout the series? Not to my knowledge. I was expecting some revelation that would tie together Aang's journey, instead I watched how he pulled a rabbit out of a hat. "Hey, but Korra does it too!" Yes, the difference being that Korra had a single season of twelve episodes while ATLA had three seasons and sixty-one episodes to explore this. I think perhaps Iroh taught us a whole lot more about energybending in "Bitter Work" than Aang learned in the entire series.


Rewatching the original series now (halfway through Book 2), the only thing I can see which remotely can be considered foreshadowing is a picture of the Lion Turtle in a book Aang finds in "the Library" episode. Still, that's a pretty huge stretch.

Also agreed on the issue of how Aang never considereds the possibility of killing the Fire Lord until the end of the series. Another problem I had was that the first episode of Book 2: Earth pretty much hammers the point that Aang should not rely on the Avatar state to make up for the fact that he has to master the four elements, yet the Avatar State is precisely how Aang goes about defeating Ozai. It sort of trivializes all of the previous conflicts/training Aang went through just to get to this moment, since he defeated the Fire Lord entirely with skills he'd always had (the Avatar State) or ass pulls (Energy Bending).

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I disagree Divo, after Aang was about to hit Ozai with the "final blow", he snaps out of it and then he doesn't even rely on the Avatar State. From my perspective, that scene where he regains the ability is to show the potential of what a true realized Avatar is capable of and Aang finally being able to control it, which is important.

Also, I like the whole Energy Bending aspect, that idea of a whole Era even before the Avatar was pretty interesting for me and what it represents to "bending". I understand viewing it as as a deus ex, but I view it differently, as you stated with that stretch of foreshadowing from that picture of the Lion Turtle and if you notice, there is a human figure there I believe as well, was that the first Avatar? Who knows, haha.